Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

donalg1

tayto lover wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Ah well I was asked to provide a link showing that it was reported and that is what I did. Cllr Plunkett in Offaly has said that grants for the disabled could be hit as a result of this which is what ncdadam asked me to show him. Now why a Cllr would be trying to coerce the majority of his constituents into paying is beyond me as this would no doubt affect his chances of being re-elected. Now I am not from Offaly so dont know anything about him so maybe he is not intending to run again.

Maybe it's just my suspicious mind and distrust of politicians in general, wherever that came from !!!

Ah well I agree they are hard to believe at times but some around here were trying to say that it hasn't been reported I was just proving them wrong.

ncdadam

donalg1 wrote: »

Oh right ok sure if thats what you think anyway, dont know how you missed the thousand articles saying that the funding was being cut as a direct result of the poor collection of the HHC. Here are a few for you to start on the rest I will let you find yourself if and when you decide to come out from under your rock.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0723/1224320625507.html

http://www.thescore.ie/household-charge-payments-budget-cuts-local-councils-526290-Jul2012/

http://www.offalyindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2012/07/19/4011426-nonpayment-of-household-charge-sees-15m-slashed-from-council-budget/

So just so you are aware I will continue to directly blame those that havent paid the HHC for the reduction in services in the LA's.

It's yourself that's living under a rock.
Did you actually read all of those articles or just the first paragraph of each?
Do you want to show me something that links the cut in funds from central government for disabled persons grants apart from one FF councillors sabre rattling in offaly? (might have to be cut)
Your problem is that you can't.
You have stated that disabled persons grants have been cut, directly because people didn't pay the HHC, I just want you to show me some proof.
You can continue blaming those that don't pay the HHC all you like, I'll blame the bloated salaries of county managers, councillors and the so called 'elite' in the LA's not to mention the wastage that goes on in every PS department in the country.
There is no doubt that funding to councils have been cut but even if everyone paid the HHC the funding would still be cut.
The level of services and grants have been steadily reduced since 2007 when the levies the LA's charged developers dried up, not just since March 31st of this year.
They kept spending though, on their vanity projects and massive salaries at the top after that.

Am Chile

lugha wrote: »

You asked this before and it was answered before. There is a case to be made to disobeying a law that infringes on your human rights; allow it for anything else and you are in to very murky waters.

Where would you draw the line? Can anybody break any of our tax laws provided they do not agree with them, or genuinely think them unjust?

Because an awful lot of very rich people think it unjust that they pay a lot more tax than the rest of us (and in absolute terms, they do). Would you give them carte blanche to ignore the law?

Question was posed at Donalg1 specifically-I think Donalg1 specifically should be old enough is answer questions posed to him/her-still waiting for Donalg1 specifically answer some questions posed to him/her- here.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80737329&postcount=7461

darkhorse

ncdadam wrote: »

I still haven't seen a source showing that grants for the disabled have been cut as a direct result of people not paying the HHC.
These grants as far as I can see have been reducing since 2007/8 when the economy collapsed.
Also, the grants are funded from central government and administered by the local council.
So to directly blame people who won't pay the HHC is a joke, you may as well blame the guy who won't pay his road tax or TV license etc.

Can I just add that, if the govt., or county councils for that matter, are worried in the least about the disabled, how come a disabled person who owns his/her own home, are not on a waiver/exemption for the HHC.

Am Chile

Someone I know (Mark) got the first reminder letter in the post on monday-only two problems with the contents of the letter-first the reminder letter was addressed to the previous owner- Mark bought the house from the previous owner in 2008-not only was it addressed to the wrong person,the previous owner had two properties,second the letter stated money was owed on the second property( second home tax)which to Marks knowledge the previous owner also sold the second property-the contents of the letter was addressed to wrong person,it stated money was owed on the second property, plus you might be liable for the household tax at current address-they still don,t have a clue as to who owns what properties and where.

ncdadam

Am Chile wrote: »

Someone I know (Mark) got the first reminder letter in the post on monday-only two problems with the contents of the letter-first the reminder letter was addressed to the previous owner- Mark bought the house from the previous owner in 2008-not only was it addressed to the wrong person,the previous owner had two properties,second the letter stated money was owed on the second property( second home tax)which to Marks knowledge the previous owner also sold the second property-the contents of the letter was addressed to wrong person,it stated money was owed on the second property, plus you might be liable for the household tax at current address-they still don,t have a clue as to who owns what properties and where.

