Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

dvpower

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Didn't bother persueing it, as I feel You ain't worth the hassle!

Well you should probably stop whinging about it then and get back on topic.

lugha

ncdadam wrote: »

Isn't it time we stopped this charade and started playing hardball with these muppets?

Ah yes, the old hardball way. Mind you, you may have a solution to many of the problems people are facing, and will continue to do, in the coming years.

Difficulty paying your mortgage? No problem! Just play hardball with your bank, and the bailiffs if it comes to that.

Can’t find money to pay your electricity/fuel/phone etc? Have you considered a spot of the ‘aul hardball with the providers? That’ll learn ‘em.

:rolleyes:

The thing about playing hardball is that you need to have leverage. And when your opponent has control of the purse strings, effectively stopping your country from going down the toilet completely, I think you’ll find your leverage is not very levery!

ncdadam

Aphex Tim wrote: »

Róisín Shortall resigns as Primary Care Minister.




http://www.thejournal.ie/roisin-shortall-resigns-611424-Sep2012/

Do you know that sound you hear in cartoons when something is about to break into smithereens? That crack, crack sound?
That's the sound this sham government is making now.

Le_Dieux

dvpower wrote: »

Well you should probably stop whinging about it then and get back on topic.

#1: I never left the topic &

#2: Who are you to tell me what to do? Trying to surpass the dictatorial manner of hogan?

Bishop_Donal

darkhorse wrote: »

All I can say, Bish, is that ya must have been living under a bleedin rock, judging by your post here. Either that, or ya never heard of stubbs, which I dont think is the case.

So you categorically know how many defaulters we would have had if we hadn't had the deterrent of publication!! :D:D

ncdadam

lugha wrote: »

Ah yes, the old hardball way. Mind you, you may have a solution to many of the problems people are facing, and will continue to do, in the coming years.

Difficulty paying your mortgage? No problem! Just play hardball with your bank, and the bailiffs if it comes to that.

Can’t find money to pay your electricity/fuel/phone etc? Have you considered a spot of the ‘aul hardball with the providers? That’ll learn ‘em.

:rolleyes:

The thing about playing hardball is that you need to have leverage. And when your opponent has control of the purse strings, effectively stopping your country from going down the toilet completely, I think you’ll find your leverage is not very levery!

The leverage we have lugha is that if we default, the euro will collapse and the eu will break up.
Will that be a good or a bad thing?, who knows? a tough few years and we'd be back on our feet.

Le_Dieux

ncdadam wrote: »

Do you know that sound you hear in cartoons when something is about to break into smithereens? That crack, crack sound?
That's the sound this sham government is making now.

I agree NC about this one-tracked me-fein govt. But what scares the crap out of me is what's next? Who takes their place?

PLEASE don't say SF???

ncdadam

Le_Dieux wrote: »

#1: I never left the topic &

#2: Who are you to tell me what to do? Trying to surpass the dictatorial manner of hogan?

Thought back seat modding was not allowed here, Le_Dieux?

dvpower

ncdadam wrote: »

Thought back seat modding was not allowed here, Le_Dieux?

Take it to a mod if you have a problem.
This thread is getting even more off topic than usual.

Le_Dieux

ncdadam wrote: »

Do you know that sound you hear in cartoons when something is about to break into smithereens? That crack, crack sound?
That's the sound this sham government is making now.

Fair play to Her. She has 'balls', not taking bullsh1t. Only blot on Her CV is why oh why oh why did She give reilly a vote-of-confidence last week???

lugha

ncdadam wrote: »

The leverage we have lugha is that if we default, the euro will collapse and the eu will break up.
Will that be a good or a bad thing?, who knows? a tough few years and we'd be back on our feet.

How do you reckon the euro will collapse if we default?

But in any case, I think there is still a fair chance that we will be leaving the euro anyway, hot on the heels of Greece. And as this has been seen as a real possibility for some time, it is hardly much of a lever!

Fond and all as we are of ourselves, Europe will trudge on happily without us! :P

ncdadam

Le_Dieux wrote: »

I agree NC about this one-tracked me-fein govt. But what scares the crap out of me is what's next? Who takes their place?

PLEASE don't say SF???

Unfortunately there will be a massive swing back to FF.
They'll have had their punishment from the electorate and will get back in.
They fcuked the country up but the current shower are making it worse.

Bishop_Donal

Le_Dieux wrote: »

I agree NC about this one-tracked me-fein govt. But what scares the crap out of me is what's next? Who takes their place?

