Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

syngindub

Has anyone got a letter about this yet?

donalg1

Ghost Buster wrote: »

How about you accept the fact that the money is being mis spent by and on those who are responsible for its use.
Any chance?

By mispent do you mean renovating someones house who has been in a car accident and is now in a wheelchair and needs ramps and level access showers and stair lifts put in their house?

mikom

donalg1 wrote: »

By mispent do you mean renovating someones house who has been in a car accident and is now in a wheelchair and needs ramps and level access showers and stair lifts put in their house?

The Mayor of cork was in a car accident?

Ghost Buster

donalg1 wrote: »

By mispent do you mean renovating someones house who has been in a car accident and is now in a wheelchair and needs ramps and level access showers and stair lifts put in their house?

Of course not. This happens and could happen much more if councillors werent claiming unvouched expenses, Lord mayors werent claiming €200,000 salaries, counties the size of Longford didnt have 3 or 4 mayors for villages which require offices, wages and expenses, TDs werent claiming salaries many multiples of their counterparts in other countries.
How about you address these issues before telling someone like me with a take home wage of €460 for a 40 hour week that we should give more money to these folk.

Ghost Buster

donalg1 wrote: »

By mispent do you mean renovating someones house who has been in a car accident and is now in a wheelchair and needs ramps and level access showers and stair lifts put in their house?

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Like wise if our leaders were not giving them selves and their fellow politicians and councillors many many multiples of the average wage there would be more money in the pot.
Which option do you advocate more and which should happen first:
(1) Take the money off the less well off and those who cannot afford it.
(2) Take the money off those who are awarding themselves wages higher than the leaders of many countries AND unvouched expenses and perks which come out of our taxes in the first place.

Still hoping you will address this post.

donalg1

mikom wrote: »

The Mayor of cork was in a car accident?

shhhh, theres a good lad.

donalg1

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Of course not. This happens and could happen much more if councillors werent claiming unvouched expenses, Lord mayors werent claiming €200,000 salaries, counties the size of Longford didnt have 3 or 4 mayors for villages which require offices, wages and expenses, TDs werent claiming salaries many multiples of their counterparts in other countries.
How about you address these issues before telling someone like me with a take home wage of €460 for a 40 hour week that we should give more money to these folk.

Why do I need to address these issues as everyone knows its a ridiculous waste of money by these lads.

Fact is though that County Councils funding has been cut as a direct result of the non payment of the HHC.

Ghost Buster

donalg1 wrote: »

shhhh, theres a good lad.

TRolling rather than addressing valid points?
Why is it ok for our public servants to award them selves €200,000 plus salaries and then blame the tax payers for a lack of public money?

PLEASE ANSWER

Ghost Buster

donalg1 wrote: »

Why do I need to address these issues as everyone knows its a ridiculous waste of money by these lads.

Fact is though that County Councils funding has been cut as a direct result of the non payment of the HHC.

And the reason there is wide spread non payment is because of the waste.......:rolleyes:

Hijpo

donalg1 wrote: »

shhhh, theres a good lad.

Wow, if ever there was a stench of Phil Hogan its right there

donalg1

Ghost Buster wrote: »

And the reason there is wide spread non payment is because of the waste.......:rolleyes:

Ha ha are you actually serious, the reason there is widespread non payment is because it was a self registration and because the late fees were so minimal. :rolleyes:

donalg1

Hijpo wrote: »

Wow, if ever there was a stench of Phil Hogan its right there

How do you figure that one, is it because I am telling Mikom to be quiet because he is unable to keep up with the conversation.

Ghost Buster

donalg1 wrote: »

Ha ha are you actually serious, the reason there is widespread non payment is because it was a self registration and because the late fees were so minimal. :rolleyes:

Well there couldnt be willful non payment if it was not self registration but taken directly from the tax payer.........

mikom

donalg1 wrote: »

shhhh, theres a good lad.

donalg1 wrote: »

How do you figure that one, is it because I am telling Mikom to be quiet because he is unable to keep up with the conversation.

Ghost Buster wrote: »

TRolling rather than addressing valid points?
Why is it ok for our public servants to award them selves €200,000 plus salaries and then blame the tax payers for a lack of public money?

PLEASE ANSWER

Keep up donalg1, and answer the questions.

donalg1

mikom wrote: »

Keep up donalg1, and answer the questions.

I believe I did answer that mikom, but thanks for proving my point that you cant keep up. Brilliant!

Ghost Buster

donalg1 wrote: »

I believe I did answer that mikom, but thanks for proving my point that you cant keep up. Brilliant!

No you didnt and you are simply trolling at this point.
So you accept that the money taken in taxes is being mis spent
YET
Think we should just keep giving to the gravy train.
Yes?


Question: Are you ON the gravy train?

mikom

donalg1 wrote: »

I believe I did answer that mikom, but thanks for proving my point that you cant keep up. Brilliant!

You didn't.
You may have confused it with a game of golf you had the other day....

donalg1

mikom wrote: »

You didn't.
You may have confused it with a game of golf you had the other day....