Maybe a few on here will start 'grassing' to the LA's about who own's what.
The LA's could offer a reward to the grasses, say €100, for every new homeowner who they snare this way.

Am Chile

donalg1 wrote: »

Oh right ok sure if thats what you think anyway, dont know how you missed the thousand articles saying that the funding was being cut as a direct result of the poor collection of the HHC. Here are a few for you to start on the rest I will let you find yourself if and when you decide to come out from under your rock.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0723/1224320625507.html

http://www.thescore.ie/household-charge-payments-budget-cuts-local-councils-526290-Jul2012/

http://www.offalyindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2012/07/19/4011426-nonpayment-of-household-charge-sees-15m-slashed-from-council-budget/

So just so you are aware I will continue to directly blame those that havent paid the HHC for the reduction in services in the LA's.

I will continue to directly blame those that havent paid the HHC for the
reduction in services in the LA's

Unpaid commercial rates plus development fees are more common then what people think-list of stories for people to read over.

A
builder is taking Senator Fidelma Healy Eames to court to seek fees for work on
her home in Oranmore.


Michael
Allen says he's owed thousands in unpaid fees for the job.Senator Healy Eames
plans to challenge the claim when it comes before Galway Circuit Court later
this year.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/19062-galway-senator-defend-unpaid-fees-claim

A
DUNDALK Town Councillor said he was 'disappointed' at a decision not to allow
elected representatives a role on a resolution working group set up to deal with
the outstanding development levies.

http://www.argus.ie/news/give-councillors-a-role-in-collecting-unpaid-development-levies-says-dearey-3170212.html

Galway
City Council is currently involved in court proceedings to recoup a total of
more than €1.3 million in
unpaid building levies from developers – however, a Galway
City Tribune investigation has uncovered time lags
of up to three years before the local authority moved to call in the debts.


And
embarrassingly, the Council could stand to lose out on almost half a million
euro in one particular case because of a simple ‘typo

http://www.galwaynews.ie/14091-%E2%80%98typo%E2%80%99-could-cost-council-%E2%82%AC500000-high-court-case

Councils write off millions in unpaid rates

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/councils-write-off-millions-in-unpaid-rates-3142208.html

CITY COUNCIL OWED 16 MILLION IN UNPAID RATES
May 15, 2012 -

6:25pm



Galway City Council is owed more than sixteen million
euro
in unpaid commercial rates from last year alone.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/25824-city-council-owed-16-million-unpaid-rates

Local authorities are losing hundreds of millions of euro in unpaid rates and

levies from businesses, property developers and householders, according to
local
government auditors

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0630/breaking5.html

Unpaid rates leave Council in €24m mire
December 2, 2011 -

8:15am


Local authority resigned to writing-off millions as businesses shut up shop

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23012-unpaid-rates-leave-council-%E2%82%AC24m-mire

KERRY County Council is owed over €6.1 million in unpaid commercial rates and

water charges according to the authority's annual financial statement
for
2010, which was published this week.

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/council-owed-millions-in-unpaid-rates-2651784.html

Councils write off €17
million as bad
debts

http://westcorktimes.com/home/?p=1391
@ Donalg1 since you have the view-

I will continue to directly blame those that havent paid the HHC for the

reduction in services in the LA's

Do you also have the same view for those not paying commercial rates/development fees do you also think they re directly to blame for the

reduction in services in the LA's ?

Am Chile

Article in the Irish Independent last month some facts for anyone who wants to blame non payment of the household charge for cutbacks.

A
report from the Local Government Auditor has identified a range of problems
surrounding how councils manage their money, including not getting best value on
contracts, spending more than they take in and, in some cases, not knowing what
assets they own.


Around
20 of the State's 34 councils are in the red, with nine highlighted as having
very high "unfavourable balances" -- in effect overdrafts -- of more than
€2m.

Crucially,
the report also says councils are owed almost €700m.


