Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

Slurryface

tayto lover wrote: »

Fools and gbo****es all of them. I'm 58 and won't pay one red cent. I will march too and so will my friends, some of whom are older than me. We won't pay a tax on our own homes no matter what the consequences. It's time to stand up and fight this unjust tax. I would rather burn my home than pay for it a second time.

That is pitifully dumb thing to say, particularly since after you got out of jail for arson you would still owe the tax you are trying to criminally evade.

Ghandee

Slurryface wrote: »

That is pitifully dumb thing to say, particularly since after you got out of jail for arson you would still owe the tax you are trying to criminally evade.

Not to mention the emergency services call out charge too (which the hhc supposedly goes towards)

Slurryface

Ghandee wrote: »

Not to mention the emergency services call out charge too (which the hhc supposedly goes towards)

Kwy words there are "goes towards" as opposed to completlely covers.;)

Ghandee

Slurryface wrote: »

Kwy words there are "goes towards" as opposed to completlely covers.;)

"goes towards" yet the bill remains the same?

Rates in the north 'go towards' a vast array of services, yet the end user does not get a separate bill.

Ala,
refuse collection
Emergency services
Health care
Education.


To name but a few.

donalg1

Ghandee wrote: »

Rates in the north 'go towards' a vast array of services, yet the end user does not get a separate bill.

Ala,
refuse collection
Emergency services
Health care
Education.


To name but a few.

Would you pay a couple of grand each year for this though, personally I would rather source the above myself

Slurryface

Ghandee wrote: »

Rates in the north 'go towards' a vast array of services, yet the end user does not get a separate bill.

Ala,
refuse collection
Emergency services
Health care
Education.


To name but a few.

Yea, and the North is such a paradise!
Do you want their dole rates of payment too? And their endemic sectarianism? Not to metion their crippling rates of corporate taxation.
Maybe you arte that in love with the UK that you would have us rejoin it!

Hijpo

Slurryface wrote: »

Yea, and the North is such a paradise!
Do you want their dole rates of payment too? And their endemic sectarianism? Not to metion their crippling rates of corporate taxation.
Maybe you arte that in love with the UK that you would have us rejoin it!

jesus lads, if we get the same stuff for the charge as NI well end up with sactarian violence aswell.

Ghandee

donalg1 wrote: »

Would you pay a couple of grand each year for this though, personally I would rather source the above myself

Couple of grand? No.
A grand? Yeah.

I've stated on this thread I'd quite happily pay up to a grand if we got the same services included as the north, at the same standard.

Kids education, kids transportation costs to school, kids lunches (school dinners) all covered in the north.
Refuse collection, between €300-500 per year here (free in north)
Doctor and A&E/Hospital appointments, all free.
Prescriptions from pharmacist, average about three pound.
No toll bridges to contend with, much cheaper road tax.
(i know is not here yet, but its coming) water unmetered (free)
No call out bill from emergency services (€500 here)

Add up what you spend in a year with all those separate bills, with a property tax top, and I'm guessing the bargain to be had is in the north.

Ghandee

Slurryface wrote: »

Yea, and the North is such a paradise!
Do you want their dole rates of payment too? And their endemic sectarianism? Not to metion their crippling rates of corporate taxation.
Maybe you arte that in love with the UK that you would have us rejoin it!

So, comparing a property tax to the north only suits some of the posters on this thread when they compare how much is paid on one, not what you get for paying it?

donalg1

Ghandee wrote: »

Couple of grand? No.
A grand? Yeah.

I've stated on this thread I'd quite happily pay up to a grand if we got the same services included as the north, at the same standard.

Kids education, kids transportation costs to school, kids lunches (school dinners) all covered in the north.
Refuse collection, between €300-500 per year here (free in north)
Doctor and A&E/Hospital appointments, all free.
Prescriptions from pharmacist, average about three pound.
No toll bridges to contend with, much cheaper road tax.
(i know is not here yet, but its coming) water unmetered (free)
No call out bill from emergency services (€500 here)

Add up what you spend in a year with all those separate bills, with a property tax top, and I'm guessing the bargain to be had is in the north.

