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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*
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Well to me that would say very clearly, it is not the principle, it is the money!robbie7730 wrote: »If all we had to do to comply with the tv licence law was to register, but pay nothing, those that dont pay now, would register.
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Well to me that would say very clearly, it is not the principle, it is the money!
Being taxed on your own home, is unfair to many. Thats the principle. The non liable ones dont have to pay. So what your saying is, by registering, they agree to a charge that they are not liable for.
Its all down to money. Taking money off people because they bought a home.0 -
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Firstly no one side has won or lost this household charge or what it should be really called the household registration charge fiasco!
Until the postal applications are opened and validated the number is still in the air – many contain a returned final notice (like mine)! A serious number of people have defied the government and it does not have to be the majority! Some may pay over time with a late payment fee but I doubt many will – many made their stand and will stick to it. Who knows what will happen when this charge increases, numbers paying may drop even further. The figures right now are irrelevant, majority or minority; either side will use them for their cause.
For the real property tax to come in, the government need the register of houses – that is the main goal. An incomplete register is useless to them, they need all to register out of the ~2million homes in Ireland as per census 2011 (less those exempt that they should be aware of – not big numbers). Using utility bills is useless, they need the owner. I also expect those in ghost estates, who registered for a waiver, will be in for a nice shock when they get a property tax bill in 2 years.
If the councils cannot enforce the NPPR charge (many not paying and no resources to follow up) what hope does this charge/tax have.
As for the shock tactics, you cannot sell your house until the bill is paid. Well for some that may be an issue in the short term, luckily I bought a house to live in for life so can worry about that in 50+ years when we are dead
I need my already taxed income to live, no use to me when dead. Who knows what will come, it may be abolished by the next government (think of water rates before). As far as I know the outstanding amount cannot be held against a house for more than 12 years so that is another nail in it (and if not I still don’t care)! I am NOT paying now or ever. Nothing will convince me that this is justifiable on my home and my family. No threat of fines, jail (they say not) or removal of services will convince me. I am at my limit of taxation; this is no different to an increase on income (I still lose either way). There is also nothing in the troika deal that mandates this as the government keep lying about. It is simply one of the options to gather more income, not mandatory.
If I knew that I would have to pay a rent on my home for life I would have rented – I cannot guarantee I can afford ~1k/year after retirement. Why are second homes not taxed to a serious level to cover primary homes? This should have been done years ago and would have seriously stemmed the property bubble. If second and subsequent homes costs 5k+ per year how many would have bought homes for investments/speculation! However unfair, this could easily be done now – take the hit, you speculated and now you are losing out just like the bondholders should. The principle home should be safeguarded.
And as far as the argument that other countries have this, so should we. This is such a lame argument, we can all list a whole slew of taxes we have that other countries don’t have. Never mind that fact that they get way more for that property/council charge (bins is just one item that bugs me that can cost several hundred Euro a year alone).
There is only one way to get us out of this mess and that is to CUT spending. The deficit is not going away simply on a household charge/property tax. Just like those who have unfortunately lost jobs, lost income (both private and public workers); to survive on this reduction they had to cut expenditure to live within their means. We now have FG, who promised this and that to get into power (who are no different to FF), afraid and weak to tackle this issue. Career politicians, who only see the luxurious pension(s) awaiting them. This should be the first item to tackle!
A humble opinion on this massive thread!0 -
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