Local
authorities are owed €269m in
unpaid commercial rates, €160m for water and €185m in development levies, but not all are
making provision in their accounts to write-off some of the debt.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/councils-living-on-overdrafts-3195885.html

donalg1

ncdadam wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Oh right ok sure if thats what you think anyway, dont know how you missed the thousand articles saying that the funding was being cut as a direct result of the poor collection of the HHC. Here are a few for you to start on the rest I will let you find yourself if and when you decide to come out from under your rock.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0723/1224320625507.html

http://www.thescore.ie/household-charge-payments-budget-cuts-local-councils-526290-Jul2012/

http://www.offalyindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2012/07/19/4011426-nonpayment-of-household-charge-sees-15m-slashed-from-council-budget/

So just so you are aware I will continue to directly blame those that havent paid the HHC for the reduction in services in the LA's.

It's yourself that's living under a rock.
Did you actually read all of those articles or just the first paragraph of each?
Do you want to show me something that links the cut in funds from central government for disabled persons grants apart from one FF councillors sabre rattling in offaly? (might have to be cut)
Your problem is that you can't.
You have stated that disabled persons grants have been cut, directly because people didn't pay the HHC, I just want you to show me some proof.
You can continue blaming those that don't pay the HHC all you like, I'll blame the bloated salaries of county managers, councillors and the so called 'elite' in the LA's not to mention the wastage that goes on in every PS department in the country.
There is no doubt that funding to councils have been cut but even if everyone paid the HHC the funding would still be cut.
The level of services and grants have been steadily reduced since 2007 when the levies the LA's charged developers dried up, not just since March 31st of this year.
They kept spending though, on their vanity projects and massive salaries at the top after that.

You asked for sources I gave you three of a thousand sources. Wasn't expecting you to admit you are wrong though despite the fact you were presented with proof but sure anyway.

donalg1

Am Chile wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Oh right ok sure if thats what you think anyway, dont know how you missed the thousand articles saying that the funding was being cut as a direct result of the poor collection of the HHC. Here are a few for you to start on the rest I will let you find yourself if and when you decide to come out from under your rock.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0723/1224320625507.html

http://www.thescore.ie/household-charge-payments-budget-cuts-local-councils-526290-Jul2012/

http://www.offalyindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2012/07/19/4011426-nonpayment-of-household-charge-sees-15m-slashed-from-council-budget/

So just so you are aware I will continue to directly blame those that havent paid the HHC for the reduction in services in the LA's.

I will continue to directly blame those that havent paid the HHC for the
reduction in services in the LA's

Unpaid commercial rates plus development fees are more common then what people think-list of stories for people to read over.

A
builder is taking Senator Fidelma Healy Eames to court to seek fees for work on
her home in Oranmore.


Michael
Allen says he's owed thousands in unpaid fees for the job.Senator Healy Eames
plans to challenge the claim when it comes before Galway Circuit Court later
this year.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/19062-galway-senator-defend-unpaid-fees-claim

A
DUNDALK Town Councillor said he was 'disappointed' at a decision not to allow
elected representatives a role on a resolution working group set up to deal with
the outstanding development levies.

http://www.argus.ie/news/give-councillors-a-role-in-collecting-unpaid-development-levies-says-dearey-3170212.html

Galway
City Council is currently involved in court proceedings to recoup a total of
more than €1.3 million in
unpaid building levies from developers – however, a Galway
City Tribune investigation has uncovered time lags
of up to three years before the local authority moved to call in the debts.


And
embarrassingly, the Council could stand to lose out on almost half a million
euro in one particular case because of a simple ‘typo

http://www.galwaynews.ie/14091-%E2%80%98typo%E2%80%99-could-cost-council-%E2%82%AC500000-high-court-case

Councils write off millions in unpaid rates

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/councils-write-off-millions-in-unpaid-rates-3142208.html

CITY COUNCIL OWED 16 MILLION IN UNPAID RATES
May 15, 2012 -

6:25pm



Galway City Council is owed more than sixteen million
euro
in unpaid commercial rates from last year alone.

http://www.galwaynews.ie/25824-city-council-owed-16-million-unpaid-rates

Local authorities are losing hundreds of millions of euro in unpaid rates and

levies from businesses, property developers and householders, according to
local
government auditors

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0630/breaking5.html

Unpaid rates leave Council in €24m mire
December 2, 2011 -

8:15am


Local authority resigned to writing-off millions as businesses shut up shop

http://www.galwaynews.ie/23012-unpaid-rates-leave-council-%E2%82%AC24m-mire

KERRY County Council is owed over €6.1 million in unpaid commercial rates and

water charges according to the authority's annual financial statement
for
2010, which was published this week.