Well in fairness our Govt give a lot of the above already to those on Social Welfare, cheap prescriptions, kids lunches, free primary education, clothing and footwear allowances, medical cards. And all that is before we even get into the amount of money people get on Social Welfare here.

tayto lover

Slurryface wrote: »

That is pitifully dumb thing to say, particularly since after you got out of jail for arson you would still owe the tax you are trying to criminally evade.

Ah Jaysus Ali I was in great form last night after a day in Dublin. Sure what's wrong with a good auld "house-warming" every now and again anyway !!
You should have seen the face on Enda, he was like death warmed up.

Geuze

Ghandee wrote: »

Kids education, kids transportation costs to school, kids lunches (school dinners) all covered in the north.
Refuse collection, between €300-500 per year here (free in north)
Doctor and A&E/Hospital appointments, all free.
Prescriptions from pharmacist, average about three pound.
No toll bridges to contend with, much cheaper road tax.
(i know is not here yet, but its coming) water unmetered (free)
No call out bill from emergency services (€500 here)

Add up what you spend in a year with all those separate bills, with a property tax top, and I'm guessing the bargain to be had is in the north.

Note that healthcare in the UK is covered by tax and 11% NI (PRSI), and is not linked to Council Tax.

Our PRSI is 4%.

Slurryface

Geuze wrote: »

Note that healthcare in the UK is covered by tax and 11% NI (PRSI), and is not linked to Council Tax.

Our PRSI is 4%.

Yea but they dont have the USC

Am Chile

I got a notice in the post this morning- wasn,t related to the household tax-but a leaflet about the €5 septic tank registration fee which expires on friday-after friday its €50 registration fee-the leaflet protect our water register your septic tank before friday at €5 fee-meanwhile I don,t even have a septic tank as I live in an urban area-more waste of money printing up these leaflets and getting them dropped with peoples post in areas where they don,t even have septic tanks.

ilovesleep

It's reported that water charges could be up to 400 euro a year:

http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/196765-bord-gais-charges-water-could-reach-400-year.html

It's so steep in conjunction with everything else and more on the way.

ncdadam

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes. I'm only home from Croke Park but that has nothing to do with it. I own my home -- not the Government. Not paying to live in something I provided myself.

By the way I was cheering for Donegal. Also saw the long face on Enda afterwards too.

Your going to have dx on your back now.
The cheek of you going to Croker and not paying your HHC.
I hope you weren't drinking and wasting food too........

ncdadam

Am Chile wrote: »

I got a notice in the post this morning- wasn,t related to the household tax-but a leaflet about the €5 septic tank registration fee which expires on friday-after friday its €50 registration fee-the leaflet protect our water register your septic tank before friday at €5 fee-meanwhile I don,t even have a septic tank as I live in an urban area-more waste of money printing up these leaflets and getting them dropped with peoples post in areas where they don,t even have septic tanks.

That's why the PS get the big money and perks.
Great at their job altogether, money well spent.

Am Chile

ilovesleep wrote: »

It's reported that water charges could be up to 400 euro a year:

http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/196765-bord-gais-charges-water-could-reach-400-year.html

It's so steep in conjunction with everything else and more on the way.

