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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*
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Can you demonstrate that their expense allowances were increased AFTER their pay was cut and that these increases offset their pay loss? Thanks.tayto lover wrote: »Then they all gave themselves sneaky rises in allowances to make up for it and told nobody, laundry etc
As do we all. Happily the bullies in this case are just a figment of your imagination.tayto lover wrote: »Jaysus i hate bullies.
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Semantics Freddie. There is a difference between influence and authority. The IMF certainly have the former in our affairs, they do not have the latter. They may dictate when and how PS matters will be addressed but it WILL be the government who do the implementing. Ah ya gotta laugh at the sheer naivety of it.
BTW, why do you expect the IMF will be in any rush to sort out the PS given that the more we borrow from them, the more interest they will make on those loans?
BTW 2, had you a chance to devise an answer to my question as to what you would have done about the 20 billion deficit?
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Semantics Freddie. There is a difference between influence and authority. The IMF certainly have the former in our affairs, they do not have the latter. They may dictate when and how PS matters will be addressed but it WILL be the government who do the implementing.
BTW, why do you expect the IMF will be in any rush to sort out the PS given that the more we borrow from them, the more interest they will make on those loans?
BTW 2, had you a chance to devise an answer to my question as to what you would have done about the 20 billion deficit?
Reality Lugha.. The IMF are running the show. And will do so for a long time to come. The government are their lapdog. I think that photo on Inda with Sarkozy said it all. They haven't really bared their teeth yet. But they will.
I've told the answer several times over - if a collapse of income happened in a private sector company, there would be immediate redundancies and swinging pay cuts. And "allowances" would be a thing of the past.
Apparently, the Public Sector appears to think that it is immune from all this for some reason or other.:rolleyes:
The real world is a very different place. Welcome to it.0 -
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I find it ironic that because I am not a tax dodger or a freeloader I am now expected to pay a charge, that real tax dodgers and freeloaders who have already benefitted from my tax compliance ,are exempt fromblack francis wrote: »Reported on Newstalk that over 8000 people registered and paid yesterday alone.
Looks like my previous prediction of 80% compliance within 3 years was overly pessimistic.
Then it will be a relatively simple matter to make an example of some of the remaining hardcore tax dodgers and free loaders.
The rest will soon fall into line.
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That issue has been brought up repeatedly.
People have complained about various "gravy trains", quangos, waste,government advisers, etc.
All the things that the Government promised to tackle - and didn't.
I am also using this as a protest against the arrogant, domineering attitude of some Government ministers.
They need to understand that the are the servants of the people - not their overlords.
All of this would seem to confirm what I said, that the protest is as much or more about kicking the government as it is about the HHC itself. I would suggest that people use the ballot box to express their dissatisfaction with the government.I do not accept a tax on my home.
This is evoking the argument that there is something fundamentally abhorrent about a household charge / property tax. The difficulty here is that it is difficult to make a convincing case for this stance when most other countries have such a charge.
I am not saying we simply ape what others do, but the fact that this is a routine charge elsewhere would suggest that it only appears abhorrent because people are not used to it. We will get a similar line when the water charge is brought in (“Sure it never stops raining in Ireland FFS!”)IMO, if they fail to address the upsurge of anger about this tax - then they will certainly weaken themselves.
I don’t see a middle ground. They either crack on with this charge or they abandon it. And if the latter happens they will probably become a lame duck government. Not good for anyone!
(well , except the PS unions, terrific result for them!)The people have given a very clear indication of their mood regarding this tax. It is up to the Government to address that.
I don’t think it is clear. The no side like to say half (and falling!) of the people are opposed. But that makes very strong assumptions as to why people did not register.I think you'd better check again. More than Phil Hogan refused to have their pay cut.
I did not suggest that he was the only one. I am pointing out that that the cut Phil refused to take was a voluntary one which virtually no one other than some politicians (and you are right, some of the judiciary) took.0 -
The IMF are running the show. And will do so for a long time to come. The government are their lapdog.
This is not the point of disagreement between us. What you say is substantially the case. However, it will be the government and not the IMF who must implement the change. I think the IMF will be more or less content to indicate the net result they want and leave the details of how to achieve that to the government. And a weak government will make that task more difficult
If you insist that the IMF have authority in Ireland why is it big Phil and not Christine La Garde, or one of her delegates, implementing the HHC?I've told the answer several times over - if a collapse of income happened in a private sector company, there would be immediate redundancies and swinging pay cuts. And "allowances" would be a thing of the past.
Indeed you did tell us all, far more than several times!
But that is not what I asked you. I asked how would you have dealt with the 20 billion deficit that emerged 4 years ago? Would have had no IMF / ECB as part of the solution and gone for an instant correction? And if yes, do you think the economy would survive that kind of impact?
And you didn’t address my question as to why everyone thinks the IMF will “sort out” the PS. And it is a genuine question. It would seem to me that the IMF would be fairly happy to let that little train run for as long as possible? No doubt I am missing something? :cool:0 -
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Murder=household chargeSure why not burn down a few hospitals and say you did it because you don't agree with the law banning murder. If we all start jumping on the civil disobedience bandwagon, we'll get nowhere. Look at Greece.
The government have made a huge mess of this, granted, and yes it's a silly and unfair tax. But that's only my opinion and they are the democratically elected government. The PEOPLE gave them the power to make laws on our behalf and it's not like a property tax was a big secret before they ran for office.
And as for Joan Collins TD and others encouraging people to break the law - this should warrant IMMEDIATE dismissal from her job. A parliamentarian beign allowed to walk the streets encouraging people to ignore the laws made by the house in which she sits is a recipe for anarchy.
Paying tax is a law which was always there.The people did not elect politicians that they expected to try to introduce anything in an underhanded way.I know property taxes are coming. It's the unfair system that they have put in place to get this registration is what I oppose.
And I just want to set the record straight by saying I have weighed up this decision by myself. I have not been influenced by anyone else.
This tax has put (IMO) an upstanding,previously unquestioning tax paying citizen in a very compromising situation.0 -
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Sure why not burn down a few hospitals and say you did it because you don't agree with the law banning murder. If we all start jumping on the civil disobedience bandwagon, we'll get nowhere. Look at Greece.
Eh?
Burn down a hospital because murders are banned
The pro tax crowd were doing ok before your input.
Trust me:rolleyes:0 -
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