Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

dvpower

Am Chile wrote: »

Around the end of November before the budget-there will be anti austerity protest march-just to survey people on here against the household tax and get some feedback- (1) would you be in favour of single anti austerity marches in every local town on a choosen date-or would you think one big anti austerity march in dublin would be better ? (2) how many on here will leave their keyboard for a few hours and march against the property tax ?

You're on your own. None of the armchair protesters on this thread will take any political action.
Maybe Ghandee, but that's about it.

ncdadam

dvpower wrote: »

You're on your own. None of the armchair protesters on this thread will take any political action.
Maybe Ghandee, but that's about it.

You want to retract your statement about 500,000 already paying for their water then?
No?, didn't think so.

Bullseye1

You know your in trouble when you have government back benchers in the Vincent Brown show defending decisions they know nothing about. Typical stone walling. No wonder we have so many good stone masons in this country.

Am Chile

ncdadam wrote: »

Haven't you heard AC, this government have turned their back on the people who elected them. They won't listen.
Marching is a waste of time, the best way is to hit them where it hurts.
Don't pay and make it as expensive as possible for them to try and bring it in.
Eventually they might see that it's costing more than it's bringing in, financially and socially.

If enough people march it won,t be a waste of time-if a march takes place in dublin or wherever if big numbers march, march slowly just taking time, march over across bridges would cause huge traffic disruption-which would no doubt make the evening news-not paying is all well and good-but I think people need to become more militant like the Spanish and Portuguese are-anti austerity protest marches worked in Portugal.

The Portuguese government have made a U-turn on a decision to increase taxes.

They have instead agreed to look for alternatives after huge anti-austerity street protests.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/2012/0922/world/protests-convince-portugal-government-to-reconsider-tax-rises-567885.html

tayto lover

dvpower wrote: »

You're on your own. None of the armchair protesters on this thread will take any political action.
Maybe Ghandee, but that's about it.

You're in for a bit of a shock with that statement. I know plenty of friends who are itching to protest and they are not young lads either.
Never think you know what's going to happen 'cos it can come back to bite you in the arse.
What did you make of Reilly's U-turn today, blaming Mary Harney for selecting the two sites in his constituency and then being found out that it was himself who did it? And what about the fact that the sites are owned by his buddy who "only knew Reilly to see" until a photo of the two of them at a function appeared?
Cronyism if rife in F.G. or F.F. Lite.

ncdadam

So just to set the record straight, 500,000 people in Ireland do not already pay for their own water supply as was stated earlier.
170,000 are on a GWS and receive grants for this.

ncdadam

tayto lover wrote: »

You're in for a bit of a shock with that statement. I know plenty of friends who are itching to protest and they are not young lads either.
Never think you know what's going to happen 'cos it can come back to bite you in the arse.
What did you make of Reilly's U-turn today, blaming Mary Harney for selecting the two sites in his constituency and then being found out that it was himself who did it? And what about the fact that the sites are owned by his buddy who "only knew Reilly to see" until a photo of the two of them at a function appeared?
Cronyism if rife in F.G. or F.F. Lite.

James 'stroke' Reilly as he's now known......

Am Chile

dvpower wrote: »

You're on your own. None of the armchair protesters on this thread will take any political action.
Maybe Ghandee, but that's about it.

Although some mightn,t feel the need to march just yet-with various kiteflying on the property tax-some newspaper articles saying its gonna be €1000-others saying it will be less-I hope the full details are revealed before the budget and I hope it will be €1000-as it will be enough to antagonise some people to march.

dvpower

tayto lover wrote: »

You're in for a bit of a shock with that statement. I know plenty of friends who are itching to protest and they are not young lads either.
Never think you know what's going to happen 'cos it can come back to bite you in the arse.
What did you make of Reilly's U-turn today, blaming Mary Harney for selecting the two sites in his constituency and then being found out that it was himself who did it? And what about the fact that the sites are owned by his buddy who "only knew Reilly to see" until a photo of the two of them at a function appeared?
Cronyism if rife in F.G. or F.F. Lite.

