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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #2492
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Does anybody know how many are now claimed to be registered and paid?
    Also I'm surprised that non of the polloing companies has done a poll to see why people paid, as payment is being claimed the the Gov as agreement with the charge , or indeed patriotism.
    I oppose the charge and the manner in which it has been introduced, i paid but oppose it and hate the idea that by paying it I am being portrayed big Big Phil as "Patriotic" and in agreement with it.


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    #2493
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    was wondering something similar,livid, but im sure its a similar figure to those that didnt pay and claim they did.
    as for Hogan, you know what samuel johnston said about patriotism.................


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    #2494
    sonic85
    Registered Users Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭sonic85


    lividduck wrote: »
    Does anybody know how many are now claimed to be registered and paid?
    Also I'm surprised that non of the polloing companies has done a poll to see why people paid, as payment is being claimed the the Gov as agreement with the charge , or indeed patriotism.
    I oppose the charge and the manner in which it has been introduced, i paid but oppose it and hate the idea that by paying it I am being portrayed big Big Phil as "Patriotic" and in agreement with it.

    my household doesnt agree with this charge and hasnt paid. to be honest in my opinion you cant say i disagree with this charge but then pay it anyway. if you paid youre basically saying you agree with it.

    just my opinion of course but id say most other people who didnt pay would feel the same


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    #2495
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    sonic85 wrote: »
    my household doesnt agree with this charge and hasnt paid. to be honest in my opinion you cant say i disagree with this charge but then pay it anyway. if you paid youre basically saying you agree with it.

    just my opinion of course but id say most other people who didnt pay would feel the same
    Of course you can disagree with the law and obey it!
    people disagree with plenty of laws but reluctantly obey them, that doesn't mean that they are acting out of patriotism!
    I cannot believe that you are essentially arguing that everyone in this country who pays the TV licience agrees that it is just,fair, and set at an appropriate level!
    The reason i paid btw is that I foolishly listened to the anti bin charge people some years ago and refused to pay, when I sold my house in Ballinteer I had to pay a small fortune in upaid charges before the sale could go through, I learned my lesson the hard way, now i oppose things in other ways!


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    #2496
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    lividduck wrote: »
    Does anybody know how many are now claimed to be registered and paid?
    Also I'm surprised that non of the polloing companies has done a poll to see why people paid, as payment is being claimed the the Gov as agreement with the charge , or indeed patriotism.
    I oppose the charge and the manner in which it has been introduced, i paid but oppose it and hate the idea that by paying it I am being portrayed big Big Phil as "Patriotic" and in agreement with it.

    Thats ridiculous. Charges aren't meant to be popular. What kind of mentler is going to pay money to Irish politicians and be happy about it?

    My neighbours paid the charge and they don't agree with it or have any faith in the government that the money will be put to good use. They say they "just don't want the hassle of not paying it".

    Lame.


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    #2497
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,029 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    sonic85 wrote: »
    my household doesnt agree with this charge and hasnt paid. to be honest in my opinion you cant say i disagree with this charge but then pay it anyway. if you paid youre basically saying you agree with it.

    just my opinion of course but id say most other people who didnt pay would feel the same

    Should it be open to each household to form a view on what laws they will abide by? Is that a sound basis for law and order?


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    #2498
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Should it be open to each household to form a view on what laws they will abide by? Is that a sound basis for law and order?



    seems to work for some of the people making the laws DX...........


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    #2499
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    1. Yes I did - I told you about it - remember? I also pointed out that the poll tax was nothing like the household charge. Any confusion beyond this is your concern, not mine.

    No confusion then Alastair. You decided not to pay the Poll Tax in the UK because you disagreed with it. Then came over an lectured the rest f us about doing the same. As I said already, zero credibility.


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    #2500
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    seems to work for some of the people making the laws DX...........
    Indeed. One set for one lot and another set for the rest of us. And not just laws but business ethics and conditions.

    The private sector, as always, subject to market conditions, efficiencies, and profitability.

    The public Sector? Immune from all of it at the expense of the rest of us.

    What a joke shop of a Government and country.


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    #2501
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    I was told yesterday that NAMA are renting office space from failed developer Johnny Ronan?

    Is this country for real?? i mean seriously? The agency setup to get money back from him is actually paying him rent money?

    The entire running of this country is a joke.

    Another reason why i wont be giving more of my earned money to the wasters.


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    #2502
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Hijpo wrote: »
    I was told yesterday that NAMA are renting office space from failed developer Johnny Ronan?

    Is this country for real?? i mean seriously? The agency setup to get money back from him is actually paying him rent money?

    The entire running of this country is a joke.

    Another reason why i wont be giving more of my earned money to the wasters.

    Yea, that's true.
    The big flash office building is owned by treasury holdings, johnny's company who's debt's were taken over by nama and nama are paying rent on the office space.

