Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

paddy147

black francis wrote: »

Why didn't you give the money to Crumlin?

I raised 300 euro for Crumlin Childrens Hospital at Christmass time.Its not much but its something and its all the little donations that count/add up to help save childrens lives.


That would also be 300 euro more than Enda Kenny gave them.

lugha

Ghandee wrote: »

Have you used the word 'us' in the context that your a member of the public, or a member of FG?.

As a member of the public, obviously. I am not a member of any political party. What possible sh*t can the public throw at a political party (that has any effect) other than to dismiss them at election time???

alastair

paddy147 wrote: »

That would also be 300 euro more than Enda Kenny gave them.

How would you possibly know that now?

Bullseye1

paddy147 wrote: »

I raised 300 euro for Crumlin Childrens Hospital at Christmass time.Its not much but its something and its all the little donations that count/add up to help save childrens lives.

Well done.

Ghandee

alastair wrote: »

Seemed pretty clear to me, but then I'm not prone to seeing blueshirts under the bed.

No, of course not.

Your more 'prone' to stare down your nose at us, whilst urging us, and attempting to scaremonger us, while in the next breath, admitting to not paying 'law of the land' taxes yourself.

Poll tax anyone?

Birroc

The people that paid that charge are cowardly sheep. I reckon they are now mostly ashamed.

Bullseye1

alastair wrote: »

How would you possibly know that now?

Rather than congratulating him on his fundraising achievement you raise this?

Frank Black

paddy147 wrote: »

I raised 300 euro for Crumlin Childrens Hospital at Christmass time.Its not much but its something and its all the little donations that count/add up to help save childrens lives.


That would also be 300 euro more than Enda Kenny gave them.

As our Taoiseach, I'd prefer he was off in China hustling for business rather than doing fun-runs.

Ghandee

lugha wrote: »

As a member of the public, obviously. I am not a member of any political party. What possible sh*t can the public throw at a political party (that has any effect) other than to dismiss them at election time???

Jeez, calm down.

I did type the word honestly after my question.

Thanks for clearing it up though.

gurramok

770,000 paid by 7pm, the numbers are soaring with 5 hours of counting(7pm-12am) to be released yet.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/protest-march-overshadows-taoiseachs-speech-545770.html

The Local Government Management Agency said an estimated 770,980 householders had paid the household charge by 7pm today. The deadline to register is midnight.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html#article

The majority of those liable(1.6m) paying is in sight yes?

paddy147

alastair wrote: »

How would you possibly know that now?

He is cutting back and taking funding away FFS.

Enda Kenny James O'Leary are ruthless when it comes to situations like this.:mad:

That is why the hospital is desperately trying to raise money from charity events to help save childrens lives.

If my small amount of 300 euro does something good in that hospital,along with all other small donations,then I am a happy man.

alastair

Ghandee wrote: »

No, of course not.

Your more 'prone' to stare down your nose at us, whilst urging us, and attempting to scaremonger us, while in the next breath, admitting to not paying 'law of the land' taxes yourself.

Poll tax anyone?

No bullying accusations then? Aww.

Like I've already said - I'm more than happy with my position on the poll tax, and my position on the household charge.

lugha

Birroc wrote: »

The people that paid that charge are cowardly sheep. I reckon they are now mostly ashamed.

Can sheep feel shame? Or cowardice?

It has to be said a lot of the "no" side seem to have a fixation on sheep. :P

alastair

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Rather than congratulating him on his fundraising achievement you raise this?

Fundraising you say?

FUNDRAISER: A BENEFIT dinner attended by Taoiseach Enda Kenny raised more than half a million dollars for the children’s medical research foundation at Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital, Crumlin, on Wednesday night.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0217/1224311918306.html

Frank Black

lugha wrote: »

It has to be said a lot of the "no" side seem to have a fixation on sheep. :P

and shills.

Bullseye1

Birroc wrote: »

The people that paid that charge are cowardly sheep. I reckon they are now mostly ashamed.

