Seen & Found

Simon.d

bawn79 wrote: »

Great stuff Simon- where did this description come from?

Unfortunately in my opinion a souterain could look a lot like a passage tomb.

Souterains are also especially located near Lios's.

There's two references I was originally looking into, one seeming to be a Souterrain (described by Ryland in the early 19th century) and the other a Cist burial with gold bracelet, urns, cairn and standing stone (mentioned by Smith and others in the early to mid 18th century). Both mentioned proximity to the same country seat (Whitfield), which got me wondering were they related.. But now turns out they probably weren't with the Souterrain likely to be iron-age, and cist burial potentially early bronze age going on the style of bracelet found...

Just wondering now how to classify the bronze age feature.... Round Barrow/Cairn? Any other known examples with standing stone on top of a cairn/barrow? etc etc... May go hunting for cropmarks come summer time if there's likely to have been ditches dug around the feature..

This seems to be the closest depiction I've found that matches the description... Standing stone may have been added by some later community...

bawn79

Simon.d wrote: »

Just wondering now how to classify the bronze age feature.... Round Barrow/Cairn? Any other known examples with standing stone on top of a cairn/barrow? etc etc... May go hunting for cropmarks come summer time if there's likely to have been ditches dug around the feature..

Sorry Simon - I did a quick skim through your evidence and I obviously didn't take it up right - thought there was just one monument.

As for a barrow with a standing stone on top - here is one in Tipperary. I wouldn't think they were that uncommon.

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/9196/garraun.html

And of course Longstone on the Tipp / Limerick border.

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/7744/longstone.html

From a constructability point of view - in my opinion - the standing stone would be likely to fall if it was on top of a barrow as its foundation would be the barrow itself which if not compacted wouldn't be of the best structurally.

Simon.d

Any thoughts on these cropmarks in Ballinamona, Waterford.. Didn't think much of them until I noticed the same feature was present on both Bing and Google maps..

https://www.google.ie/maps?ll=52.210611,-7.109415&spn=0.001913,0.004619&t=h&z=18

http://binged.it/1b8Unat

There was a castle in the townland, though it's thought by the NMS that it was on the site of the present Ballinamona House.

"Description: Situated on a slight E-facing slope. Ballinamona House, a four bay, two storey over basement 18th century house that was rebuilt after a fire in 1894 is thought to have been built on the site of a castle that was built in 1488, but there is no documentation (Bence-Jones 1975, 17-18). A single wall in the basement (L c. 6m; T c. 1m) with a base-batter is thought to be from the castle."

slowburner

Simon.d wrote: »

Any thoughts on these cropmarks in Ballinamona, Waterford.. Didn't think much of them until I noticed the same feature was present on both Bing and Google maps..

https://www.google.ie/maps?ll=52.210611,-7.109415&spn=0.001913,0.004619&t=h&z=18

http://binged.it/1b8Unat

There was a castle in the townland, though it's thought by the NMS that it was on the site of the present Ballinamona House.

"Description: Situated on a slight E-facing slope. Ballinamona House, a four bay, two storey over basement 18th century house that was rebuilt after a fire in 1894 is thought to have been built on the site of a castle that was built in 1488, but there is no documentation (Bence-Jones 1975, 17-18). A single wall in the basement (L c. 6m; T c. 1m) with a base-batter is thought to be from the castle."

Some, but not all of those cropmarks can be attributed to field fences (see the OSI 1st ed.).
The smaller rectilinear feature may be a sub-enclosure built into the earlier fences.
In the field immediately south of the house there are similar rectilinear cropmarks visible on the OSI 2000. The same situation regarding field fences applies.
Worth a look all the same or needs 'ground truthing'...as they say

Simon.d

slowburner wrote: »

Some, but not all of those cropmarks can be attributed to field fences (see the OSI 1st ed.).
The smaller rectilinear feature may be a sub-enclosure built into the earlier fences.
In the field immediately south of the house there are similar rectilinear cropmarks visible on the OSI 2000. The same situation regarding field fences applies.
Worth a look all the same or needs 'ground truthing'...as they say

Could well be.. Another point about that feature is the monumental listing of a Tower folly in the woods imediately adjacent.. There's a loose reference to the tower as being built on the site of a "Danish Tower"...