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/council-owed-millions-in-unpaid-rates-2651784.html

Councils write off €17
million as bad
debts

http://westcorktimes.com/home/?p=1391
@ Donalg1 since you have the view-

I will continue to directly blame those that havent paid the HHC for the

reduction in services in the LA's

Do you also have the same view for those not paying commercial rates/development fees do you also think they re directly to blame for the

reduction in services in the LA's ?

Of course but it doesn't change the fact those that haven't paid the hhc art responsible for the cut in funding. Doesn't mean they are solely responsible but responsible none the less as I am sure you can admit.

ncdadam

donalg1 wrote: »

Of course but it doesn't change the fact those that haven't paid the hhc art responsible for the cut in funding. Doesn't mean they are solely responsible but responsible none the less as I am sure you can admit.

Ok donalg1, if it makes you happy, it's our fault that there's been cuts in the disabled persons grants.

Can't be arsed arguing the point!

darkhorse

donalg1 wrote: »

Of course but it doesn't change the fact those that haven't paid the hhc art responsible for the cut in funding. Doesn't mean they are solely responsible but responsible none the less as I am sure you can admit.

I'm sorry, but you are talking bull. Not really your fault, you were brainwashed. As for the above, I know that you are intelligent enough to know that this non-payment is just the excuse that the govt. were hoping for, to be able to put it out there, that the reason there is a cut in funding, was, that so many people did not pay the HHC, cause if it was'nt this, they would come up with another excuse to cut funding to the LAs.
By the way, is/should a disabled person be exempt be exempt the HHC. Don't forget, a lot of you're rhetoric in previous posts tells me that you're answer to this question is important, as you have said on a fair few posts that the non-payers of this charge could determine whether grants for disabled people may be cut or not. I again look forward to your answer.

bgrizzley

they must be kicking themselves that they ringfenced it for LAs, otherwise they could blame the troubles of the whole country on us...:rolleyes:

Ghandee

The bat signal must be broken once again.

I'm looking forward to lugha's opinion on a further defaulter (related to revenue) and a drink driving charge to a FG councillor.

Nothing complicated about this case, surely he'll denounce the man?

Lorgach

What I think is frustrating is the way they keep insisting that the Home Tax is for local services when the dogs in the streets know that it's for paying the Bond Holders.

darkhorse

bgrizzley wrote: »

they must be kicking themselves that they ringfenced it for LAs, otherwise they could blame the troubles of the whole country on us...:rolleyes:

Ya see, bg, I think they suprised themselves when they decided to give their advisors all that extra money, then award all that money in increments. So, some quick thinking was needed. Could'nt have worked better for them. One of the least stupidest of them had the bright idea to just tell joe public

---

the cuts was their fault, because they would not pay their HHC

---

and they ran with that--a great way of accounting for all the money that they gave in rises and increments---because they are worth it.

ncdadam

Lorgach wrote: »

What I think is frustrating is the way they keep insisting that the Home Tax is for local services when the dogs in the streets know that it's for paying the Bond Holders.

Well it's not really, at least that what the PT's will tell you.
You see, some of the money we have in central funds is being diverted to pay bondholders and that leaves a hole in the central funding of the state.
Now a HHC or property tax and any other tax they can come up with is needed to fill that hole.
So technically the HHC / property tax goes to the exchequer and not to bondholders.

Are we clear now?
Clear as mud!

lugha

tayto lover wrote: »

The Govt only remained popular because F.F. are the only alternative at present. To think otherwise is folly in the extreme.

Their popularity is reflected in opinion polls. Are you seriously suggesting that there are people polled that are unhappy with how the government are running the country but would still tell a pollster that they would vote for them? Of course they wouldn’t, don’t be silly.

And there is an alternative. There is a sizable number of TDs, including your pal Mick, who are actively opposed to the HHC / property tax.

Ghandee wrote: »

I'm looking forward to lugha's opinion on a further defaulter (related to revenue) and a drink driving charge to a FG councillor.

