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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #1982
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    What for?
    I didn't bring anything up about the frontline program..

    You seem pretty convinced that it's a legitimate claim though - "Doesn't take much to expose alastair" and all that. So you're just mouthing off?


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    #1983
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    dvpower wrote: »
    Anyone who voted for FG or LAB in the last election in the expectation that senior bondholders were not going to be repaid is an idiot.

    I know that - but it took the FG/Lab voters a bit longer to realise they were idiots; they had to witness the destruction of the legitimacy of the Government first.

    Just because (you or I think) the democratic majority are idiots doesn't make them any less the democratic majority.

    Nor do the policies they voted against become the 'voice of the people' - as you tritely claimed in relation to the tax/spend balance.

    You have been hoist on your own petard my friend :cool:


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    #1984
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    You seem pretty convinced that it's a legitimate claim though - "Doesn't take much to expose alastair" and all that. So you're just mouthing off?

    It's actually on the RTE player and it was on Primetime, not the frontline program.
    Listen to your buddy phil.

    It's around the 13 minute 20 second mark.

    "this money goes into a local government fund where motor tax goes as well and it's all put into a pot and it's divvied out on an equalisation measure across the country"

    I can't put the link up for some reason but have a look yourself. It's available there until the 17th April.


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    #1985
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    No - according to everyone.

    In your little world.


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    #1986
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    dvpower wrote: »
    How do you come to the 1.8m figure for liable homes ?

    It was mentioned during the week. Trying to remember which show it was on.


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    #1987
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    These statements are completly at odds with one another.
    Thanks for clearing up the misinformation posted by jluv earlier, gerry.

    "this money goes into a local government fund where motor tax goes as well and it's all put into a pot and it's divvied out on an equalisation measure across the country"

    Phil Hogan stated on Frontline that this money would not be going to your LA but would go into the same pot as motor tax and be distributed as seen fit.


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    #1988
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    What exactly is an equalisation measure?

    Does that mean that if,say 50,000 pay up in Dublin and only 50 pay up in Cavan, that these two amounts are added up and divided by 2 and then 'divvied out'?

    Does it mean that all the money collected is added up and divided by the amount of LA's there are in the country?

    If that's the case, it's just another valid reason not to pay.


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    #1989
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Here ya go Gerry.

    "A pot".:rolleyes:

    'Solemn Undertaking"?:rolleyes: Like the bondholders? And the Seanad?

    Starts at 13:20

    http://www.rte.ie/player/#!v=1142456


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    #1990
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    It's actually on the RTE player and it was on Primetime, not the frontline program.
    Listen to your buddy phil.

    It's around the 13 minute 20 second mark.

    "this money goes into a local government fund where motor tax goes as well and it's all put into a pot and it's divvied out on an equalisation measure across the country"

    I can't put the link up for some reason but have a look yourself. It's available there until the 17th April.

    So it does go to local authorities?


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    #1991
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    MagicSean wrote: »
    So it does go to local authorities?
    It does.


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    #1992
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    dvpower wrote: »
    These statements are completly at odds with one another.
    Thanks for clearing up the misinformation posted by jluv earlier, gerry.

    I think what the previous poster was getting at was the fact that the exact amount collected in one local authority area will not all be given back to that LA.


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    #1993
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    dvpower wrote: »
    It does.

    It doesn't. It goes to the German Banks. :cool:


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    #1994
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    It's actually on the RTE player and it was on Primetime, not the frontline program.
    Listen to your buddy phil.

    It's around the 13 minute 20 second mark.

    "this money goes into a local government fund where motor tax goes as well and it's all put into a pot and it's divvied out on an equalisation measure across the country"

    I can't put the link up for some reason but have a look yourself. It's available there until the 17th April.

    That's not saying the same thing at all:
    this money goes into a local government fund

    As stated - 100% goes to local authority funding.


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    #1995
    dave malone
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    does anyone know how to upload a message. thanks


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    #1996
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I think what the previous poster was getting at was the fact that the exact amount collected in one local authority area will not all be given back to that LA.

    As opposed to what she actually posted?


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    #1997
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    So now it looks like not only will people who pay be carrying renters but also people in the larger urban areas will be carrying the smaller counties as well.


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    #1998
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I think what the previous poster was getting at was the fact that the exact amount collected in one local authority area will not all be given back to that LA.
    I'm just happy that we are now all agreed that it is going to fund local authorities and we can now finally put the 'its going to pay back bondholders' nonsence to bed.

    Wild Bill wrote: »
    It doesn't. It goes to the German Banks.
    Not you Bill - you carry on as usual.


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    #1999
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    dave malone wrote: »
    does anyone know how to upload a message. thanks

    If you are talking about a private message it's just copy and paste. But you should get the other persons permission first.


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    #2000
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »



    As stated - 100% goes to local authority funding.

    To replace the 110% (€170 million) they took from LA's in the budget to give to the unsecured secondary bondholders in anglo.


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    #2001
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    So now it looks like not only will people who pay be carrying renters but also people in the larger urban areas will be carrying the smaller counties as well.

    People will not be carrying renters because the landlord will be paying the charge for that property.


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    #2002
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    MagicSean wrote: »
    People will not be carrying renters because the landlord will be paying the charge for that property.

    The local authority will be paying itself for all it's tenants?


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    #2003
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    To replace the 110% (€170 million) they took from LA's in the budget to give to the unsecured secondary bondholders in anglo.

    I think you'll find that local authority funding has been cut by far more than €170 million - it's down about 30% over the last couple of years. That doesn't remove from the fact that this money goes 100% to local authorities. Newsflash - pretty much every area of public expenditure is down as well.


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    #2004
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    The local authority will be paying itself for all it's tenants?

    So when you said renters you actually meant people in LA housing? There's quite a difference there. One is much bigger than the other, but I'm sure you knew that.


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    #2005
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    The local authority will be paying itself for all it's tenants?

    I love the fact that you think that local authorities should take money from themselves to pay a charge that goes back to themselves. I thought you were all about minimising waste in the public sector? :rolleyes:


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    #2006
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Phil Hogans just released a video about how this money goes to the LA's, via a central fund, rather than the bondholders...........



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    #2007
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    I think what the previous poster was getting at was the fact that the exact amount collected in one local authority area will not all be given back to that LA.

    Indeed. The elephant in the room, so to speak.

    I've raised this several times, but DV, Al, and their ilk dnce around it and ignore it.

    Even if 15m households paid €500 PA Property tax, it will generate some €750m in revenue PER ANNUM. We are borrowing €400m PER WEEK. How long is this model sustainable before the whole house of cards collapses?


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    #2008
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    I love the fact that you think that local authorities should take money from themselves to pay a charge that goes back to themselves. I thought you were all about minimising waste in the public sector? :rolleyes:

    HOUSEHOLD charge Alastair?


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    #2009
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    It doesn't. It goes to the German Banks. :cool:

    Billy's gone a good few posts now without mentioning the Nazis.

    He deserves all our support as he closes in on double figures.

    We're all rooting for you Bill, you can do it!


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    #2010
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    black francis wrote: »
    Billy's gone a good few posts now without mentioning the Nazis.

    He deserves all our support as he closes in on double figures.

    We're all rooting for you Bill, you can do it!

    Bill, like myself, is one of the people around here grounded in reality. Unlike others.:rolleyes:


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    #2011
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Indeed. The elephant in the room, so to speak.

    Another elephant in the room?! Getting pretty crowded in there.


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