Water is already being paid for from central taxation. It was never 'free- when they try to charge. Just like the household tax, people should just refuse to pay it. All kinds of threats will come no doubt,even threats of cut offs. As soon as it happens the supply will be turned on again just like the last time they tried to bring in water taxes-one Incident during the last anti water charges campaign a private water crew tried to turn off residents water supply-their van was surrounded by angry mobs of people and they trapped for hours -

The only real purpose in setting up Irish Water is to pave the way for the eventual privatisation of water - a bonanza to be handed over to a private operator to profiteer from a vital resource. Otherwise, the government would leave water in control of local authorities.

ncdadam

Thousands of jobs could be created to fix all the leaks in the current water infrastructure using EU structural funding.
Not happening though, don't know why.

ncdadam

Am Chile wrote: »

Water is already being paid for from central taxation. It was never 'free- when they try to charge. Just like the household tax, people should just refuse to pay it. All kinds of threats will come no doubt,even threats of cut offs. As soon as it happens the supply will be turned on again just like the last time they tried to bring in water taxes-one Incident during the last anti water charges campaign a private water crew tried to turn off residents water supply-their van was surrounded by angry mobs of people and they trapped for hours -

The only real purpose in setting up Irish Water is to pave the way for the eventual privatisation of water - a bonanza to be handed over to a private operator to profiteer from a vital resource. Otherwise, the government would leave water in control of local authorities.

This is Ireland though, you have to pay for a service with your income tax, PRSI, USC etc etc and then you have to pay again through a HHC and water charges.
We have to have enough money to pay for peoples LA housing and all the extra's these people get and we have to have enough money to pay a bloated
PS their inflated wages and pay rises.

Le_Dieux

Ghandee wrote: »

Couple of grand? No.
A grand? Yeah.

I've stated on this thread I'd quite happily pay up to a grand if we got the same services included as the north, at the same standard.

Kids education, kids transportation costs to school, kids lunches (school dinners) all covered in the north.
Refuse collection, between €300-500 per year here (free in north)
Doctor and A&E/Hospital appointments, all free.
Prescriptions from pharmacist, average about three pound.
No toll bridges to contend with, much cheaper road tax.
(i know is not here yet, but its coming) water unmetered (free)
No call out bill from emergency services (€500 here)

Add up what you spend in a year with all those separate bills, with a property tax top, and I'm guessing the bargain to be had is in the north.

Ghandee, who You got collecting Your refuse? We have AES and their annual charge is €264...afair

On the water charges, heard some more disturbng news on the radio today: The meters will only be installed come 2016/17, BUT in the meantime they are going to charge a flat rate from 2014. I wonder will this go as smoothly as the HHC?:rolleyes:

Le_Dieux

Am Chile wrote: »

The only real purpose in setting up Irish Water is to pave the way for the eventual privatisation of water - a bonanza to be handed over to a private operator to profiteer from a vital resource. Otherwise, the government would leave water in control of local authorities.

I completely concur with this line of thought AC. But is the water already not gone semi-private? Hasn't it been given to BG to 'manage'?

Am Chile

Le_Dieux wrote: »

I completely concur with this line of thought AC. But is the water already not gone semi-private? Hasn't it been given to BG to 'manage'?

Water hasn,t gone semi private yet-as water services is still in control of local authories for the time being.

Le_Dieux

Am Chile wrote: »

Water hasn,t gone semi private yet-as water services is still in control of local authories for the time being.

Not disputing what You say AC, but I did hear something on 'Morning Ireland' about Bord Gais taking over the administration of the water.

I could be wrong, and still suffering from the victory at Anfield yesterday;-))

Am Chile

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Ghandee, who You got collecting Your refuse? We have AES and their annual charge is €264...afair

On the water charges, heard some more disturbng news on the radio today: The meters will only be installed come 2016/17, BUT in the meantime they are going to charge a flat rate from 2014. I wonder will this go as smoothly as the HHC?:rolleyes:

I don,t think its gonna go so smoothly as everyone in rented accomdation to council housing will be asked to pay water charges-then we have the issue of transferring water services to semi private company which mightn,t go as smoothly as they would like.

Cork
homes and businesses could be left without water after council workers voted in
favour of going on strike.
Some 2,500 Siptu members in water departments
acro


ss
the country have voted 92% in favour of strike action.
Cork City Council and
Cork County Council staff voted overwhelmingly in support of taking the severest
form of industrial action, in line with colleagues around the country.


