Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

Who?

Oh I think you know.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/debt-defaulter-reilly-to-face-dail-in-10pm-showdown-3165842.html

dvpower wrote: »

Sinn Fein aren't going to be in power after the next election to abolish anything - that's just a wet dream that Ghandee has from time to time.

Roll on next elections.

Cesium Clock

dvpower wrote: »

because they are evading their taxes, causing cuts being made in their neighbours services.

You still have not explained this tax thing ,

Cuts were being made before the household CHARGE, who do you blame for that?

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you don't register and pay you cannot sell your house. That is just one of the consequences that these people won't be able to help you avoid if you let them persuade you to break the law.

Lol.

Can't sell your house in a market that has completely and utterly collapsed?
No mortgages being given, negative equity, and besides, a lot of rural dwellers never sell their homes.
Most will die in the houses they built, with no help nor handout from the government.

Pretty lame reason to attempt to coerce folk into registering there.

Le_Dieux

Ghandee wrote: »

Roll on next elections.

Ghandee, in general I completely support what You say, and at the same time dvpower, I totally disagree with what You say.

However on the SF issue, I am totally in agreement with dvpower. IMHO, if SF were put into power, heavens above help us!

dxhound2005

Ghandee wrote: »

Lol.

Can't sell your house in a market that has completely and utterly collapsed?
No mortgages being given, negative equity, and besides, a lot of rural dwellers never sell their homes.
Most will die in the houses they built, with no help nor handout from the government.

Pretty lame reason to attempt to coerce folk into registering there.

When a person dies and they have willed their house to someone then the transfer of title cannot go ahead until all charges have been paid.

And are you saying that nobody will ever sell a house in this country again?

dvpower

Cesium Clock wrote: »

You still have not explained this tax thing ,

Cuts were being made before the household CHARGE, who do you blame for that?

Are you a visitor to the planet? Did you not notice the massive economic crash?

Cesium Clock

dvpower wrote: »

Are you a visitor to the planet? Did you not notice the massive economic crash?

That explains my questions fully, thanks

dvpower

Cesium Clock wrote: »

That explains my questions fully, thanks

Glad I could help

Cesium Clock

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When a person dies and they have willed their house to someone then the transfer of title cannot go ahead until all charges have been paid.

And are you saying that nobody will ever sell a house in this country again?

The way it's going you might not want to be burdened with your deceased relatives 'asset',

lugha

Ghandee wrote: »

You'll get no fines, you'll get no jail, this tax still be abolished pretty soon.

Obviously you have to bat for your team and assert such things. But in truth the game is still very much in play. IMO, much will hinge on what legal actions the LGMA take come October.

If they do it right, it will likely be a fatal blow to the no side and I expect droves will flock to pay in the aftermath of a successful prosecution. But they could possibly mess up and the battle will go on.

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When a person dies and they have willed their house to someone then the transfer of title cannot go ahead until all charges have been paid.

And are you saying that nobody will ever sell a house in this country again?

I'm saying that your reason to pay it, based on not getting able to sell it is wholly stupid given the current conditions of todays housing market.

You still don't realise that all or any of these conditions are only enforceable of this tax sees the light of day.

If the non compliance of the hhc for this year (when it is only €100) rises a lot more next year (when the fee rises) this tax will be aborted.

Everyone reading these threads needs to be aware that their refusal to help the govt and the aristocrats in Europe by serif registering to be raped in the future its the only way it will be abolished.

They need to understand that the reason they've not seen one of these much talked about reminder letters yet, is that the govt don't know who to send these to.

No prison will be given for non payment (govt themselves say this)

Don't register, let the elite at the top fix their own mess, that they alone created.

Cesium Clock

dvpower wrote: »

Glad I could help

No prob, you just got abusive if you don't want to explain how the HHC is a tax, so be it,
And the economic crash whilst I was away on mars is still the cause of the cuts, not the non payers,

I save you from the silly smilies,

Cesium Clock

lugha wrote: »

Obviously you have to bat for your team and assert such things. But in truth the game is still very much in play. IMO, much will hinge on what legal actions the LGMA take come October.

If they do it right, it will likely be a fatal blow to the no side and I expect droves will flock to pay in the aftermath of a successful prosecution. But they could possibly mess up and the battle will go on.

They will have to think of a new charge / tax to pay for the building of jails for the 900,000

And pay for more corrupt judges, barristers, courts, etc,

lugha

Ghandee wrote: »

let the elite at the top fix their own mess, that they alone created.

Oh goody! You have thought of a few more fat cats you can hit to bridge our €15,000 million deficit. I believe you were all the up to, er €30 million! :pac:

dxhound2005

Ghandee wrote: »

I'm saying that your reason to pay it, based on not getting able to sell it is wholly stupid given the current conditions of todays housing market.

You still don't realise that all or any of these conditions are only enforceable of this tax sees the light of day.

If the non compliance of the hhc for this year (when it is only €100) rises a lot more next year (when the fee rises) this tax will be aborted.