PLEASE don't say SF???

Probably be a FG/FF Coalition (which will ultimately lead to a real Right / Left split in Irish politics for once and for all).

Following Government will be a SF/Labour/ULA/Socialist & independent coalition!! Class. At least the people who actually make a contribution to the country will know when it's time to formally get out.

ncdadam

lugha wrote: »

How do you reckon the euro will collapse if we default?

But in any case, I think there is still a fair chance that we will be leaving the euro anyway, hot on the heels of Greece. And as this has been seen as a real possibility for some time, it is hardly much of a lever!

Fond and all as we are of ourselves, Europe will trudge on happily without us! :P

Contagion.

There is no mechanism available for one country to leave on its own, one goes, it all goes. Might be no bad thing.

Ghandee

Maggie 2 wrote: »

Who don't pay for their own homes.

True colours Maggie.

lugha wrote: »

How do you reckon the euro will collapse if we default?

But in any case, I think there is still a fair chance that we will be leaving the euro anyway, hot on the heels of Greece. And as this has been seen as a real possibility for some time, it is hardly much of a lever!

Fond and all as we are of ourselves, Europe will trudge on happily without us! :P

I don't know about that one Lugha.

We're on the western edge of Europe, some might say the gates to Europe.
English is our spoken language, handy for the English speakers on one side of us.
We also use the euro as our currency, another added bonus.
Factor in our more then appealing, in fact envious corporation tax rate, and I'd be pretty sure more than a few other countries wouldn't really want to see us go.

Lastly, one more thing I'll say.


Iceland.

Le_Dieux

dvpower wrote: »

Take it to a mod if you have a problem.
This thread is getting even more off topic than usual.

And you are the one dragging it off-topic dv. You are the oe who wrongly accused me of calling you names, You are the one who only copied someof a sentence I wrote, you are the one who refuses to apologise.

Boards and this thread are much bigger than either You or me. I apologised in case I was wrong, but You appear to have all the answers, you seem to think you are always right, and the 'other side' are completely wrong.

Wake up please!

Carlow2011

ncdadam wrote: »

Lets not forget why we have a deficit.
450,000 on the dole, most of them long term now.
€1.5 billion a year paid in allowances to the PS, on top of being paid 50% more than the same person in the private sector.
A health service that's out of control and sucking the exchequer dry.
Unsecured secondary bondholders being paid back, in full, just to please the germans and the ECB.
Add to that a complete unwillingness to draw down european strategic funding to at least try and stimulate the economy.
Dig up Haughey, even dead he'd do a better job of running the country,of playing hard ball with europe and getting us out of this mess and I detest to my bones FF.
Make sure you leave the last bit out when your quoting this, pro taxers.

Just wondering where the figure of pay for PS being 50% more than private sector comes from, is there a recent report?

ncdadam

Carlow2011 wrote: »

Just wondering where the figure of pay for PS being 50% more than private sector comes from, is there a recent report?

Here you go.


http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/earnings/2012/earnlabcosts_q22012.pdf

Paragraph at the bottom of page 2.

Am Chile

Luke Ming has posted on on his website about ongoing dirty tricks by roscommon county council- it seems now they re now resorting to telling people they can,t vote unless they have paid-they re also trying to get people to sign details of how many is living at an address-I posted about a visit I had from a council official knocking at my door back in July asking similar questions which I refused to answer I found the whole thing suspicious.

Heads Up To All Anti Household Tax Posters
About half 3 I had a knock on the door from a council official, he would of being his fifties had a clipboard with him-when I answered the door he said may I ask the names of those living here, how many living in the house, it for the voting register he said-I told him Im not answering any of your questions-please leave my property-he left and went next door-I had the window open and overheard him asking the same questions-I strongly suspect the whole voting register thing is just an excuse to asked questions- this is being done as an Intel gathering exercise by the council gathering further info for next years property tax.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79875821&postcount=5809

PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE PRESS RELEASE
Roscommon County Council’s abuse of the democratic process.
Roscommon County Council have gone a step too far in using the Register of Voters to scare people into paying the Household Charge. My office has been inundated with phone calls and emails showing the depths to which the Council Officials and the County Mayor have stooped.
Council officials have blurred the line between democracy and taxation. By getting householders to sign to confirm the details of those living in their houses, and to then produce a document outlining the implications of not paying the household charge – they leave a message, no household charge payment, no vote.

http://www.lukemingflanagan.ie/posts/news/press-releases/press-release-roscommon-county-council%E2%80%99s-abuse-of-the-democratic-process/

These ongoing dirty tricks first the one about the college grants last week now this one about telling people no payment, no right to vote, tells me if they were telling the truth the level of % they say have paid-they wouldn,t be up to these dirty tricks

dvpower

Carlow2011 wrote: »

Just wondering where the figure of pay for PS being 50% more than private sector comes from, is there a recent report?

ncdadam doesn't really go in for reports and statistics and the like - they're all compromised by a corrupt government.
Feelings and hunches are a much better source of evidence.