Kinda did though, but keep missing it true to form so well done there.

donalg1

Ghost Buster wrote: »

No you didnt and you are simply trolling at this point.
So you accept that the money taken in taxes is being mis spent
YET
Think we should just keep giving to the gravy train.
Yes?


Question: Are you ON the gravy train?

Yes I did.

You should pay your taxes obviously. This is the law. To not pay them is to break the law. I cant condone breaking the law in any instance.

Hijpo

donalg1 wrote: »

How do you figure that one, is it because I am telling Mikom to be quiet because he is unable to keep up with the conversation.

No its because of the arrogant and condescending attributes of "shhhh, theres a good lad"

It was as if you told a mother to "go and feed the children"

Ghost Buster

donalg1 wrote: »

Yes I did.

You should pay your taxes obviously. This is the law. To not pay them is to break the law. I cant condone breaking the law in any instance.

No. As a mature adult you have a responsibility to take a stand. Simply stating that something is 'the law' is not sufficient if this law is self serving and immoral and ultimately devisive and unfair.
The entire country of Iceland 'broke the law' and look where they have gotten to.

Ghost Buster

Hijpo wrote: »

No its because of the arrogant and condescending attributes of "shhhh, theres a good lad"

It was as if you told a mother to "go and feed the children"

KInda like a politician..you know, the ones who make up 'the law'....

donalg1

mikom wrote: »

Calm down dear

Hijpo wrote: »

No its because of the arrogant and condescending attributes of "shhhh, theres a good lad"

It was as if you told a mother to "go and feed the children"

Arrogant and condescending like the post from mikom above where he says "calm down dear", you mean?

mikom

donalg1 wrote: »

Yes I did.

You should pay your taxes obviously. This is the law. To not pay them is to break the law. I cant condone breaking the law in any instance.

Pretty spineless post.

" I cant condone breaking the law in any instance."

Any instance?

Ghost Buster

mikom wrote: »

Pretty spineless post.

" I cant condone breaking the law in any instance."

Any instance?

Any instance where i do not have any other argument....

donalg1

Ghost Buster wrote: »

No. As a mature adult you have a responsibility to take a stand. Simply stating that something is 'the law' is not sufficient if this law is self serving and immoral and ultimately devisive and unfair.
The entire country of Iceland 'broke the law' and look where they have gotten to.

No as a mature adult I have a responsibility to pay my taxes and look after my home, I dont want to have to pay more than €100 so I pay the HHC before March 31st, I dont want to have a charge registered against my home so I pay the HHC.

Far more mature than saying I am not paying because you cant make me.

Can you answer me this. Do you agree that you are directly responsible for the cut in funding to LA's this year as you didnt pay your HHC?

And do you agree then that you are directly responsible for the fact that somebody somewhere now cant have a ramp built to their house to enable them to come and go as they please without having to rely on someone else to help them out of their chair down the steps and back into the chair?

Because I for one would hold you and everyone else that hasnt paid the HHC accountable for the cut in funding given to LA's. And I would certainly lay the blame at your feet for someone suffering as a result of this cut in funding.

I am sure you and mikom will disagree, as agreeing with me will mean you have to admit you have caused hardship to someone less fortunate than yourselves.

donalg1

mikom wrote: »

Pretty spineless post.

" I cant condone breaking the law in any instance."

Any instance?

So you think abiding by the law is spineless. Are you telling me that if I break the law I am cool and brave and not spineless.

mikom

donalg1 wrote: »

So you think abiding by the law is spineless. Are you telling me that if I break the law I am cool and brave and not spineless.

Rolling over is spineless.
Gobbling up every line of shite that is spun to you about how you will be to blame for an access ramp not being built is spinless.........or is that gullible........... meanwhile Enda breaches the pay cap to give his advisor a raise.

Ghost Buster

donalg1 wrote: »

No as a mature adult I have a responsibility to pay my taxes and look after my home, I dont want to have to pay more than €100 so I pay the HHC before March 31st, I dont want to have a charge registered against my home so I pay the HHC.

Far more mature than saying I am not paying because you cant make me.

Can you answer me this. Do you agree that you are directly responsible for the cut in funding to LA's this year as you didnt pay your HHC?

And do you agree then that you are directly responsible for the fact that somebody somewhere now cant have a ramp built to their house to enable them to come and go as they please without having to rely on someone else to help them out of their chair down the steps and back into the chair?

Because I for one would hold you and everyone else that hasnt paid the HHC accountable for the cut in funding given to LA's. And I would certainly lay the blame at your feet for someone suffering as a result of this cut in funding.

I am sure you and mikom will disagree, as agreeing with me will mean you have to admit you have caused hardship to someone less fortunate than yourselves.

Ok. Heres the deal:
You directly answer the many posts asking you if it is sensible to hand over even more tax to institutions who simply squander the money on their own salaries, expenses and perks and then i will directly address this.
I asked first so if you want a direct answer the ball is in your court.

mikom

Ghost Buster wrote: »

I asked first so if you want a direct answer the ball is in your court.

A golf ball I hope......