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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #122
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Yep,you are right,you know everything about the future,you even know what happanes to me in the future too.



    Are you the terminator by any chance??

    Tell me,whats its like in the year 2015???

    He's great, isn't he.
    Why can't we all be like alistair....


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    #123
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    alastair wrote: »
    You'll pay up when the demand comes through with late penalties attached. Or you'll delude yourself further that you don't have to pay, and you'll build up additional fines. You'll pay up in the end when they take it from you, or reality sinks in. The shaking in your shoes is purely optional.
    You are like a broken record. Scarie tactics does not work.Can you see it?


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    #124
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    dvpower wrote: »
    There is nothing in the Household Charge legislation that allows for automatic attachment orders, but, as I understand it, anyone prosecuted for non registration can be fined and have an attachment order made against them, for the payment of that fine, by a court, under the Fines Act 2010 (linky)
    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You are correct but not new legislation, an amendment to the Fines Act of 2010. It's surprising that it wasn't included originally.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/news/home-charge-fines-will-be-taken-from-pay-182712.html


    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=can%20fines%20be%20taken%20form%20wages%20ire&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnewspaper%2Fireland%2F2012%2F0308%2F1224313004730.html&ei=I2N3T-DRBYyzhAeVwO2ODQ&usg=AFQjCNHZUg2tsuO55p-ZxOzSwMaJbZz6Yw

    I would not be expecting this to be implemented just yet.


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    #125
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    alastair wrote: »
    You'll pay up when the demand comes through with late penalties attached. Or you'll delude yourself further that you don't have to pay, and you'll build up additional fines. You'll pay up in the end when they take it from you, or reality sinks in. The shaking in your shoes is purely optional.

    Why can you not accept that when people say the will not pay, they will notpay?
    Some people, non cowardly, people who truly believe in something, and will stick by their beliefs no matter what, over 60% of the population have rejected the hhc, but you still claim these folk are wrong, and your right?

    Give it up now Comical Ali.
    You put up a good fight, close but no cigar.

    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I wonder in the history of a Boards poll has there ever been one that reflects the real world? This one is shaping up to be way off kilter with reality as well.

    Your prediction of 58% compliance was way off kilter also.

    That is all.


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    #126
    steve9859
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    alastair wrote: »
    You'll pay up when the demand comes through with late penalties attached. Or you'll delude yourself further that you don't have to pay, and you'll build up additional fines. You'll pay up in the end when they take it from you, or reality sinks in. The shaking in your shoes is purely optional.

    That probably is true. But I'm not paying yet. Maybe in a few months or a year if they have started to pester me (the fines are really not that severe). If it takes a year for them to get, say, 90% of people to register, that is a years delay on the imposition of the full tax. If everyone paid today, I have no doubt we would have that new tax imposed within a year. So I am doing my bit to make the governments attempt to tax the country into oblivion a little more difficult than they had hoped.


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    #127
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Proper little dictatorship we're turning into now, aren't we?
    The current government are only a year in power, after having been elected with a huge majority. All of the polling shows that they still enjoy high levels of popularity.

    At some point, you are going to have to accept what is becoming increasingly clear - even with its unpopularity, this tax isn't going to be defeated.


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    #128
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Roverek wrote: »
    You are like a broken record. Scarie tactics does not work.Can you see it?

    I doubt anyone is scared, but the reality is that non-payers will be fined, and obliged to pay in the final analysis.


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    #129
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    Just watching the news on RTE,those they filmed paying were all pensioners.

    Sickened by Phil Hogan thanking those who payed for their "patriotism".Yeah,very patriotic having our money handed over to bondholders.


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    #130
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    dvpower wrote: »
    The current government are only a year in power, after having been elected with a huge majority. All of the polling shows that they still enjoy high levels of popularity.

    At some point, you are going to have to accept what is becoming increasingly clear - even with its unpopularity, this tax isn't going to be defeated.

    "We've always been at war with Eastasia"


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    #131
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    dvpower wrote: »
    How do you expect it to play out?

    I have no idea tbh but I would imagine they will give people another chance to pay before giving out fines.


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    #132
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    zerks wrote: »
    Just watching the news on RTE,those they filmed paying were all pensioners.

    Sickened by Phil Hogan thanking those who payed for their "patriotism".Yeah,very patriotic having our money handed over to bondholders.


    So the rebels who fought for and won this countries independence where and are patriots.:)

    But the modern day peacefull protesting/non complient rebels are not patriots.

    Nice one Phil.

    Foot...mouth,yet again.:rolleyes:


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    #133
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,946 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Why can you not accept that when people say the will not pay, they will not?



    Your prediction of 58% compliance was way off kilter also.

    That is all.

    What do you mean Was? The final figure will be available only when payments posted today and in the last few days are all delivered and recorded. These payments are quite properly deemed to be within time. Anyway what is the latest figure I was out most of the day?

    And thanks for having an especial interest in how my prediction pans out.


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    #134
    Le_Dieux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Le_Dieux


    :mad:Just watching the 9 'Clock news?

    So, Hogan, You say people are showing their patriotism by paying the HT?

    What utter sh1te. I'm as patriotic an Irishman as anyone, but I am ficked if I am paying a charge when
    a) I am self employed and have to pay PAYE while I get SFA in return if I go bust
    b) I live in an estate where the developer went bust 2 weeks but the effing CC didn't know until our Resident's Assoc. told them????? And in our estate there are houses looking out onto a derelict field which has UNSAFE fencing around it, AND concrete based foundations dug for some of the 50 houses the site is prepared for, AND a GAP in the fencing also. But the DOE decided that we MUST PAY. And when we enquire we are told we MUST pay this year and can seek a 'review' next year?

    NO FUC*ING WAY JOSE!

    Oh and as an aside ( though not related to the HT). Watched that Kenny speech. All well and good kissing asses in China, and we have ( supposedly) 50k Chinese here, but NO AIR LINK!!!

    Lock me up if You want but I am damned if I am paying!!!


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    #135
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,269 ✭✭✭emo72


    alastair wrote: »
    I doubt anyone is scared, but the reality is that non-payers will be fined, and obliged to pay in the final analysis.

    they tried to introduce a water tax over 10 years ago. it was scrapped. i told you this earlier. massive non payment.

    why are you so adamant that it cant happen again? absolutely no doubt in your mind? i could never be so convinced about anything. i admire the strength of your convictions. i have never encountered a person who was as sure as you.

    i salute you.


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    #136
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »
    So the rebels who fought for and won this countries independence where and are patriots.:)

    But the modern day peacefull protesting rebels are not patriots.

    Nice one Phil.

    Foot...mouth,yet again.:rolleyes:

    You're exactly like the revolutionaries of 1916, aren't you? What with the empty rhetoric on an internet forum and all.


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    #137
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hondasam wrote: »
    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=can%20fines%20be%20taken%20form%20wages%20ire&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CFoQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnewspaper%2Fireland%2F2012%2F0308%2F1224313004730.html&ei=I2N3T-DRBYyzhAeVwO2ODQ&usg=AFQjCNHZUg2tsuO55p-ZxOzSwMaJbZz6Yw

    I would not be expecting this to be implemented just yet.
    I'm not quite sure what that software system is, but its not necessary for attachment orders.
    Attachment orders are currently used on a routine and widespread basis in this country. The Revenue Commissioners have direct powers, that they use on a day to day basis, for the Collector General's office to apply attachment orders, on the instruction of a Principal Officer.

    Nobody needs to go to jail. Anyone who finds themselves in front of a court will pay the fine.


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    #138
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    steve9859 wrote: »
    That probably is true. But I'm not paying yet. Maybe in a few months or a year if they have started to pester me (the fines are really not that severe). If it takes a year for them to get, say, 90% of people to register, that is a years delay on the imposition of the full tax. If everyone paid today, I have no doubt we would have that new tax imposed within a year. So I am doing my bit to make the governments attempt to tax the country into oblivion a little more difficult than they had hoped.

    not sure what you mean, they've already committed to replacing the household charge with a property tax.


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    #139
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    emo72 wrote: »
    i have never encountered a person who was as sure as you.

    i salute you.


    But hes the terminator,he came back from the future and knows everything about all us mere mortal humans and what we all will do too.


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    #140
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    emo72 wrote: »
    they tried to introduce a water tax over 10 years ago. it was scrapped. i told you this earlier. massive non payment.

    Is this the one where people paid and were not refunded the money?


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    #141
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    emo72 wrote: »
    they tried to introduce a water tax over 10 years ago. it was scrapped. i told you this earlier. massive non payment.

    why are you so adamant that it cant happen again? absolutely no doubt in your mind? i could never be so convinced about anything. i admire the strength of your convictions. i have never encountered a person who was as sure as you.

    i salute you.

    Thanks. Yes - I'm extremely confident on this point.


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    #142
    steve9859
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    black francis wrote: »
    not sure what you mean, they've already committed to replacing the household charge with a property tax.

    But they wont until they have enough people registered. That's the point of this initial registration process.

    It will happen, I have no doubt. I'm just talking about delaying it for as long as possible


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    #143
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    What do you mean Was? The final figure will be available only when payments posted today and in the last few days are all delivered and recorded. These payments are quite properly deemed to be within time. Anyway what is the latest figure I was out most of the day?

    And thanks for having an especial interest in how my prediction pans out.

    776000 is the latest figure reported on RTE!


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    #144
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,269 ✭✭✭emo72


    hondasam wrote: »
    Is this the one where people paid and were not refunded the money?

    yes.


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    #145
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hondasam wrote: »
    I have no idea tbh but I would imagine they will give people another chance to pay before giving out fines.
    Anyone can go on to the website on Sunday morning and beyond and pay the charge. The interest and penalties will be €11 I think.


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    #146
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    You're exactly like the revolutionaries of 1916, aren't you? What with the empty rhetoric on an internet forum and all.


    By saying NO and standing up for what I believe in,Im doing my part as a patriot.

    Being a patriot and being patriotic to my country doesnt need to involve actual physical fighting.


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    #147
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    dxhound2005 wrote: »

    And thanks for having an especial interest in how my prediction pans out.



    Your very welcome. ;)


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    #148
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    steve9859 wrote: »
    But they wont until they have enough people registered. That's the point of this initial registration process.

    It will happen, I have no doubt. I'm just talking about delaying it for as long as possible

    Self registration isn't the only registration game in town. They're compiling an up-to-date database in parallel to this. Given the Deed of Sale and Stamp Duty databases, this won't be rocket science.


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    #149
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    dvpower wrote: »
    I'm not quite sure what that software system is, but its not necessary for attachment orders.
    Attachment orders are currently used on a routine and widespread basis in this country. The Revenue Commissioners have direct powers, that they use on a day to day basis, for the Collector General's office to apply attachment orders, on the instruction of a Principal Officer.

    Nobody needs to go to jail. Anyone who finds themselves in front of a court will pay the fine.

    Did you read the link? This system is needed to take money from wages and social welfare payments.
    If they could do with via the tax office there would be no need for this expensive system.
    ''Mr Shatter said he was putting the system for attachment orders in place even though the legislation for such fines was not yet published. There was “no sense” in installing the partial fines software and having to revisit it for attachment orders. If it was not in operation by autumn it would be in place by the end of the year, he added''

    Did you miss this piece?


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    #150
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »
    By saying NO and standing up for what I believe in,Im doing my part as a patriot.

    Being a patriot and being patriotic to my country doesnt need to involve actual physical fighting.

    or much in the way of awareness either. it seems.


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    #151
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    alastair wrote: »
    You're exactly like the revolutionaries of 1916, aren't you? What with the empty rhetoric on an internet forum and all.
    If the 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' campaign were anything like the revolutionaries of 1916, they would be having a 'Do Register, Don't Pay' campaign and standing up, not hiding away in the hope that the government don't catch up to them.


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