I'd welcome some proper anti austerity protests (I admire people who are willing to stand up for what they believe, even if I don't agree with them). I just don't see where they're going to come from.

All through this thread, for example, most posters are convinced that by simply not paying for as long as possible they can effect change. This, of course, is simply nonsense. The anti property charge campaign failed because it didn't manage to harness the large numbers of people who refused to pay at the outset.

ncdadam

Am Chile wrote: »

Although some mightn,t feel the need to march just yet-with various kiteflying on the property tax-some newspaper articles saying its gonna be €1000-others saying it will be less-I hope the full details are revealed before the budget and I hope it will be €1000-as it will be enough to antagonise some people to march.

According to some here it hasn't been decided yet, looks like it will be decided on the day of the budget.:eek:

Am Chile

dvpower wrote: »

I'd welcome some proper anti austerity protests (I admire people who are willing to stand up for what they believe, even if I don't agree with them). I just don't see where they're going to come from.

All through this thread, for example, most posters are convinced that by simply not paying for as long as possible they can effect change. This, of course, is simply nonsense. The anti property charge campaign failed because it didn't manage to harness the large numbers of people who refused to pay at the outset.

most posters are convinced that by simply not paying for as long as possible they can effect change. This, of course, is simply nonsense

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Unfortunately I have to agree with you there.

The anti property charge campaign failed because it didn't manage to harness the large numbers of people who refused to pay at the outset

Over 700.000 non registered not paid-no one fined or jailed as of yet-non payment of the poll tax in its first year was slightlty around 15% very low-yet the poll tax failed in the end.

Ghandee

golden lane wrote: »

may i ask, why you bought a house that was so dear....

Are you for real?

dvpower wrote: »

You're on your own. None of the armchair protesters on this thread will take any political action.
Maybe Ghandee, but that's about it.

What do you think of Mr Reilly today DV?

Still nothing negative to say about the man?
Should he be forced to resign?

Also, the part about no armchair protesters taking action has to be one of the most condescending posts you've made on this thread yet.

I sincerely hope it comes back to bite you on the back side.

ncdadam

Am Chile wrote: »

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Unfortunately I have to agree with you there.

Probably because most people wouldn't be seen at a march headed by Clair Daly, Joe Higgins and Mick Wallace!
I know I wouldn't.

tayto lover

dvpower wrote: »

I'd welcome some proper anti austerity protests (I admire people who are willing to stand up for what they believe, even if I don't agree with them). I just don't see where they're going to come from.

All through this thread, for example, most posters are convinced that by simply not paying for as long as possible they can effect change. This, of course, is simply nonsense. The anti property charge campaign failed because it didn't manage to harness the large numbers of people who refused to pay at the outset.

The anti property tax campaign hasn't even began yet.
I am 100% convinced, and have been for a long time, that there will be serious protest on the streets. F.G. don't seem to be in touch with the people on the ground as the level of anger is rising all the time and there will be serious trouble. The women of Ireland seem to be even more angry than the men and that is a recipe for protest.

ncdadam

Ghandee wrote: »

Are you for real?



What do you think of Mr Reilly today DV?

Still nothing negative to say about the man?
Should he be forced to resign?

Also, the part about no armchair protesters taking action has to be one of the most condescending posts you've made on this thread yet.

I sincerely hope it comes back to bite you on the back side.

Rather be an armchair protester than an armchair pro taxer;)

ncdadam

tayto lover wrote: »

The anti property tax campaign hasn't even began yet.
I am 100% convinced, and have been for a long time, that there will be serious protest on the streets. F.G. don't seem to be in touch with the people on the ground as the level of anger is rising all the time and there will be serious trouble. The women of Ireland seem to be even more angry than the men and that is a recipe for protest.

You know what they say about a woman scorned, tayto........

dvpower

tayto lover wrote: »

The anti property tax campaign hasn't even began yet.

I know. It died at birth.

dvpower

Ghandee wrote: »

Also, the part about no armchair protesters taking action has to be one of the most condescending posts you've made on this thread yet.

I sincerely hope it comes back to bite you on the back side.