    Bob Geldolf said it right, BANANA REPUBLIC / SEPTIC ISLE.

    Have a read of this and see if it sounds familiar.

    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CFUQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBanana_republic&ei=ZR6DT5XLL8i1hAeDoumcBw&usg=AFQjCNH8p_U52AflhKlvL-hhbTHT_8MhFA&sig2=VIjgPScTRCZpRJLTpjVT3A


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    #2503
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,029 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Indeed. One set for one lot and another set for the rest of us. And not just laws but business ethics and conditions.

    The private sector, as always, subject to market conditions, efficiencies, and profitability.

    The public Sector? Immune from all of it at the expense of the rest of us.

    What a joke shop of a Government and country.

    You're waiting for it all to be fixed to your satisfaction before you obey the law. Or maybe that calamity which you keep predicting will engulf us all will happen next week.


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    #2504
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Hijpo wrote: »
    I was told yesterday that NAMA are renting office space from failed developer Johnny Ronan?

    Is this country for real?? i mean seriously? The agency setup to get money back from him is actually paying him rent money?

    The entire running of this country is a joke.

    Another reason why i wont be giving more of my earned money to the wasters.
    Do you think that NAMA should only rent office space from landlords whose debts aren't on their books?

    And should the NTMA have moved out of the Treasury Building when Treasury Holdings' debt was transferred to NAMA? :eek:

    I don't think you've really thought it through.


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    #2505
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    Well, wtf are they renting it for at 20,000 a week?

    Id rather government agencies didnt deal with scamsters, or are they looking after each other?

    Are you ok with them giving a scammer your tax?

    They also spent €825,000 to "make improvements" to Johnnys "newly built" premises.

    Will ye ever wake up and open yer eyes to whats going on here.


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    #2506
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Hijpo wrote: »
    Well, wtf are they renting it for at 20,000 a week?
    Do you think 20k a week is too much? Why? What should they be paying for that office space, and why?
    Hijpo wrote: »
    Id rather government agencies didnt deal with scamsters, or are they looking after each other?
    So you do want the NTMA and NAMA to move out of the building, right?
    Do you also want every other state body to move out of office space that is with NAMA? That sounds a bit mad, doesn't it?
    Hijpo wrote: »
    Are you ok with them giving a scammer your tax?
    I wouldn't be happy with that at all.
    Are you under the impression that every developer whose debts are with NAMA is a scammer? Or just Johnny Ronan? Why?
    Hijpo wrote: »
    They also spent €825,000 to "make improvements" to Johnnys "newly built" premises.
    I presume fitting out costs for the NTMA and/or NAMA? That wouldn't be at all unusual. My own company leased some office space recently and spent a small fortune configuring the place to our requirements.
    Hijpo wrote: »
    Will ye ever wake up and open yer eyes to whats going on here.
    Angry poster spouting off without thinking stuff through. I can see that.


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    #2507
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭jluv


    Has anyone else noticed how quiet it's gone here since some folks got banned:pac:
    A pity in a way..I've enjoyed this thread for a while now.While emotional sometimes:rolleyes:it was also very entertaining sometimes:)


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    #2508
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    We all need a break for awhile, it's just going round in circles anyway but I enjoy it.


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    #2509
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    You're waiting for it all to be fixed to your satisfaction before you obey the law. Or maybe that calamity which you keep predicting will engulf us all will happen next week.

    Tick tock. It's heading straight for you. And you don't even realise it.


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    #2510
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    hondasam wrote: »
    We all need a break for awhile, it's just going round in circles anyway but I enjoy it.

    Alastair and robbie defo need a break unreal two people can waffle for so long bout this little charge


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    #2511
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    dvpower wrote: »
    Do you think 20k a week is too much? Why? What should they be paying for that office space, and why?


    So you do want the NTMA and NAMA to move out of the building, right?
    Do you also want every other state body to move out of office space that is with NAMA? That sounds a bit mad, doesn't it?


    I wouldn't be happy with that at all.
    Are you under the impression that every developer whose debts are with NAMA is a scammer? Or just Johnny Ronan? Why?


    I presume fitting out costs for the NTMA and/or NAMA? That wouldn't be at all unusual. My own company leased some office space recently and spent a small fortune configuring the place to our requirements.


    Angry poster spouting off without thinking stuff through. I can see that.
    DV, we have 600 government quangos in this country!!....do we need them all?....explain to me why?...thanks in advance for your detailed reply


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    #2512
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Alastair and robbie defo need a break unreal two people can waffle for so long bout this little charge

    we are all guilty of it tbf, it's not just those two.