Con
Casey, Siptu representative, said such an action amounts to a “full withdrawal
of labour”.


There
are 54 people employed in City Hall in Water Services and even more in County
Hall.
They are responsible for the operation and maintenance of all water
supplies and sewerage schemes. Their work includes operating treatment plants,
including the Lee and Inniscarra Waterworks, cleaning and monitoring drains and
gullies and fixing broken pipes. The ballot was taken due to concerns over the
Government’s plan to transfer control of the water services from local
authorities to a new company, Irish Water, which has been set up as a subsidiary
of Bord Gáis.
Mr Casey said members were disappointed that the decision to
set up Irish Water had been taken without any consultation or engagement with
staff. He said union members were concerned about the future supply of water as
under the new set-up as it would be controlled by a commercial semi-State
company instead of being under public ownership.
Some members fear the
service could be fully privatised down the line. Workers Party councillor Ted
Tynan said he was 100% behind the action being taken by workers.



“We
have seen the great work done by water services staff time and again, but the
fear is we won’t get the same service under the new Irish Water company as their
focus will be on making a profit.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/07/19/drought-fear-as-water-workers-vote-for-strike/?fb_action_ids=404418526284567&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=246965925417366

Am Chile

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Not disputing what You say AC, but I did hear something on 'Morning Ireland' about Bord Gais taking over the administration of the water.

I could be wrong, and still suffering from the victory at Anfield yesterday;-))

From what I gather their plans for Irish water is that it would be semi private state owned company-for a while that is-until they attempt to fully privatise water services.

Am Chile

ncdadam wrote: »

Thousands of jobs could be created to fix all the leaks in the current water infrastructure using EU structural funding.
Not happening though, don't know why.

If they went this route I would have no problem-I can see why they won,t as if they fix and repair the leaks-it sort of kills off their spin water charges are for water conservation.

m4r10

donalg1 wrote: »

Well in fairness our Govt give a lot of the above already to those on Social Welfare, cheap prescriptions, kids lunches, free primary education, clothing and footwear allowances, medical cards. And all that is before we even get into the amount of money people get on Social Welfare here.

What about those "unfortunate" ones not to be on Social Welfare? Those who struggle to pay a mortgage, doctor visits and expensive medicine, etc? Who's taking care of those ones?

I'm afraid to think of what will happen if I get sick and cannot work for 2-3 weeks as the mortgage will not be paid and for sure nobody will be there for me to give me a hand with it. I sometimes wonder if it's not easier to hand the keys of the house to the bank and live off Social Welfare as it seems that soon enough we won't earn enough cash to pay all the taxes the government want us to pay.

Le_Dieux

Meantime...................

Public transport prices are to rise - why?

Because fewer people are using the transport and revenues have declined and fuel prices are also a factor.

FFS....................What kind mentality is behind this thinking?? This line of thought is utter crazy. Oh too few people use the bus, do we do something to get them back onto the bus? Or put up the fares to allay the loss of revenue?

This country is going backwards, AND FAST!!!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0924/transport-increase.html

Lady Chatterton

I'm absolutely livid at the moment :mad:

I paid my household charge back in March before the deadline. In July, I received a reminder letter asking me to pay up, I rang up and I explained that I'd paid, they looked up their system and confirm I've paid and apologise for the reminder letter.

In August, I received a second reminder, I rang up again and I received another apology and assurances that I wouldn't receive any further reminder/warning letters.

This morning, I received by third reminder with a threat of legal proceedings within ten days if I don't pay up. I ring up again and request to speak to a manager and he tells me not to worry that thousands of those letters are going out to people who have already paid.

I raise concerns at the amount of money being wasted on needless correspondence as well as the worry that their reminder letters could generate (particularly amongst the elderly etc.) he didn't seem in the slightest bit bothered.

I beginning to regret giving these muppets my money. Sometimes, this country drives me f**king nuts :mad::mad::mad: