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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*
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I find it ironic that because I am not a tax dodger or a freeloader I am now expected to pay a charge, that real tax dodgers and freeloaders who have already benefitted from my tax compliance ,are exempt from
Well said!
But the pro taxers on here don't mind that, we'll just keep pouring the gravy for them!
They'll have to do without this €100 though.0 -
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This is not the point of disagreement between us. What you say is substantially the case. However, it will be the government and not the IMF who must implement the change. I think the IMF will be more or less content to indicate the net result they want and leave the details of how to achieve that to the government. And a weak government will make that task more difficult
Puppets, lugha, puppets.:)If you insist that the IMF have authority in Ireland why is it big Phil and not Christine La Garde, or one of her delegates, implementing the HHC?
I refer you to the answer above.Indeed you did tell us all, far more than several times!
But that is not what I asked you. I asked how would you have dealt with the 20 billion deficit that emerged 4 years ago? Would have had no IMF / ECB as part of the solution and gone for an instant correction? And if yes, do you think the economy would survive that kind of impact?
Can the economy survive 400m a week borrowings? Economics would dictate no. As I already explained, expenditure cannot exceed income. This is basic stuff Lugha. It's going to happen. It's only a case of when.And you didn’t address my question as to why everyone thinks the IMF will “sort out” the PS. And it is a genuine question. It would seem to me that the IMF would be fairly happy to let that little train run for as long as possible? No doubt I am missing something? :cool:
Yes. You're missing lots!:D I don't care who they are - NO-ONE will keep funding us to the tune of €400m a week. That train will derail. And very soon.0 -
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Can the economy survive 400m a week borrowings? Economics would dictate no. As I already explained, expenditure cannot exceed income.
Yes, that very neatly summarises what the problem is and why it has to be resolved. My question to you relates to how the problem should be solved and what if any are the risks with your particular solution.
So once again, would you have gone for an instant 20 billion adjustment to the economy when the crisis began and are satisfied that this would not have done substantially more harm than good? I don’t think you have thought your solution through, you just keep telling is what the problem is and why is needs to be solved but are shy on details, or rather the consequences, of your particular solution.
You are like a farmer whose virtuous and productive private sector crops are being ravaged by the parasitic and unproductive public sector weeds. So Farmer Freddie is going to take action.
FF: “We can’t continue as we are with 400 new weeds appearing every week. The problem must be tackled”
Agreed.
FF: “If I get me some weed killer and go to work on your wasteful public sector ass, the weed problem will be soon fixed”
Well yes, but have you thought your solution through?
FF: “We simply cannot continue with 400 new weeds appearing every week!”
But is there not a possible side effect to your particular solution. I.e. the impact on your virtuous crops?
FF: “How long so you think we can tolerate 400 new weeds appearing every week!”
Ah right......
So how are things with you Freddie?
FF: “rant rant rant 400 EVERY week”
And the wife and family?
FF: “rant rant rant 400 EVERY week”
Do you think Trap will start Shane Long up front this Summer?
FF: “rant rant rant 400 EVERY week”
BTW Can I congratulate yourself and your fellow Waterford patriots for your cheering guard of honour in the Deise last night for Kilkenny’s finest, big Phil! You must be very proud! :pac:0 -
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dark crystal wrote: »She was elected to represent her constituents, not just blindly follow orders and never question measures brought in by the sitting government. There are enough politicians blindly toeing the party line as it is.
I wish there were more like her, frankly.
I don’t think anyone expects an opposition TD to “never question measures brought in by the sitting government”. Indeed her job is precisely the opposite; as the label suggest, she should oppose. Constructive opposition would be nice but we don’t tend to get that in Ireland, from any political party it should be said.
However, I think any opposition should have an overall plan to deal with any problem and some of us are not convinced that those in the ULA really do have a plan.
The oppose any further burden (taxes or cuts) being placed on the people (public or private sector) as the “crisis was not their fault”. So the IMF / ECB will be sent off with their tail between their legs.
So what do we do about our massive budget deficit? How do we replace the massive volume of money that was around during the unprecedented building bubble? Presumably, they don’t favour re-inflating the bubble so they opt instead for the tried and tested solution (that never works!), tax the rich!
But lets suppose they are going to try to make it work. They won’t be getting much by taxing cash deposits as they will be gone out of the country before you can say “eat the rich” once such a tax is proposed.
So instead they will have to try to tax the assets that cannot be moved; you know, like property. Hey, lets introduce a property tax! Oh wait, there agin that too!
If you are impressed by everything a politician has to say on every aspect of any particular issue then I would say you are listening to a spoofer.
As a general rule for a politician in government I think you should be opposed to about half or more of everything they do! If they are more popular than that then they are almost certainly not doing their job properly. Granted Bertie Ahern did get over 50% approval ratings as Taoiseach at times but that was achieved by pursuing populist rather then sensible policies. And I think we can agree that that did not end well. 0 -
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Yes, that very neatly summarises what the problem is and why it has to be resolved. My question to you relates to how the problem should be solved and what if any are the risks with your particular solution.
So once again, would you have gone for an instant 20 billion adjustment to the economy when the crisis began and are satisfied that this would not have done substantially more harm than good? I don’t think you have thought your solution through, you just keep telling is what the problem is and why is needs to be solved but are shy on details, or rather the consequences, of your particular solution.
You are like a farmer whose virtuous and productive private sector crops are being ravaged by the parasitic and unproductive public sector weeds. So Farmer Freddie is going to take action.
FF: “We can’t continue as we are with 400 new weeds appearing every week. The problem must be tackled”
Agreed.
FF: “If I get me some weed killer and go to work on your wasteful public sector ass, the weed problem will be soon fixed”
Well yes, but have you thought your solution through?
FF: “We simply cannot continue with 400 new weeds appearing every week!”
But is there not a possible side effect to your particular solution. I.e. the impact on your virtuous crops?
FF: “How long so you think we can tolerate 400 new weeds appearing every week!”
Ah right......
So how are things with you Freddie?
FF: “rant rant rant 400 EVERY week”
And the wife and family?
FF: “rant rant rant 400 EVERY week”
Do you think Trap will start Shane Long up front this Summer?
FF: “rant rant rant 400 EVERY week”
BTW Can I congratulate yourself and your fellow Waterford patriots for your cheering guard of honour in the Deise last night for Kilkenny’s finest, big Phil! You must be very proud! :pac:
Well, considering its a FG/Lab "council" operating a Mayoral pact its not really surprising. Some of us aren't down in the gutter with them.:)
That €400m:) a week sticks in your craw - doesn't it? Delighted that it's so.:D
Much as you and yours want to dance around it, there is no escaping it. You - and people like you - have been asked how log that this country can sustain it. You cannot answer - because you know what the outcome is going to be very shortly.
A withdrawal of part - or the majority of - that funding. Which is being borrowed to keep one section of the population in the luxury to which they have become accustomed (and feel that they are "entitled to") in some strange way. And which the rest of us are expected to pay for through inane attempts like the "household charge".
I like your example of the parasites attacking the crops though. Couldn't have put it better myself.:)0 -
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