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    #2513
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Alastair and robbie defo need a break unreal two people can waffle for so long bout this little charge
    it won't be little for long, it will increase by 500% to 1000% next year...or maybe more....and it certainly ain't little if you have difficulty scraping €100 together


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    #2514
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Izzy Skint wrote: »
    donalg1 wrote: »
    Alastair and robbie defo need a break unreal two people can waffle for so long bout this little charge
    it won't be little for long, it will increase by 500% to 1000% next year...or maybe more....and it certainly ain't little if you have difficulty scraping €100 together

    Speculation really saying it will increase by 500 or 1000 % next year so far nothing has been shown here to back this up. The property tax will obviously be more but until we know how it's calculated it's really all just speculation. I had difficulty getting the €100 together but managed it as I had three months to do it so wasn't too bad really


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    #2515
    jluv
    Registered Users Posts: 3,719 ✭✭✭jluv


    I disagreed with Alistair on everything he said but thats what made for good debate:(


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    #2516
    Hijpo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Hijpo


    dvpower wrote: »
    Do you think 20k a week is too much? Why? What should they be paying for that office space, and why?

    yes i think 20k a week is to much to be giving a chap that your trying to get money from in the first place.
    dvpower wrote: »
    So you do want the NTMA and NAMA to move out of the building, right?
    Do you also want every other state body to move out of office space that is with NAMA? That sounds a bit mad, doesn't it?

    Well its obviously to late now, but why didnt they move into office space that they seized? there was only 200 or so employed by nama when it was set up, surely the government have office space for 200 until they had found a bigger seized property to move in and expand?
    dvpower wrote: »
    I wouldn't be happy with that at all.
    Are you under the impression that every developer whose debts are with NAMA is a scammer? Or just Johnny Ronan? Why?
    you "wouldnt be happy"? you either are happy to give these people your money to squander or your not, this is actually happening as we speak its not some "what if" story dreamt up by conspiracy theorists. You do pay taxes dont you? are you happy with what its being spent on?
    No i dont think all nama debts are those of scammers, it would be wrong to presume so, but how do you run up 1.7bn in loans most of which have defaulted if your not scamming somebody?
    dvpower wrote: »
    I presume fitting out costs for the NTMA and/or NAMA? That wouldn't be at all unusual. My own company leased some office space recently and spent a small fortune configuring the place to our requirements.
    Its an office space, surely it was ready to accomodate offices? unless it was just a space and they had to fit it all out themselfs in which case whats the point in moving into a building that doesnt cater to your needs in the first place? 825k is reasonable? you wouldnt spend that if you were turning an abattoir into a creche.
    dvpower wrote: »
    Angry poster spouting off without thinking stuff through. I can see that.
    Had to get a little dig in didnt you :rolleyes:
    Speculation really saying it will increase by 500 or 1000 % next year
    I understand where your coming from that its all speculation, but i find it very difficult to trust this government and without them laying down exactly how much this will cost and how long it will be before they increase it and to what it will be increased by it just leaves to many doors open for them to do what they like.


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    #2517
    Izzy Skint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Izzy Skint


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Speculation really saying it will increase by 500 or 1000 % next year so far nothing has been shown here to back this up. The property tax will obviously be more but until we know how it's calculated it's really all just speculation. I had difficulty getting the €100 together but managed it as I had three months to do it so wasn't too bad really
    all speculation of course i agree. But look at it this way, if everyone paid this (i myself have not paid) then it would raise €160m....that is approximately 2 - 3 days deficit taken care of !!!...think about it, that is not what we are spending in 2/3 days, that is how much we are OVERSPENDING BY in 2/3 days!!!!!.....so we have to ask where do they (government) want to go with this?....why all this trouble for €160m?....
    ok, so if it went up to say €500 a year (there's your 500% increase) then that would raise €800m, a large amount of money but that would still only cover the overspend for 2 weeks !! ...so that leaves 50 weeks of deficit to be taken care of!!!....
    so once again we have to ask ourselves again, where do the government really want to go with this?....my opinion is that they would be looking at raising€1.5b - €2b annually from this!! ...they said they were looking for steady, reliable tax raising methods and this is one of them !!.
    all my opinion, but, would anything less really be worth the trouble, anger, hardship etc. that it will cause ??......and it is still only a drop in our ocean of debt.!


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    #2518
    slapstick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26 ✭slapstick


    how long till alastair is allowed out again ? i miss him


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    #2519
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Phil Hogan is very quiet these days.

    Has he run out of useless threats and absolute shyte talk then???:D


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    #2520
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Phil Hogan is very quiet these days.

    Has he run out of useless threats and absolute shyte talk then???:D

    Quiet until the fiscal treaty referendum is passed.
    Can't afford to annoy the natives too much until then.
    After that the craic will start.......


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    #2521
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    I cannot believe that the same posters (between bans) are still rehashing the same arguments after 13,000 posts!

    What is the boards.ie record for a thread/topic?


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