There's another faint circular here ( http://binged.it/1bTOTim ) , that again is discernible on Google..

Jakub25

Here some more unrecorded national monuments.



http://goo.gl/maps/xUWw8

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Earthworks


http://goo.gl/maps/zZn0k

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Probably unidentified bulding,
only foundations are visible, what you think?


More enclosures around Rowan

http://goo.gl/maps/HQ53f

http://goo.gl/maps/szHpa

http://goo.gl/maps/L2AqC

http://binged.it/1bp3zYh ---- - Possibly moated site and enclosure

http://binged.it/1bWQfFu

http://binged.it/1bWQ6Sv

Simon.d

Jakub25 wrote: »

Here some more unrecorded national monuments.



http://goo.gl/maps/xUWw8

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Earthworks


http://goo.gl/maps/zZn0k

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Probably unidentified bulding,
only foundations are visible, what you think?


More enclosures around Rowan

http://goo.gl/maps/HQ53f

http://goo.gl/maps/szHpa

http://goo.gl/maps/L2AqC

http://binged.it/1bp3zYh ---- - Possibly moated site and enclosure

http://binged.it/1bWQfFu

http://binged.it/1bWQ6Sv

Impressive work there Jakub... You should email on all those links to nationalmonuments@ahg.gov.ie and get them protected...

cfuserkildare

Hi Jakub 25,

The findings around Clonee are part of a chain I have been following and mentioned them in an earlier post.

I think they are evidence of a road that stretches from Malahile or Swords area all the way to possibly Ennis.

12 element

Coles wrote: »

Any thoughts on what process causes a mark such as the one running through these fields (the wide swath running roughly west to east). Pipeline works of some sort?

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,700279,753455,6,0

This is a buried gas pipeline.

randomperson12

i find tons of ringforts in my area that are unamed and what does lisdabilla mean

bawn79

randomperson12 wrote: »

i find tons of ringforts in my area that are unamed and what does lisdabilla mean

Hi random,

If they are not included on the archaeology.ie map then it might be worth reporting them to the Archaeological Survey of Ireland here
http://www.archaeology.ie/ArchaeologicalSurveyofIreland/

Lisabilla is likely to come from Lios - which is basically a fort
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lios
and Billa is probably from the irish for oak.

So the 'fort of the oak'.

slowburner

Two oaks maybe.

randomperson12

i also found one that must have recently been put on the map its called liscuilla

randomperson12

it means hill fort and it on a hill

randomperson12

Two weeks ago I was looking at the OSI maps and it froze and it showed up near Ballinasloe co. Galway. In Aughrim I found enclosures
one was called Listoberscurroge. I looked at it on Google maps and it was bulldozed.




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An Fhuiseog

randomperson12 wrote: »

i find tons of ringforts in my area that are unamed and what does lisdabilla mean

Lisdabilla - Lios dá bile(dhá bhile) = 'Fort of the two sacred trees'?

'bile' = 'sacred tree',rather than a specific species of tree(Oak = Dair).

randomperson12

must been built around 2 sacred trees to defend them from atackers vandalism and souvenir timber

slowburner

Dr. Steve Davis (UCD) has been blazing a trail lately with both geophysical and LiDar surveys.

http://www.heritagedaily.com/2013/12/100548/100548

cfuserkildare

Hey folks,

Just a quick question,

Has anybody got any information regarding the item at the following co-ordinates?

53.693168,-6.460052

I looked on Archaeology.ie and found no mention of it.

Also, Can anybody tell me if the Boyne was re-directed just below this feature?

An Fhuiseog

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Hey folks,

Just a quick question,

Has anybody got any information regarding the item at the following co-ordinates?

53.693168,-6.460052

I looked on Archaeology.ie and found no mention of it.