I wouldn't say that. There are people who genuinely believe they are contributing to reducing our deficit and of course their are those who would rather not have paid but are worried they would end up in court. There was a woman from the Citizens Information Centre on radio during the week explaining that alot of the elderly people where frightened that Enda and Phil were going to send the heavies around. I wouldnt resort to name calling to be honest.

paddy147

black francis wrote: »

As our Taoiseach, I'd prefer he was off in China hustling for business rather than doing fun-runs.

I wonder when we have to learn Chinese then.

Wonder when my Electric Ireland bill will be in Chinese??

Or when my Coilte grown Christamss tree will come with Chinese instructions for errecting it and watering it.

alastair

lugha wrote: »

Can sheep feel shame? Or cowardice?

It has to be said a lot of the "no" side seem to have a fixation on sheep. :P

I'm just disappointed that 'sheeple' hasn't been wheeled out more. It's always a classic.

Ghandee

gurramok wrote: »

770,000 paid by 7pm, the numbers are soaring with 5 hours of counting(7pm-12am) to be released yet.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/protest-march-overshadows-taoiseachs-speech-545770.html


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html#article

The majority of those liable(1.6m) paying is in sight yes?

I cant see the 7pm reference on RTE's piece, (didnt check the other link)

100,000 people to register in less than 2 hrs is pretty optimistic, no?

Bullseye1

alastair wrote: »

Fundraising you say?



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0217/1224311918306.html

Where did I say Enda didn't fundraise? I'm talking about the OPs achievement which you glossed over.

tayto lover

lugha wrote: »

Can sheep feel shame? Or cowardice?

It has to be said a lot of the "no" side seem to have a fixation on sheep. :P

I'm just eating roast lamb as I read that, honestly

paddy147

alastair wrote: »

Fundraising you say?



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0217/1224311918306.html

Did Enda arrange this fundraiser himself??

So how much did Enda pledge himself to Crumlin Childrens Hospital??

Enda likes his name to appear in the news when it comes to things like this (good PR).

So how much did he pledge then????

lugha

alastair wrote: »

I'm just disappointed that 'sheeple' hasn't been wheeled out more. It's always a classic.

Also, on a technical point. Seeing how the "yes" side (for a few more hours anyway ) are in the minority, how exactly are we the sheep? Aren't the sheep the ones that go with the majority of the flock?

Frank Black

Ghandee wrote: »

100,000 people to register in less than 2 hrs is pretty optimistic, no?

I'm hearing a little tremor in your voice Ghandee.

alastair

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Where did I say Enda didn't fundraise? I'm talking about the OPs achievement which you glossed over.

I was more impressed with the €100 steak dinner. €300 to Crumlin seems pretty scabby in that context.

Ghandee

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm just eating roast lamb as I read that, honestly

Roast Lamb On a Saturday night:eek:

That, along with Sky tv, pint of beer, internet connection, and eating taytos must be sacrificed to pay more Taxes Tayto, did you miss the memo?

thebostoncrab

It won't hit a million tonight. 800,000 will be hit by midnight. You have ALOT of people today just getting it done today and ALOT of people saying they are going to wait a few days after then jut pay the fine if it's not going away. In 7 days time it will be around the 1 million mark

alastair

lugha wrote: »

Also, on a technical point. Seeing how the "yes" side (for a few more hours anyway ) are in the minority, how exactly are we the sheep? Aren't the sheep the ones that go with the majority of the flock?

Maybe we're the black sheep?

lugha

tayto lover wrote: »

I'm just eating roast lamb as I read that, honestly

Your eating roast lamb at half ten at night??? Defo a subversive. :P

Frank Black

paddy147 wrote: »

So how much did Enda pledge himself to Crumlin Childrens Hospital??

Enda likes his name to appear in the news when it comes to things like this (good PR).

So how much did he pledge then????

Most people like to keep their charitable donations private.

It can be seen as uncouth to brag about them in public Paddy.

Bruthal

alastair wrote: »

No bullying accusations then? Aww.

Like I've already said - I'm more than happy with my position on the poll tax, and my position on the household charge.

