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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #7292
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,760 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    No idea who you are talking about but my guess is Fine Gael? You're obsessed with them, it's very unhealthy.

    Yes F.G. are very unhealthy.


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    #7293
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    No idea who you are talking about but my guess is Fine Gael? You're obsessed with them, it's very unhealthy.

    Have you seen Reilly recently? Now that's an unhealthy look.
    What is it with our ministers for health never looking the picture of it?

    Maybe he's stressed out with the defaulter naming?

    As for Enda, he doesn't look well at all. Prob worried sick about the rebel party members he's surrounded himself with.

    Tax dodgers, vat dodgers, service charge dodgers, debt dodgers, flower pot dodgers etc, etc etc..


    New govt after Christmas, this one is about finished.


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    #7294
    lugha
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    Ghandee wrote: »
    New govt after Christmas, this one is about finished.
    Might not be a bad idea if that happened. It might put paid to this silly notion that if we change the government our problems will be diminished. Not one iota.

    We probably will change governments maybe a dozen times before this crisis is over but alas, and sorry to disappoint, but none of them will have a magical solution.


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    #7295
    ncdadam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 598 ✭✭✭ncdadam


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Really I'm a strong supporter am I? I don't think so as I have said all along I would rather not have to pay it so I don't see how that means I support it.

    Well reading through the thread I can see that you've paid the HHC so one would presume you support it otherwise you wouldn't have paid it.

    Don't answer the questions then I'll aim them at some of the property tax supporters.


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    #7296
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Ghandee wrote: »

    New govt after Christmas, this one is about finished.



    But the next one will definitely have the answers. Fine Gael are around to stay, it just depends on who'll be their coalition partner.


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    #7297
    ncdadam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 598 ✭✭✭ncdadam


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Have you seen Reilly recently? Now that's an unhealthy look.
    What is it with our ministers for health never looking the picture of it?

    Maybe he's stressed out with the defaulter naming?

    As for Enda, he doesn't look well at all. Prob worried sick about the rebel party members he's surrounded himself with.

    Tax dodgers, vat dodgers, service charge dodgers, debt dodgers, flower pot dodgers etc, etc etc..


    New govt after Christmas, this one is about finished.

    We don't have a 'government'.
    We have a gang of overpaid civil servants implementing the decisions of the troika and the Germans.
    Our budget details this year will be seen by the bundestag before it'll be seen by the muppets in Leinster house!


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    #7298
    ncdadam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 598 ✭✭✭ncdadam


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    But the next one will definitely have the answers. Fine Gael are around to stay, it just depends on who'll be their coalition partner.

    FF used to think that!


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    #7299
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    ncdadam wrote: »
    FF used to think that!



    Pretty sure they didn't running up to the last election though.


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    #7300
    ncdadam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 598 ✭✭✭ncdadam


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Pretty sure they didn't running up to the last election though.

    And FG should remember that!;)


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    #7301
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    But the next one will definitely have the answers. Fine Gael are around to stay, it just depends on who'll be their coalition partner.

    You hold that thought and come back to me with it post budget good sir.

    There will be anger on our streets like never before, and I predict FG to be resigned to the political scrap heap soon afterwards.

    We seen how FF slid into obscurity the last election time, now that FG are implementing every cut suggested by the troika (with little to no resistance) the public rightly or wrongly will look for a scape goat once enough are suffering.

    FG (at the reigns) will be that scapegoat.

    Somethings got to give chucky, i think in this case it will be FG.


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    #7302
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Ghandee wrote: »
    You hold that thought and come back to me with it post budget good sir.

    There will be anger on our streets like never before, and I predict FG to be resigned to the political scrap heap soon afterwards.

    We seen how FF slid into obscurity the last election time, now that FG are implementing every cut suggested by the troika (with little to no resistance) the public rightly or wrongly will look for a scape goat once enough are suffering.

    FG (at the reigns) will be that scapegoat.

    Somethings got to give chucky, i think in this case it will be FG.


    And where will the vote go?

    Taoiseach Clare Daly and Tanaiste Mick Wallace I suppose?


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    #7303
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Ghandee wrote: »
    You hold that thought and come back to me with it post budget good sir.

    There will be anger on our streets like never before, and I predict FG to be resigned to the political scrap heap soon afterwards.

    We seen how FF slid into obscurity the last election time, now that FG are implementing every cut suggested by the troika (with little to no resistance) the public rightly or wrongly will look for a scape goat once enough are suffering.

    FG (at the reigns) will be that scapegoat.

    Somethings got to give chucky, i think in this case it will be FG.


    I heard this same BS about how the Fine Gael would fall due to the backlash over the Household charge. :pac:


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    #7304
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    And where will the vote go?

    Taoiseach Clare Daly and Tanaiste Mick Wallace I suppose?


    They'd get my vote ^ :pac:


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    #7305
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    I heard this same BS about how the Fine Gael would fall due to the backlash over the Household charge. :pac:

    Did they succeed in implementing it btw?

    They've admitted themselves it was a failure. :rolleyes:


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    #7306
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Did they succeed in implementing it btw?

    They've admitted themselves it was a failure. :rolleyes:



    So the Government fell then did it? Oh must have missed the election. Strange how Fine Gael and Labour still managed to get re-elected. :pac:


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    #7307
    Bishop_Donal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Bishop_Donal


    Ghandee wrote: »
    They'd get my vote ^ :pac:

    And I'll stop paying my income tax (on point of principle of course).


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    #7308
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Bishop_Donal wrote: »
    And I'll stop paying my income tax (on point of principle of course).

    Donal, if either two of them got into power I'd up sticks myself.
    Believe me.