Edit: I take it back. ncdadam does trust government figures when they suit.

ncdadam

dvpower wrote: »

ncdadam doesn't really go in for reports and statistics and the like - they're all compromised by a corrupt government.
Feelings and hunches are a much better source of evidence.

Maybe you should read the CSO report I just put up then before you start throwing the personal abuse around again.:rolleyes:

ncdadam

dvpower wrote: »

ncdadam doesn't really go in for reports and statistics and the like - they're all compromised by a corrupt government.
Feelings and hunches are a much better source of evidence.

Edit: I take it back. ncdadam does trust government figures when they suit.

Hate that!:p Quick now, edit before anyone sees:D

Le_Dieux

Am Chile wrote: »

Luke Ming has posted on on his website about ongoing dirty tricks by roscommon county council- it seems now they re now resorting to telling people they can,t vote unless they have paid-they re also trying to get people to sign details of how many is living at an address-I posted about a visit I had from a council official knocking at my door back in July asking similar questions which I refused to answer I found the whole thing suspicious.

Isn't it our constitutional right to vote? Think Roscommon or any other CC who try this will find themselves in deep manure, and probably out of pocket to the tune of a lot of money, as costs will inevitably end up being charged against the respective CC's/LA's.

Le_Dieux

ncdadam wrote: »

Do you know that sound you hear in cartoons when something is about to break into smithereens? That crack, crack sound?
That's the sound this sham government is making now.

So, between hogans interference along with Shortall's resignation - There'll be fireworks on VB tonight, I think! Heaven's help to govt rep...the word slaughtering springs to mind;-)

DoesNotCompute

ncdadam wrote: »

Lets not forget why we have a deficit.
450,000 on the dole, most of them long term now.
€1.5 billion a year paid in allowances to the PS, on top of being paid 50% more than the same person in the private sector.
A health service that's out of control and sucking the exchequer dry.
Unsecured secondary bondholders being paid back, in full, just to please the germans and the ECB.
Add to that a complete unwillingness to draw down european strategic funding to at least try and stimulate the economy.
Dig up Haughey, even dead he'd do a better job of running the country,of playing hard ball with europe and getting us out of this mess and I detest to my bones FF.
Make sure you leave the last bit out when your quoting this, pro taxers.

Actually, the unsecured bondholders has nothing to do with our deficit (see my sig). Get your facts straight.

ncdadam

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Actually, the unsecured bondholders has nothing to do with our deficit (see my sig). Get your facts straight.

Ok, so paying €1 billion on Oct 1st to unsecured bondholders in a bankrupt bank will make no difference to our deficit?
You agree with the rest of my post?

DoesNotCompute

ncdadam wrote: »

Ok, so paying €1 billion on Oct 1st to unsecured bondholders in a bankrupt bank will make no difference to our deficit?

None whatsoever.

Edit: to elaborate. Even if we burned the bondholders, there's still around a €15 billion difference between what we're spending and what we're taking in.

ncdadam wrote: »

You agree with the rest of my post?

No, it's a load of auld codswallop tbh.

ncdadam

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

None whatsoever.


No, it's a load of auld codswallop tbh.

Thought that ok, apt username;)

DoesNotCompute

ncdadam wrote: »

Thought that ok, you donotcompute;)

I submit that it is you who does not compute.

You are conflating two seperate issues to suit your agenda.

our deficit is the difference between what we're spending and what we're taking in. The banking debt does not factor into it.

ncdadam

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

I submit that it is you who does not compute.

You are conflating two seperate issues to suit your agenda.

our deficit is the difference between what we're spending and what we're taking in. The banking debt does not factor into it.

Are we not spending money paying unsecured bondholders? Are we not spending money on the interest on loans used to pay unsecured bondholders?
Are we not spending €1.5 billion a year on allowances in the PS?
Are we not paying our PS workers, according to the CSO, on average 50% more than their private sector counterparts?
Codswallop?