Nothing complicated about this case, surely he'll denounce the man?

If you referring to Michael Hegarty, there is little out there about the circumstances of his tax liabilities. But it certainly does appear that, unlike Reilly, there are no consortium complications and he was solely responsible for making sure he was tax compliant, which seemingly he did not do.

So assuming this is indeed the case and he has made a conscious decision to violate our tax laws then I have no hesitation is putting him a couple of rungs above you on the ethical ladder.

And if you can cite any evidence that he is actively and hypocritically criticising other people for violating our tax laws then I would push him further down and put him on the very same level as you.

Happy?

As to the drink driving charge, well he has stepped down from a couple of committees so I would conclude from this that he does not consider that he is justified in breaking the drunk driving laws.

ncdadam wrote: »

You see, some of the money we have in central funds is being diverted to pay bondholders and that leaves a hole in the central funding of the state.
Now a HHC or property tax and any other tax they can come up with is needed to fill that hole.
So technically the HHC / property tax goes to the exchequer and not to bondholders.

Almost right. Most of the money raised is needed to address out gaping deficit. But I can see the appeal of pretending it all goes to evil bondholders. The fault of us spending more money that we raise is ultimately ours. And when we have cursed and damned all the bankers and bondholders and all the baddies we can scare up, we will still have to come back and fix our own problems.

donalg1

ncdadam wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Of course but it doesn't change the fact those that haven't paid the hhc art responsible for the cut in funding. Doesn't mean they are solely responsible but responsible none the less as I am sure you can admit.

Ok donalg1, if it makes you happy, it's our fault that there's been cuts in the disabled persons grants.

[COLOR="Wheat"]Can't be arsed arguing the point![/COLOR]

Can't be arsed cause you're wrong and just won't admit it. But yeah I can't be bothered anymore either my point is proven you're done.

donalg1

darkhorse wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Of course but it doesn't change the fact those that haven't paid the hhc art responsible for the cut in funding. Doesn't mean they are solely responsible but responsible none the less as I am sure you can admit.

I'm sorry, but you are talking bull. Not really your fault, you were brainwashed. As for the above, I know that you are intelligent enough to know that this non-payment is just the excuse that the govt. were hoping for, to be able to put it out there, that the reason there is a cut in funding, was, that so many people did not pay the HHC, cause if it was'nt this, they would come up with another excuse to cut funding to the LAs.
By the way, is/should a disabled person be exempt be exempt the HHC. Don't forget, a lot of you're rhetoric in previous posts tells me that you're answer to this question is important, as you have said on a fair few posts that the non-payers of this charge could determine whether grants for disabled people may be cut or not. I again look forward to your answer.

I was asked to show some evidence that the LA'S budgets are being cut as a result of non payment of the hhc which I did. As for a disabled person being exempt I don't think so as this would be discriminatory maybe if it was means tested or something for exemptions. But I believe the exemptions should be kept to a minimum as to ensure fairness.

ncdadam

donalg1 wrote: »

Can't be arsed cause you're wrong and just won't admit it. But yeah I can't be bothered anymore either my point is proven you're done.

Donalg1, dear donalg1, I've said it's all our fault so what more do you want.
You are right and I, and anyone else with a different point of view than yours is wrong.
You sleep tight now, safe in the knowledge that you've done your bit and the rest of us are bad people.

donalg1

ncdadam wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Can't be arsed cause you're wrong and just won't admit it. But yeah I can't be bothered anymore either my point is proven you're done.

Donalg1, dear donalg1, I've said it's all our fault so what more do you want.
You are right and I, and anyone else with a different point of view than yours is wrong.
You sleep tight now, safe in the knowledge that you've done your bit and the rest of us are bad people.

I didn't say you were bad people and I didn't say anyone with a different point of view than me is wrong. I said you were wrong because you were that's all. You should move on from it now though we can't always be right everyone is wrong at times.

A lot of the anti side raise very good points and talk a lot of sense at times.

ncdadam

donalg1 wrote: »

I was asked to show some evidence that the LA'S budgets are being cut as a result of non payment of the hhc which I did. As for a disabled person being exempt I don't think so as this would be discriminatory maybe if it was means tested or something for exemptions. But I believe the exemptions should be kept to a minimum as to ensure fairness.

