Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

Frank Black

paddy147 wrote: »

By saying NO and standing up for what I believe in,Im doing my part as a patriot.

Being a patriot and being patriotic to my country doesnt need to involve actual physical fighting.

You'll probably get a statue on O'Connell Street.

gerryo777

alastair wrote: »

Self registration isn't the only registration game in town. They're compiling an up-to-date database in parallel to this. Given the Deed of Sale and Stamp Duty databases, this won't be rocket science.

Wow!
So, eventually they will have a list of people and their addresses.
I'm ****ting myself now.

Ghandee

black francis wrote: »

776000 is the latest figure reported on RTE!

Which means more than a million have yet to register.

Good luck trying to implement that. If it was the UK, with a population of 60,000,000 that wouldnt be such as big a headache (would still be dam dam difficult though)

But with Irelands population, which is give or take 4,000,000 your talking over 50% of the (liable) public, give or take.

steve9859

alastair wrote: »

Self registration isn't the only registration game in town. They're compiling an up-to-date database in parallel to this. Given the Deed of Sale and Stamp Duty databases, this won't be rocket science.

well, good luck to them. I'll make them work for it. For the sake of an annual penalty equivalent to 6 or 7 pints I'm happy enough to wait it out

tayto lover

donalg1 wrote: »

Didn't they say nobody would go to jail for not paying.

All they need to do is pick a handful of people that didn't pay and bring them to court and fine them €2500, even five people would be enough to make a point then all the non payers would be falling over themselves to pay it

And if they refuse to pay the fines ?

paddy147

alastair wrote: »

or much in the way of awareness either. it seems.

Im aware of the charge.

I was asked/requested to pay it by the goverment on the TV and on the radio too,by various different ministers with all sorts of waffle and excuses,reasons

I said NO.

They asked me a question and I gave them my answer.



Now,I wonder where all those information leaflets got to aswell??

alastair

gerryo777 wrote: »

Wow!
So, eventually they will have a list of people and their addresses.
I'm ****ting myself now.

Again, your toilet habits aside, it's about ability to enforce, not scare. You'll have to pay, whatever trousers you choose to wear.

hondasam

dvpower wrote: »

Anyone can go on to the website on Sunday morning and beyond and pay the charge. The interest and penalties will be €11 I think.

I will think about it.

Roverek

gerryo777 wrote: »

Wow!
So, eventually they will have a list of people and their addresses.
I'm ****ting myself now.

And they spend 200euro to find each one, as otherwise our overpaid PS will not work :-). hahahaha

gerryo777

alastair wrote: »

Again, your toilet habits aside, it's about ability to enforce, not scare. You'll have to pay, whatever trousers you choose to wear.

Good chap.

dvpower

hondasam wrote: »

Did you read the link? This system is needed to take money from wages and social welfare payments.
If they could do with via the tax office there would be no need for this expensive system.

They can and do do it in the Revenue. Do you doubt this?

The new system will allow for it to be used much more efficiently and open it up to be used on a much more widespread basis (as envisaged by the changes to the Fines Act), but this happens now, every day.

lugha

paddy147 wrote: »

By saying NO and standing up for what I believe in,Im doing my part as a patriot.

You are refusing to pay a charge (or tax if you prefer) that was introduced by the lawfully elected government of this country,

There are quite a few folk who from time to time are found to have declined to pay taxes that they were obliged to pay under law, and like you, they would have been quite adamant that these taxes were fundamentally unfair. Are they heroes too?

Or is tax evasion one of these irregular verbs as Bernard Wooley might say.

I am a conscientious objective to unfair charges
You are reneging on your tax obligations.
He is a greedy tax sponger, thieving of the people! :pac:

gerryo777

hondasam wrote: »

I will think about it.

Don't be bullied Sam.

Frank Black

Ghandee wrote: »

Which means more than a million have yet to register.

Good luck trying to implement that. If it was the UK, with a population of 60,000,000 that wouldnt be such as big a headache (would still be dam dam difficult though)

But with Irelands population, which is give or take 4,000,000 your talking over 50% of the (liable) public, give or take.

Given that it appears very few who are not liable have registered, the % who are liable and have paid looks like it may break the 50% barrier.

You're going to have to move the old goalposts again Ghandee!