But your reasons for not paying a tax are ok, but everyone elses are not. Its all me me me with you, isnt it??

Bullseye1

alastair wrote: »

I was more impressed with the €100 steak dinner. €300 to Crumlin seems pretty scabby in that context.

So your belittling the €300 raised? Your a nice chap altogether. Well done for revealing your true nature.

Ghandee

black francis wrote: »

I'm hearing a little tremor in your voice Ghandee.

Your really not Francis. Really not.

I've a beer open, ACDC's DVD is blaring through the tv, absolutely no tremor in my voice kid.

Happy as a pig in muck I am

tayto lover

lugha wrote: »

Your eating roast lamb at half ten at night??? Defo a subversive. :P

I'll keep you the big bone

Bruthal

Bullseye1 wrote: »

So your belittling the €300 raised? Your a nice chap altogether. Well done for revealing your true nature.

O that was revealed a fair while back.

Am Chile

One little thing no paper or radio show I have listened to recently has mentioned is the number of houses in the census recently published

For people who might of missed this little bit of information in the 2011 census published recently. It says that there are now 2,000,000 households in Ireland. Not the 1,800,000 according to the Government figures regarding the Household charge.

Below is a link to the census results. Scroll down to page 17. It shows an increase to 2,004,000 homes in Aprils census.

This changes completely the figures. And more importantly the percentages of compliance.

Housing

Total housing stock

Housing numbers (dwellings) have increased more rapidly than total population between 2006 and
2011, with a 13.3 per cent increase in dwellings compared with 8.1 per cent for the population. The

number of dwellings increased by 234,562 from 1,769,613 in 2006 to 2,004,175 in 2011,

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/Prelim%20complete.pdf

Whether you believe these figures they have being saying on different papers/radio shows is another debate, fact is out of that 2,004,175- over a million have not registered.

paddy147

alastair wrote: »

I was more impressed with the €100 steak dinner. €300 to Crumlin seems pretty scabby in that context.

Scabby??

300 euro raised is 300 euro more to Crumlin and the sick childrens well being.

No donation is refused by them,they are not greedy and they dont look at the amount,they are just very glad to get the donations/money.

I didnt realize that 300 euro raised by myself from my local area was or is scabby??

But it obviously is to you.

Fair play to you for knocking my fundraising effort for very sick kids.

You are a top man indeed.

Frank Black

Ghandee wrote: »

Your really not Francis. Really not.

I've a beer open, ACDC's DVD is blaring through the tv, absolutely no tremor in my voice kid.

Happy as a pig in muck I am

You need to turn the music down.

Reality's been knocking at your door for ages now.

alastair

robbie7730 wrote: »

But your reasons for not paying a tax are ok, but everyone elses are not. Its all me me me with you, isnt it??

Not really - it's you who's hung up on my decisions in relation to both.

Bullseye1

Didnt you get the memo. The official figure is 1.6 million. Those other 400,000 don't count.

Am Chile wrote: »

One little thing no paper or radio show I have listened to recently has mentioned is the number of houses in the census recently published

For people who might of missed this little bit of information in the 2011 census published recently. It says that there are now 2,000,000 households in Ireland. Not the 1,800,000 according to the Government figures regarding the Household charge.

Above is a link to the census results. Scroll down to page 17. It shows an increase to 2,004,000 homes in Aprils census.

This changes completely the figures. And more importantly the percentages of compliance.

Housing

Total housing stock

Housing numbers (dwellings) have increased more rapidly than total population between 2006 and
2011, with a 13.3 per cent increase in dwellings compared with 8.1 per cent for the population. The

number of dwellings increased by 234,562 from 1,769,613 in 2006 to 2,004,175 in 2011,

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/Prelim%20complete.pdf

Whether you believe these figures they have being saying on different papers/radio shows is another debate, fact is out of that 2,004,175- over a million have not registered.

lugha

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Didnt you get the memo. The official figure is 1.6 million. Those other 400,000 don't count.

In fairness, the no side seemed to accept the figure of 1.6 million, while they had a commanding lead. It is only in the last few hours when the sheep started to close in that this desperate search to extend the total number began.