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    #7309
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,760 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    But the next one will definitely have the answers. Fine Gael are around to stay, it just depends on who'll be their coalition partner.

    Not a chance. They were elected on a platform of lies and on an anti F.F. wave of anger.
    F.G. are the same as F.F. i.e. exactly the same policies and the people have realised that. Unfortunately we have a poor choice as it's either F.F. or F.F. Mk 2.


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    #7310
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,962 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Not a chance. They were elected on a platform of lies and on an anti F.F. wave of anger.
    F.G. are the same as F.F. i.e. exactly the same policies and the people have realised that. Unfortunately we have a poor choice as it's either F.F. or F.F. Mk 2.

    In that case "the people" should be easily persuaded to vote for anti property tax parties and you will get your wish for a "rent" free future in your own house. Surely the choice does not lie only between FG and FF. Since CAHWT have been so sucessful how about the various ULA elements stand under a united CAHWT banner and Sinn Fein could enter into a transfer pact with them. This would surely sweep away FG and Labour and put people in government who will take a new approach. The fools, idiots, imbeciles etc as they are described here will be gone and happy days will lie ahead under our new dear leaders.


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    #7311
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,760 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    In that case "the people" should be easily persuaded to vote for anti property tax parties and you will get your wish for a "rent" free future in your own house. Surely the choice does not lie only between FG and FF. Since CAHWT have been so sucessful how about the various ULA elements stand under a united CAHWT banner and Sinn Fein could enter into a transfer pact with them. This would surely sweep away FG and Labour and put people in government who will take a new approach. The fools, idiots, imbeciles etc as they are described here will be gone and happy days will lie ahead under our new dear leaders.

    We could have achieved as much if only FG had the balls to keep their promises and also to stand up for the people of Ireland by agreeing a better deal for their people with the Europeans.
    They are "killing" the working people on behalf of the IMF. All these taxes and cuts are too much in too short a period. They should have the guts to stand up to these people.
    Also I do not follow CAWTH or anyone else. I make my own decisions.


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    #7312
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    ncdadam wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Really I'm a strong supporter am I? I don't think so as I have said all along I would rather not have to pay it so I don't see how that means I support it.

    Well reading through the thread I can see that you've paid the HHC so one would presume you support it otherwise you wouldn't have paid it.

    Don't answer the questions then I'll aim them at some of the property tax supporters.

    You quite clearly haven't read through the thread if you believe that then. Just because I paid it doesn't mean I wanted to. I wanted to pay 100 and avoid the late fees figured it'd be better not to waste more money than I had to.


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    #7313
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    could anybody post a link to an official IMF / troika statement detailing their desire for a 0.5% property tax....thanks


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    #7314
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    could anybody post a link to an official IMF / troika statement detailing their desire for a 0.5% property tax....thanks

    http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2012/cr12264.pdf
    The planned introduction of a value-based property tax in 2013 will provide a progressive and stable source of revenue. A suitably high level for this tax—where staff favored around the 0.5 percent mark—would help maximize these benefits


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    #7315
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    is that 0.5% of land value or the easily manipulated property value?


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    #7316
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    the groutch wrote: »
    is that 0.5% of land value or the easily manipulated property value?
    They don't specify.


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    #7317
    ncdadam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 598 ✭✭✭ncdadam


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    could anybody post a link to an official IMF / troika statement detailing their desire for a 0.5% property tax....thanks

    The 0.5% is a recommendation by the IMF alone, it is not a troika instruction for our 'government', yet!
    The 'government' will go in as low as their allowed by the troika and then increase it to the IMF's rate over a couple of years.

    Give it 2 or 3 years and the property tax will be around the €2,000 mark.


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    #7318
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Good to see the clueless still knocking around here. I can only hope the IMF ideas are implemented, unlikely unfortunately.

    You are entitled to your opinion Chucky, so am I:

    I hope You are 100% wrong. Oh, and why stoop so low as to start name calling?

    Sigh............................................


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    #7319
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    ncdadam wrote: »
    The 0.5% is a recommendation by the IMF alone, it is not a troika instruction for our 'government', yet!
    The 'government' will go in as low as their allowed by the troika and then increase it to the IMF's rate over a couple of years.

    Give it 2 or 3 years and the property tax will be around the €2,000 mark.

    They may try that NC, but at that stage, I'll either be homeless, or left Ireland. Personally, I am at the end of my thether...I can take NO MORE!!


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    #7320
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Hopefully it won't see the light of day regardless, but anyway, the IMF are trying to pressurise the govt for DOUBLE the suggested percentage of house value.



    http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/news/imf-wants-property-tax-twice-as-high-as-government/


    They won't be happy until were in rags, scrounging for scraps of food on the street.

    All to pay back a bail out the ordinary people didn't ask for, nor create the problem that meant we needed one to begin with.


    Funny thing, just as you mention that they won't be happy til we are in rags
    no, sorry, I will try not to talk about my problems. Anyway, some years ago, I was watching a documentary about people looking for food in skips around the outside of supermarkets. It was in britain somewhere and it was on panorama. It was'nt so much that they were very poor, although it may have been a factor. Anyway, I remember saying to her indoors, would'nt it be a terrible way to live. Things are not looking great, all the same.:eek:


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    #7321
    darkhorse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭darkhorse


    Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »
    No. The loans are secured on assets that would have originally been owned by Anglo. They are of course now owned by the state, indirectly, via IBRC.

    When these bonds were sold, they were covered by something owned by Anglo, most likely a portion of their commercial loan book. When the bond is due for repayment, you either pay the amount due or else default and surrender that part of your loan book the bond was secured on.

    So, why not surrender that part of the loan book/asset, that the bond was secured on, instead of draining the money from the very people trying to keep the economy afloat, us the consumer.


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