You weren't asked for evidence that LA budgets were being cut.
You were asked for evidence that the disabled persons grant was being cut as a direct result of the HHC not being paid.
You couldn't show any evidence of that.
Don't be changing your story now...

ncdadam

donalg1 wrote: »

I didn't say you were bad people and I didn't say anyone with a different point of view than me is wrong. I said you were wrong because you were that's all. You should move on from it now though we can't always be right everyone is wrong at times.

A lot of the anti side raise very good points and talk a lot of sense at times.

I'm not trying to be right all the time.
We can all raise good points and talk a lot of sense but both sides should at least listen to the others point of view.

donalg1

ncdadam wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

I was asked to show some evidence that the LA'S budgets are being cut as a result of non payment of the hhc which I did. As for a disabled person being exempt I don't think so as this would be discriminatory maybe if it was means tested or something for exemptions. But I believe the exemptions should be kept to a minimum as to ensure fairness.

You weren't asked for evidence that LA budgets were being cut.
You were asked for evidence that the disabled persons grant was being cut as a direct result of the HHC not being paid.
You couldn't show any evidence of that.
Don't be changing your story now...

Ha ha ha kinda did show it though not my fault you chose not to believe it. You were wrong end of story. People that havent paid te hhc are directly responsible for cuts in funding. Now I won't be going around in circles with you anymore I have dealt with and your continuous denial is laughable and quite sad really.

donalg1

ncdadam wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

I didn't say you were bad people and I didn't say anyone with a different point of view than me is wrong. I said you were wrong because you were that's all. You should move on from it now though we can't always be right everyone is wrong at times.

A lot of the anti side raise very good points and talk a lot of sense at times.

I'm not trying to be right all the time.
We can all raise good points and talk a lot of sense but both sides should at least listen to the others point of view.

Yes they should.

ncdadam

donalg1 wrote: »

Ha ha ha kinda did show it though not my fault you chose not to believe it. You were wrong end of story. People that havent paid te hhc are directly responsible for cuts in funding. Now I won't be going around in circles with you anymore I have dealt with and your continuous denial is laughable and quite sad really.

There's no denial here.
I know there has been cuts in funding. Has there been cuts specifically to the disabled persons grant? I don't know because I haven't seen any figures for this and neither have you.
Are we directly responsible? No, that would be Phil Hogan and the DOE.
Nobody forced Hulk to cut funding, that was his decision not mine and not the 600,000 people who won't pay the HHC.

donalg1

ncdadam wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Ha ha ha kinda did show it though not my fault you chose not to believe it. You were wrong end of story. People that havent paid te hhc are directly responsible for cuts in funding. Now I won't be going around in circles with you anymore I have dealt with and your continuous denial is laughable and quite sad really.

There's no denial here.
I know there has been cuts in funding. Has there been cuts specifically to the disabled persons grant? I don't know because I haven't seen any figures for this and neither have you.
Are we directly responsible? No, that would be Phil Hogan and the DOE.
Nobody forced Hulk to cut funding, that was his decision not mine and not the 600,000 people who won't pay the HHC.

If that's what you want to believe well that's fine. I will believe different as that's what I have read in a number of different papers etc.

So in short I will believe that those that haven't paid are somewhat responsible for cuts in funding you won't believe it and that's all there is to say on the matter. It's been two days back and forth on the matter and I can't be bothered anymore.

ncdadam

donalg1 wrote: »

If that's what you want to believe well that's fine. I will believe different as that's what I have read in a number of different papers etc.

So in short I will believe that those that haven't paid are somewhat responsible for cuts in funding you won't believe it and that's all there is to say on the matter. It's been two days back and forth on the matter and I can't be bothered anymore.

See, two different points of view.
That is allowed though, the joys of democracy!
Can we move on now?

Here's another one for you.
Do you think that people in Dublin should pay more in a property tax than people in the rest of the country?

bgrizzley

Ghandee wrote: »

The bat signal must be broken once again.

I'm looking forward to lugha's opinion on a further defaulter (related to revenue) and a drink driving charge to a FG councillor.

Nothing complicated about this case, surely he'll denounce the man?

Auctioneers and their madcap antics...