Everyone reading these threads needs to be aware that their refusal to help the govt and the aristocrats in Europe by serif registering to be raped in the future its the only way it will be abolished.

They need to understand that the reason they've not seen one of these much talked about reminder letters yet, is that the govt don't know who to send these to.

No prison will be given for non payment (govt themselves say this)

Don't register, let the elite at the top fix their own mess, that they alone created.

Remember if you own a house it is you who will be held responsible if you take up the advice from these people to break the law. They say that they have a legal team to help you but this is just fairytale stuff. Most likely all that will happen is that a group of them will turn up at the court to try to disrupt the administration of justice.

lugha

Cesium Clock wrote: »

They will have to think of a new charge / tax to pay for the building of jails for the 900,000

And pay for more corrupt judges, barristers, courts, etc,

If a prosecution is successful, and more in the media realm than in the legal one, then the numbers of non-payers will plummet. But there is an if in there granted.

Oh! And corrupt judges? Did I miss a major news story?

darkhorse

dxhound2005 wrote: »

darkhorse wrote: »

My question was prompted by a statement that there are "750,000 people on the verge of poverty in Ireland". What does it mean in that context?

Look, there is lots of links. Just google "poverty in ireland" and read the one that you are more comfortable with.

dvpower

Cesium Clock wrote: »

No prob, you just got abusive if you don't want to explain how the HHC is a tax, so be it,

Just read the thread - its been done to death.
Where was I abusive?

Cesium Clock wrote: »

And the economic crash whilst I was away on mars is still the cause of the cuts, not the non payers,

I didn't say it was tax evaders that caused the economic crash

Cesium Clock

dvpower wrote: »

Just read the thread - its been done to death.
Where was I abusive?



I didn't say it was tax evaders that caused the economic crash

No, you said the non payers of the charge were the cause of the cuts,

Then you said it was the economic crash was the cause of the cuts,

No one mentioned tax evaders,

dvpower

lugha wrote: »

If a prosecution is successful, and more in the media realm than in the legal one, then the numbers of non-payers will plummet. But there is an if in there granted.

Added to that the fact that they are initially targetting second home owners for enforcement, its unlikely that the CAHWT is going to organise their promised mass protests ("Socialists stand by landlords" headlines).

I think we're going to get high compliance figures when the enforcement starts.

dvpower

Cesium Clock wrote: »

No, you said the non payers of the charge were the cause of the cuts,

Then you said it was the economic crash was the cause of the cuts,

Little from Column A
Little from Column B

That's no so difficult to understand, is it?

Cesium Clock

dvpower wrote: »

Little from Column A
Little from Column B

That's no so difficult to understand, is it?

All from column A
None from column B

Simples

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

Little from Column A
Little from Column B

That's no so difficult to understand, is it?

When a govt continuously robs Peter to pay Paul, govt can always rely on 'Paul's' support at all times.:cool:

dvpower

Cesium Clock wrote: »

All from column A
None from column B

Simples

Yep

Cesium Clock

If there was no crash that was caused by the greedy and inept, there would be no HHC,

There fore all cuts to council budgets are due to the crash caused by the greedy over valueing their assets,

dvpower

Cesium Clock wrote: »

If there was no crash that was caused by the greedy and inept, there would be no HHC,

There fore all cuts to council budgets are due to the crash caused by the greedy over valueing their assets,

That is a very simplistic analysis - our over dependance on transaction based property taxes was never going to be sustainable.

Cesium Clock

dvpower wrote: »

That is a very simplistic analysis - our over dependance on transaction based property taxes was never going to be sustainable.

I'm off to drink 50% of my HHC money now , goodnight,

dvpower

Cesium Clock wrote: »

I'm off to drink 50% of my HHC money now , goodnight,

I suppose the state can be thankful for the excise duty and VAT.

Cesium Clock

dvpower wrote: »

I suppose the state can be thankful for the excise duty and VAT.

I claimed that back via an uninsured public patient nephrectomy 3 years ago, :rolleyes:

Le_Dieux

dvpower wrote: »

Added to that the fact that they are initially targetting second home owners for enforcement, its unlikely that the CAHWT is going to organise their promised mass protests ("Socialists stand by landlords" headlines).

I think we're going to get high compliance figures when the enforcement starts.

Where is the proof of which category 'they' are going after first?

We had a clean-up today in our estate, & I & many others spent 3 hours deweeding the kerbs...something our local CC should be doing. Our estate is 5 years old, and KCC have NEVER sprayed, cleaned or deweeded our estate. Each house pays to have it's refuse removed, pays to have the grass cut, which the CC have NEVER done, we have a derelict building site in our estate where 50 houses should be built, but the fu**ing developer has gone bust and the CC made an 'OVERSIGHT' in not granting our estate 'ghost status'. And we are expected to pay this HHC?

I'm NOT paying it, they can come and lock me up and throw the keys away. As the dear ould Rev Ian used to say...NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!