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

Which means more than a million have yet to register.

ehh, that's less than a million, but carry on...

paddy147

black francis wrote: »

You'll probably get a statue on O'Connell Street.

Yeah,Ill get it cast in bronze and have life size sculpture of myself kicking Endas arse down the street with my size 11 steel cap.:D

Bruthal

alastair wrote: »

I doubt anyone is scared, but the reality is that non-payers will be fined, and obliged to pay in the final analysis.

Final analysis again:D

Ghandee

dvpower wrote: »

If the 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' campaign were anything like the revolutionaries of 1916, they would be having a 'Do Register, Don't Pay' campaign and standing up, not hiding away in the hope that the government don't catch up to them.

I highly doubt most of us see it as hiding?

The Govt admitted themselves they have no database. Did they think we'd all volunteer to register our details, and give them a blank cheque for which to screw us over year after year?

Also, answer this DV, why have they never came out and outlined the proposed plans for a property tax, or give any assurances as to how this charge wont sky rocket?

And to top it off, Edna made no comment on the HHC in his closing speech tonight?

Is this the first sign that its to be consigned to the history drawer pretty quickly?

gerryo777

dvpower wrote: »

They can and do do it in the Revenue. Do you doubt this?

The new system will allow for it to be used much more efficiently and open the open up to be used on a much more widespread basis (as envisaged by the changes to the Fines Act), but this happens now, every day.

What's revenue go to do with something that's not a tax.

demanufactured

I wonder will Big Joe Joyce pay it??

dvpower

gerryo777 wrote: »

Don't be bullied Sam.

And while you're at it Sam, hand over your lunch money.
:eek:

paddy147

dvpower wrote: »

If the 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' campaign were anything like the revolutionaries of 1916, they would be having a 'Do Register, Don't Pay' campaign and standing up, not hiding away in the hope that the government don't catch up to them.

Oh yeah,so register up so that Enda can have everybodies address and make life so much easier for himself and big Phil.

Yeah right.

When someone says NO,that means they said NO.

Not yes or maybe..but NO.

dvpower

gerryo777 wrote: »

What's revenue go to do with something that's not a tax.

Not quite sure what you're getting at - or if you were following the point.

Ghandee

alastair wrote: »

ehh, that's less than a million, but carry on...

Is it?

true figure was 1.8 million.

Needs to be over the 800,000 mark Ali.

MagicSean

tayto lover wrote: »

And if they refuse to pay the fines ?

I'm pretty sure you know what happens to someone who doesn't pay a court fine. Penal warrant followed by three hots and a pot. That's just the fine. There is still the original charge pluse interest and penalty. They will likely deduct this at source for social welfare and public sector employees and through tax credits for everyone else. And I've no doubt that they will use the level of non payment as an excuse for some more cuts in the next budget.

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

Is this the first sign that its to be consigned to the history drawer pretty quickly?

Let's see...


ehh, no.

tayto lover

gerryo777 wrote: »

€50k for a social worker???
Clucking Bell as the saying goes.
Is it any wonder we're ****ed?
My sister in law went on maternity leave recently, a teacher, she is on that until the holidays, then she takes a break from maternity leave and gets her holiday pay and then back on the maternity leave when school starts again.
Crazy country!

Don't pay any attention to that post (no.9) as it's obviously created to suit an agenda and nothing to do with the thread.

paddy147

alastair wrote: »

ehh, that's less than a million, but carry on...

1.6 million or 1.8 million...sure even big Phil himself doesnt really know.He knows sweet fcuk all then.

gerryo777

dvpower wrote: »

And while you're at it Sam, hand over your lunch money.
:eek:

Leave her alone or I'll kick your ass!:D

tayto lover

Roverek wrote: »

The opinion of PS is not valid in the real world.

Who were you before ?

hondasam

gerryo777 wrote: »

Don't be bullied Sam.

dvpower wrote: »

And while you're at it Sam, hand over your lunch money.
:eek:

I'm a PS worker I cannot afford a lunch.:p

Bullseye1

They won't be chasing people for €10. If they get people to pay the €100 they will be happy enough.

The people who have being paying by direct debit over four payments haven't paid in full yet. How could they justify fining people before those people have fully paid. Don't fall for the scare mongering. A time extension will be announced.

tayto lover

dvpower wrote: »

There is nothing in the Household Charge legislation that allows for automatic attachment orders, but, as I understand it, anyone prosecuted for non registration can be fined and have an attachment order made against them, for the payment of that fine, by a court, under the Fines Act 2010 (linky)

More scaremongering only.