It won't.
"Don't Register - Don't Pay" = "Don't Fight - Run Away"

Jellicoe

tayto lover wrote:

I am 100% convinced, and have been for a long time, that there will be serious protest on the streets.

Waste of time. They'll pretend to bleat a bit, but that's about it. Always have, always will.

The Irish sheeple are well trained in taking it up the ass from the golden circle.

Am Chile

ncdadam wrote: »

Probably because most people wouldn't be seen at a march headed by Clair Daly, Joe Higgins and Mick Wallace!
I know I wouldn't.

I personally wouldn,t mind who was on the march-as long as big numbers turned out to march-I was at both marches to the fine gael and labour conferences earlier this year-although there was some at both marches, marching under Ula and socialist party banners-the vast majority of people were marching under anti property tax non party political banners as I was.

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

It won't.
"Don't Register - Don't Pay" = "Don't Fight - Run Away"

I'll ask again so.

What do you think of Mr Reilly today DV?

Still nothing negative to say about the man?
Should he be forced to resign?

ncdadam

Ghandee wrote: »

I'll ask again so.

See dv's lie about 500,000 paying for their water earlier Ghandee?
No retraction of that lie coming.
Credibility gone.

Am Chile

dvpower wrote: »

I know. It died at birth.

Rubbish, its still ongoing-still over 700.000 non registered-over the last while they have tried denying people student grants, telling people if they don,t pay they won,t be allowed to vote-Paul Mcsweeny all over national airwaves telling listeners if they don,t pay councils will have to switch off street lights, close parks and libraries, which so far hasn,t happened-the anti poll tax campaign took three years to win-the anti water rates campaign went on for years nationally but when they tried to introduce water rates in dublin in 1994-it went on for over three years then the anti water rates campaign won-just because something is ongoing don,t mean its over-ain,t nothing over till its over.

Ghandee

ncdadam wrote: »

See dv's lie about 500,000 paying for their water earlier Ghandee?
No retraction of that lie coming.
Credibility gone.

It went a looooong time ago. Nc.

dvpower

Ghandee wrote: »

I'll ask again so.

How is it related to the HHC / Property tax?

Try to keep at least slightly on topic.

dvpower

Ghandee wrote: »

It went a looooong time ago. Nc.

... and yet you keep asking me dumb questions.

ncdadam

dvpower wrote: »

How is it related to the HHC / Property tax?

Try to keep at least slightly on topic.

Like telling porkies about people paying for their water???;)

Bullseye1

The anti property tax campaign has not begun because the property tax has not been introduced yet. It's one thing paying €100 to register its another thing to pay €300, €500 or €1000 a year for basically nothing new. You still need to source your own rubbish collection and there will be a water charge with an expected cost to each house owner of €500-€800 for insertion of water meter and then an average water charge of €300-€500.

Personally I can see mass demonstration as this current government has done nothing to bring about a change in how politics is conducted in this country with "stroke politics" still to the fore. And when people see €1 billion paid by AIB to gamblers (who lost, cannot see Paddy Power paying put on a horse that fell at the first fence) and then hit the rest of the population with a 0.5% interest increase because of the lunacy of tracker mortgages people will finally say enough is enough.

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

I know. It died at birth.

You'll be tracked down via utility bills. Lies
You'll be tracked down via the land register, Lies
We'll deny you education grants. Lies
We'll threaten to refuse your voting rights, Lies
We'll turn off lights, shut down parks, etc etc. Lies
You'll not get a tax clearance cert. Lies

Seven months on, 6-700, 000 still to pay, and they've decided due to a badly thought out collection/implementation procedure, next year 'revenue will collect it'

Died at birth? Its still a very very much alive protest, and one that's still very very much moving closer to all out victory to the anti property tax side.

Just as the govt move closer and closer to collapse. Gilmore should be calling for Reillys head now, as its been proved beyond any reasonable doubt that he hung shorthall out to dry, some labour meps have already called for his resignation.

The whole things tumbling down around their ears, sadly none of them seem bright enough to recognise the fact.

darkhorse

Jellicoe wrote: »

The Irish sheeple are well trained in taking it up the ass from the golden circle.

Like the pensioners over the medical cards?