Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

Glico Man

killwill wrote: »

Well at Arsenal you just have to look at their first team in fairness and you will see Ramsey, Wilshere, Walcott. I could be wrong but are they not ex-Arsenal youth Academy players?

At United right now in the first team you have Cleverley and Wellbeck as the most obvious with alot more coming through in the next year or two. They may not make it at United but they will make it big.

Wilshere is yes, but Walcott and Ramsey came from Southampton and Cardiff respectively.

killwill

aaronh007 wrote: »

They weren't considered good enough for the Chelsea first team though, and left because they couldn't get game time. Stagnation would've set in by now if they stayed at Chelsea unless they were to go on loan.

That was not the question asked though in fairness. It was about world class youth academy players.

killwill

aaronh007 wrote: »

Wilshere is yes, but Walcott and Ramsey came from Southampton and Cardiff respectively.

What age did they sign with Arsenal at? I remember United nearly signing Ramsey actually but he snubbed us even though he was a United fan!!!

redzerdrog

killwill wrote: »

What age did they sign with Arsenal at? I remember United nearly signing Ramsey actually but he snubbed us even though he was a United fan!!!

Just a guess but I would be suprised if eaither ever played youth team football for Arsenal.

But as i said its just a guess.

Glico Man

G.K. wrote: »

I must have missed the point of the guy I quoted.

Or maybe I did

In fairness, he was talking about first team players by mentioning Cleverley and Welbeck currently in Utds first team picture whilst going on to mention the likes of Scholes, Beckam, Fowler etc.

Could also mean that the lack of the likes of home grown first team players from the youth set up.

Glico Man

killwill wrote: »

What age did they sign with Arsenal at? I remember United nearly signing Ramsey actually but he snubbed us even though he was a United fan!!!

Both were 16/17 iirc, and had been playing first team football for both of their respective clubs

killwill wrote: »

That was not the question asked though in fairness. It was about world class youth academy players.

I took the point incorrectly, apologies.

Mr Alan

killwill wrote: »

What age did they sign with Arsenal at? I remember United nearly signing Ramsey actually but he snubbed us even though he was a United fan!!!

They were both 18 afaik & went straight into the first team squad.

And they signed for a combined £17m or so!

killwill

Mr Alan wrote: »

They were both 18 afaik & went straight into the first team squad.

And they signed for a combined £17m or so!

Wow!!! See there is no value in the market after all!!!

Al Capwned

monkey9 wrote: »

Yes, the obsessives have made that quite clear!!

monkey9 wrote: »

The Obsessed!! There's a quality horror movie in there somewhere!!!

monkey9 wrote: »

If the Liverpool obsessed fans of other clubs want so much to hear what Kenny has to say about the officals, send him a tweet.

monkey9 wrote: »

This is the second thread yet on the same subject!! Following the third thread on the Liverpool season thread in general!! Interesting!!!

You have to almost respect the Obsessives!!!!

I am pie wrote: »

Yawn. Another Liverpool obsessed Manc super fan. Take a number and get in line.

Seriously lads, give it a rest!

DB10

alproctor wrote: »

Seriously lads, give it a rest!

Exactly my point, all victim mentality from certain posters. It comes from the top , the manager who is playing Liverpool fans like chumps.

Al Capwned

^^^^^ I never said that!

gnfnrhead

Anyone who would seriously take the Mickey Mouse Cup (A name that I believe Liverpool fans actually came up with!) over a Top Four finish is delusional. Cups are bonuses, league position is what matters. Anyone can win a knockout competition (Birmingham did and got relegated, don't act like its a major achievement), doing well in the league is a much better indication of where you currently stand. If Liverpool do manage to win the FA Cup, it will probably grant Kenny another season. If however they don't win, is somewhere around 8th place and the Mickey Mouse Cup enough to be seen as a success? For a club the size of Liverpool, I don't see how it could be.

Dubit10

Wow new enough to the soccer forum but by jesus there is some amount of bitterness on this site towards LFC. How so lads?

Sasquatch76

Dubit10 wrote: »

Wow new enough to the soccer forum but by jesus there is some amount of bitterness on this site towards LFC. How so lads?

It goes in all directions to be fair.

monkey9

alproctor wrote: »

Seriously lads, give it a rest!

Ha!! No, no i won't! If the obsessives want to continue spreading lies and myths, they should be called up on it!! It's easy to do!!

monkey9

alproctor wrote: »

^^^^^ I never said that!

It's weird, isn't it? Lies!

monkey9

Sasquatch76 wrote: »

It goes in all directions to be fair.

Not equally!! The obsession is weird!

Dubit10

Sasquatch76 wrote: »

It goes in all directions to be fair.