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

Is it?

true figure was 1.8 million.

Needs to be over the 800,000 mark Ali.

The official figure is 1.65 million

Bullseye1

paddy147 wrote: »

1.6 million or 1.8 million...sure even big Phil himself doesnt really know.He knows sweet fcuk all then.

200,000 homes have gone missing. LOL

hondasam

dvpower wrote: »

They can and do do it in the Revenue. Do you doubt this?

The new system will allow for it to be used much more efficiently and open it up to be used on a much more widespread basis (as envisaged by the changes to the Fines Act), but this happens now, every day.

No I don't doubt it but was not aware they could take fines from your wages.
why the need for new legislation if it's in place all ready

alastair

Bullseye1 wrote: »

They won't be chasing people for €10. If they get people to pay the €100 they will be happy enough.

The people who have being paying by direct debit over four payments haven't paid in full yet. How could they justify fining people before those people have fully paid. Don't fall for the scare mongering. A time extension will be announced.

As is usual - incomplete payments will be returned as, eh, incomplete - from midnight the tenner is added on (not an optional extra).

Roverek

tayto lover wrote: »

Don't pay any attention to that post (no.9) as it's obviously created to suit an agenda and nothing to do with the thread.

You want hide away truth.

Frank Black

alastair wrote: »

The official figure is 1.65 million

Is that the total number or the total number less the ones that aren't liable?

thebostoncrab

The website is the buisiest tonight it has ever been, there are huge numbers registering for the charge. Before midnight you're looking at almost 800,000 at this rate.

And there will be no extension period. Come midnight it's a fine for late pay, simple as.

Ghandee

alastair wrote: »

The official figure is 1.65 million

The offical figure from a lying, cheating, u-turning Govt?

alastair

black francis wrote: »

Is that the total number or the total number less the ones that aren't liable?

That includes exempt and waiver households.

lugha

Bullseye1 wrote: »

They won't be chasing people for €10. If they get people to pay the €100 they will be happy enough.

The people who have being paying by direct debit over four payments haven't paid in full yet. How could they justify fining people before those people have fully paid. Don't fall for the scare mongering. A time extension will be announced.

It might be, but it would hardly be justified. There isn't a very good reason for someone who had intended to pay but couldn't be arsed doing it on time!

There is I suppose an unknown number who probably didn't feel to strong one way or the other about this charge and were going to pay but were waiting to see how things panned out. They might take the chance to save a couple of quid.

paddy147

thebostoncrab wrote: »

And there will be no extension period. Come midnight it's a fine for late pay, simple as.

And then Im a law breaker/criminal too.

MagicSean

thebostoncrab wrote: »

The website is the buisiest tonight it has ever been, there are huge numbers registering for the charge. Before midnight you're looking at almost 800,000 at this rate.

And there will be no extension period. Come midnight it's a fine for late pay, simple as.

i would say that there will be at least 1 million by the end of next week with delayed post and late payers.

Bullseye1

alastair wrote: »

As is usual - incomplete payments will be returned as, eh, incomplete - from midnight the tenner is added on (not an optional extra).

So your owed €110 and someone posts you €100 you return the cheque. Are you sure your working the private sector? LOL

emo72

thebostoncrab wrote: »

The website is the buisiest tonight it has ever been, there are huge numbers registering for the charge. Before midnight you're looking at almost 800,000 at this rate.

And there will be no extension period. Come midnight it's a fine for late pay, simple as.

how do you know how busy the website is? are you working in there?

Ghandee

thebostoncrab wrote: »

The website is the buisiest tonight it has ever been, there are huge numbers registering for the charge. Before midnight you're looking at almost 800,000 at this rate.

And there will be no extension period. Come midnight it's a fine for late pay, simple as.

Source?

Anyone

Will clear the 50% by tonight, and given that there will be loads of postal payments delivered on monday, I'd imagine the initial payers will be around 60%.

With this and the low turnout for the protest(arpx 5,000), it would appear that a majority(even grudgingly) have agreed to pay.

paddy147

alastair wrote: »

The official figure is 1.65 million

You know more than Phil Hogan then.