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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*
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Izzy Skint wrote: »give up lugha, you are getting slaughtered....
Ha ha. Don’t worry Izzy if the discussion is completely over your head, I assure you that you are not the alone in the “won’t pay” camp in this respect.Izzy Skint wrote: »should the govt. stop all donations to third world contries ?....possibly €500m -€700m a year....that's the property tax for next year....would it be "immoral" to do this ?....
First let me congratulate you on your consistency, not an especially common trait on the “won’t pay” side. Cutting this funding is certainly in keeping with your “F*ck everyone but Izzy” philosophy!
Not only are you willing to cut loose former private workers, now redundant, with a 50% cut in welfare, but you are now contemplating hitting people who are immeasurably worse off than us (and we can quickly forget that we are, for now (!), still better off that many places)
So once again the Izzy manifesto is: those better of that Izzy (public sector workers) take a hit, those worse off than Izzy (redundant workers and now, the most impoverished people on earth) take a hit, but Izzy, well Izzy ain’t takin’ no hittin’! But as I say, you are at least consistent.
As to whether this is moral or not? I’m not sure if I would describe the cutting of this aid as necessary immoral, though I would certainly cut plenty of other public spending before cutting this. But if it comes to it, we may well have to cut it.
And strategically, it may not be a bad plan to continue in the role of generous benefactor for a little while longer. In 10-15 years, with the way things are going, we might ourselves be hoping that a few rich countries push a few charitable bob our way.
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Ha ha. Don’t worry Izzy if the discussion is completely over your head, I assure you that you are not the alone in the “won’t pay” camp in this respect.
First let me congratulate you on your consistency, not an especially common trait on the “won’t pay” side. Cutting this funding is certainly in keeping with your “F*ck everyone but Izzy” philosophy!
Not only are you willing to cut loose former private workers, now redundant, with a 50% cut in welfare, but you are now contemplating hitting people who are immeasurably worse off than us (and we can quickly forget that we are, for now (!), still better off that many places)
So once again the Izzy manifesto is: those better of that Izzy (public sector workers) take a hit, those worse off than Izzy (redundant workers and now, the most impoverished people on earth) take a hit, but Izzy, well Izzy ain’t takin’ no hittin’! But as I say, you are at least consistent.
As to whether this is moral or not? I’m not sure if I would describe the cutting of this aid as necessary immoral, though I would certainly cut plenty of other public spending before cutting this. But if it comes to it, we may well have to cut it.
And strategically, it may not be a bad plan to continue in the role of generous benefactor for a little while longer. In 10-15 years, with the way things are going, we might ourselves be hoping that a few rich countries push a few charitable bob our way.
Lugha, what the hell are you on about "discussion way over my head " ?....I know exactly what I am talking about, my way would save this country, your way is going to give us a slow painful death....it is economic lunacy. It is the pro taxers who conveniently avoid answering uncomfortable questions....afraid of the truth are ye guys?...it's not nice out there in the real world is it?...people emmigrating, loosing their jobs, their homes, their dignity, depression etc.....and all for what?...to support the most wasteful, overpaid system on the planet? to keep european gamblers happy? to save the banks ?....time you guys woke up!!
Please show me where I said “F*ck everyone but Izzy”....I have taken a big hit in take home pay, I am not the problem, the problem and solution lies with you guys and excessive govt. spending, every other household in the country has had to adjust its spending in these recessionary times, why should the state not do the same?....they need to do it to a much greater degree and do it fast....but most importantly, they need to do it BEFORE they start screwing the people, they need to lead by example. Don't worry though, no need for ye to panic, these cuts will never happen to the degree I want them to....so apologies if I appear a bit p!ssed off with the govt. and apologies if I feel I have been screwed enough by them.
Let's sort this out for you once and for all......go back and read my posts properly.....now, can you show me where I said we should have a "50% cut in welfare" or that we should cut foreign aid ?....I mentioned these "options" to get your opinion on whether you considered those options to be unjust / immoral.....do you understand now?.....or is it "way over your head" ?:D.....many people on this thread stated they considered a property tax to be unjust and immoral, you replied that in the present economic situation we don't have a choice and may need to implement unjust / immoral policies...so every option is on the table?...how do we pick and choose what is unjust / immoral? who decides?.
"Izzy manifesto"...?.....is there a "Lugha manifesto" ?....one that states we should ALL take more pain to protect a priviledged, over paid, wasteful, inefficient group of workers from the worst effects of the recession, eventhough it is with them that the greatest spending cuts can be achieved?
"Izzy ain’t takin’ no hittin’!"....well Izzy ain't got a guaranteed job, Izzy ain't got a guaranteed pension, Izzy is paid less than the average ps wage, Izzy ain't costing the state anything, Izzy supports his own family, izzy got a mortgage, Izzy would be better off on the dole .....see my point ?....by trying to introduce this property tax, the govt. have actually given the public a voice......and I am shouting NO MORE !!.
Finally, good to see that you at least accept that we will still be f*cked in 10-15 years time, the way the govt. are going, you could double that time.0 -
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I think you rather missed the point there. But never mind, I'm beginning to get used to it?That, right there, just about sums it up in a nutshell.
No need for any debate about why or how, this latest tax is solely about getting the people to pay back the troika the money we borrowed to fund the excesses in the PS and the banking system.
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I think you rather missed the point there. But never mind, I'm beginning to get used to it?
You should be.
You've not made much of a point in any of your post this last day or two.
Moral arguments/economic arguments. Both arguments made, dismissed because they didn't suit you (not because they were wrong).
Head firmly buried in the sand.0
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