Edit: Also, the number now is 790,000. So only 10K to go! Sure that's only the number of posts in part 1 of this thread!

alastair

Am Chile wrote: »

One little thing no paper or radio show I have listened to recently has mentioned is the number of houses in the census recently published

For people who might of missed this little bit of information in the 2011 census published recently. It says that there are now 2,000,000 households in Ireland. Not the 1,800,000 according to the Government figures regarding the Household charge.

Below is a link to the census results. Scroll down to page 17. It shows an increase to 2,004,000 homes in Aprils census.

This changes completely the figures. And more importantly the percentages of compliance.

Housing

Total housing stock

Housing numbers (dwellings) have increased more rapidly than total population between 2006 and
2011, with a 13.3 per cent increase in dwellings compared with 8.1 per cent for the population. The

number of dwellings increased by 234,562 from 1,769,613 in 2006 to 2,004,175 in 2011,

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/Prelim%20complete.pdf

Whether you believe these figures they have being saying on different papers/radio shows is another debate, fact is out of that 2,004,175- over a million have not registered.

THE URBAN population has hit an all-time high with more than 2.8 million people living in towns, according to the 2011 census.

...

In total, there were just under 1.65 million occupied permanent housing units – up 13 per cent since 2006.

Detached houses were the most popular type of home, accounting for 42 per cent of all housing units. Flats and apartments showed the largest increase, from 110,000 in 2006 to 150,000 in 2011, a 27 per cent increase.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0330/1224314099276.html

The country's housing stock grew to almost two million homes - but almost 290,000 were vacant on census night last April, up 27,880 since the 2006 census.

The highest proportion of empty homes were in the west, with 30pc of dwellings in Letrium vacant, followed by Donegal (28pc).

However the number of private households increase by 12.6pc since 2006 to 1.65 million.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/census-2011-marriage-splits-soar-population-grows-to-458m-in-latest-census-report-3066029.html

paddy147

Maybe Enda Kenny and all the FG ministers might put their hands into their pockets tonight at their Ard Fheis afters/pi55 up and raise some money for Crumlin Childrens Hospital.

Is that possible??

Ghandee

black francis wrote: »

You need to turn the music down.

Reality's been knocking at your door for ages now.

FG knocked on my door recently too, urging me to register online in an exempt estate, (of 200 houses or so)

He left with his tail between his legs though, you can bet your house on that one Francis.

Bruthal

alastair wrote: »

Not really - it's you who's hung up on my decisions in relation to both.

Point out where i posted about it before then mr final analysis:pac:

The biggest hypocrite i have seen on boards yet.

Am Chile

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Didnt you get the memo. The official figure is 1.6 million. Those other 400,000 don't count.

On rte radio during the week Paul Mcsweeny stated they actually don,t know the total numbers of houses, but anyone owns a house still has to register.

Frank Black

lugha wrote: »

In fairness, the no side seemed to accept the figure of 1.6 million, while they had a commanding lead. It is only in the last few hours when the sheep started to close in that this desperate search to extend the total number began.

It's quite funny, given the amount of times they accused RTE/the Goverenment of massaging the figures.

Bullseye1

lugha wrote: »

In fairness, the no side seemed to accept the figure of 1.6 million, while they had a commanding lead. It is only in the last few hours when the sheep started to close in that this desperate search to extend the total number began.

The point is there is 2 million homes as calculated by the Census Board unless they have made a huge mistake. If there is 2 million homes where have the 400,000 gone? Even if they are unoccupied they are still owned by developers/banks/Nama.

gerryo777

robbie7730 wrote: »

But your reasons for not paying a tax are ok, but everyone elses are not. Its all me me me with you, isnt it??

Don't rise to the little fella, I'm sure it won't be long before he's sent on another little holiday by one of the mods....

Bruthal

black francis wrote: »

It's quite funny, given the amount of times they accused RTE/the Goverenment of massaging the figures.

Whatever the figures are, thats what they are. No one seems to have a definite answer.