Also, Can anybody tell me if the Boyne was re-directed just below this feature?

It looks like a circular enclosure alright.
I've had a look on the OSI historical maps and it doesn't appear on those either.
The Heritage Council commissioned the 'Boyne Valley Landscapes Project' in the last decade,and so I'd be surprised if this monument wasn't picked up in the LiDAR survey.The following report gives you an idea of the extensive work carried out by the project team: http://eprints.dkit.ie/332/1/AR01047_Boyne_Valley_Final_Report_10.pdf.

I'm not sure if the river was re-directed,but on the OSI historical maps there would appear to have been a canal running close to the river here:
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,701921,772593,6,7

I had a quick look through Geraldine Stout's 'Newgrange and the Bend of the Boyne',and an illustrated map within shows a water mill on this bend of the river(ref. Civil Survey 1654).

cfuserkildare

Hey An Fhuiseog,

I had a look and I am not sure, there is a pic near it but not very distinct.

An Fhuiseog

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Hey An Fhuiseog,

I had a look and I am not sure, there is a pic near it but not very distinct.

Sorry cfuserkildare,I don't quite get you?It's not the anomaly I've circled in the attached image,but something else perhaps??

cfuserkildare

Hi An Fhuiseo,

It is the item you have circled, I meant in the file you gave a link to.

There is a picture presumably taken using Lidar, of that general area, but the anomoly is not distinct, if you catch my drift.

An Fhuiseog

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Hi An Fhuiseo,

It is the item you have circled, I meant in the file you gave a link to.

There is a picture presumably taken using Lidar, of that general area, but the anomoly is not distinct, if you catch my drift.

Yeah,I couldn't see anything very distinct in the LiDAR image either to be honest.
Take a look at the black and white image I've attached below of the Newgrange landscape(courtesy of M.J. O'Kelly's 'Newgrange');you can see
the anomaly we were looking at in the top left hand corner of the picture(just above 'D' - a standing stone).It does look remarkably circular in shape!
However,if you look at the other image I've attached(Google earth),you can see what looks like a low ridge running above the anomaly,so what we think is a possible henge/circular enclosure,could just be a geological feature instead.It's very curious nonetheless.I suppose what you could do is have a look at it physically on the ground.

An Fhuiseog

Just looking at the black and white aerial view image again - could it be that what we're looking at is evidence of past quarrying,leaving a circular depression or hollow in the ridge???With it's proximity to the river and the canal,it's a possibility perhaps?

cfuserkildare

It is possible,

But it looks awfully regular in shape, more like a surround maybe animal pen or something.

Also odd how it shows up better on google maps than on any other medium.

An Fhuiseog

cfuserkildare wrote: »

It is possible,

But it looks awfully regular in shape, more like a surround maybe animal pen or something.

Also odd how it shows up better on google maps than on any other medium.

I know I'm repeating myself here,but if it was an archaeological anomaly,it would have been recorded long ago.I had another look through Geraldine Stout's 'Newgrange and the Bend of the Boyne',and none of the old maps and illustrations show anything of significance in that area.

slowburner

An Fhuiseog wrote: »

Just looking at the black and white aerial view image again - could it be that what we're looking at is evidence of past quarrying,leaving a circular depression or hollow in the ridge???With it's proximity to the river and the canal,it's a possibility perhaps?

A distinct possibility. The depression is shown as fenced off on the second edition OSI map.
If it is not natural it may well have been a sand or gravel pit.

Simon.d

D-Shaped feature just south of the confluence of the River Nore & Kings river in Co. Kilkenny.. http://binged.it/1d4nWFT

Interesting Cropmark in Ballymack, Co. Kilkenny: http://binged.it/1cRr4do

slowburner

That Ballymack cropmark is a beauty!

Not quite sure what to make of the earthworks at the confluence of the King's river and the Nore. The area is depicted as 'liable to flooding' on the second ed. map, so it could be drainage works. Or could it be remains of some form of a fishing system? Channels below the confluence of two rivers are often likely to hold migratory fish.


I'd be inclined to call both in.