You think? I'm not here long but it seems a lot of supporters of other sides spend a hell of a lot of time talking about Liverpool matters whilst not so much the other way around. Hey i think it's good that other fans give their opinion but i've just been surprised the amount of baiting as opposed to proper discussion. Seems like a lot of threads are ruined by wind up merchants. Still free speech and all that what.:P

Will I Amnt

Dubit10 wrote: »

You think? I'm not here long but it seems a lot of supporters of other sides spend a hell of a lot of time talking about Liverpool matters whilst not so much the other way around.

As you said yourself you're not here long,give it time.

Liverpool are not doing as well as expected,they're consistently underperforming in the league,that's going to generate interest from rival fans.

Anyone thinking that it's an obsession is paranoid,if United swapped league positions with Liverpool it would be the same from their side.

As was said before,go look through the United v City match thread earlier in the season if you want to see how Liverpool fans behave when we get humiliated.

firemansam4

Ok original question is - are Kenny Daglish and Liverpool done?

Well I think now Liverpool are in the FA cup final and if they go on to win it then the answer to your question is a most definite NO!

Ok League positions are the most important, and no I wouldn't take a league cup and FA cup over 4th place, but our very poor league position has come from a very bad run of games in the league and any manager who wins a club 2 cups (if we win fa cup) when they haven't won any in 6 years deserves more time, defiantly deserves until next year.

So if Liverpool win the FA cup I think the answer to this post is quite obvious!

K-9

cambo2008 wrote: »

As was said before,go look through the United v City match thread earlier in the season if you want to see how Liverpool fans behave when we get humiliated.

Big difference from slagging in a one off match thread, the same posters so precious there would have been dishing "banter" in the United Arsenal thread and wondering what the fuss was about, and these type of posters.

The superthread isn't as bad as it used to be.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

As was said before,go look through the United v City match thread earlier in the season if you want to see how Liverpool fans behave when we get humiliated.

Big difference from slagging in a one off match thread, the same posters so precious there would have been dishing "banter" in the United Arsenal thread and wondering what the fuss was about, and these type of posters.

The superthread isn't as bad as it used to be.

There's no difference,your woes are ongoing and so it continues.
If United were to throw the league away do you think it would just be a bit of slagging in the match thread that day???
Bullshìt and you know it.
It's funny how so many of you play dumb over this :pac:

Edit:Oh and I'm delighted the superthread is going well for you,best thing I did was unfollow that so it worked out well for both of us.
Too many precious little souls in it for my liking......

gnfnrhead

Dubit10 wrote: »

You think? I'm not here long but it seems a lot of supporters of other sides spend a hell of a lot of time talking about Liverpool matters whilst not so much the other way around. Hey i think it's good that other fans give their opinion but i've just been surprised the amount of baiting as opposed to proper discussion. Seems like a lot of threads are ruined by wind up merchants. Still free speech and all that what.:P

It does go in every direction. Not long ago Chelsea were the focus and that continued until Liverpool hogged the spotlight with their even worse form. Before Chelsea it was Arsenal (if Arsenal lose two in a row that thread quickly ends up heating up again), I'm sure there were more before that too.

No matter how much some people like to pretend it's all about Liverpool, it's not. The focus is simply on them right now and their awful league form isnt helping. Spurs have gotten away lightly because of Liverpool's form being so bad. Had Liverpool managed to win a few more games, there would likely be a thread like this about Spurs instead. Whatever top team is in the worse form, gets the most attention. Thats pretty much it.

The only obsession is from a small number of vocal Liverpool fans who cant a take a word against Liverpool from a rival fan without deciding it's a dig, or baiting, or whatever. Some are of the mindset that you are obseessed with a club if you talk about them but dont support them.

citytillidie

K-9 wrote: »

Big difference from slagging in a one off match thread, the same posters so precious there would have been dishing "banter" in the United Arsenal thread and wondering what the fuss was about, and these type of posters.

The superthread isn't as bad as it used to be.

Because its all in the two threads about Are Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool done

1st one took 18 posts before a Liverpool fan posted.

Will I Amnt

citytillidie wrote: »

Because its all in the two threads about Are Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool done

1st one took 18 posts before a Liverpool fan posted.

There's only 2 threads because the first one was locked and promised to be open again a day later and it wasn't so a new thread was started.
This has been said numerous times already.

K-9

cambo2008 wrote: »

There's no difference,your woes are ongoing and so it continues.
If United were to throw the league away do you think it would just be a bit of slagging in the match thread that day???
Bullshìt and you know it.
It's funny how so many of you play dumb over this :pac:

Context. Think I tried explaining the concept to you before, not wasting my time again.

Edit:Oh and I'm delighted the superthread is going well for you,best thing I did was unfollow that so it worked out well for both of us.
Too many precious little souls in it for my liking......

You didn't need to unfollow the superthread, you just posted repeatedly on here instead, so that means literally, zilch, the lady doth protest too much!

citytillidie wrote: »

Because its all in the two threads about Are Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool done

1st one took 18 posts before a Liverpool fan posted.

Yey, everybody just got bored making the same points over and bloody over. No doubt we'll hear more of it near the end of the season again and never the 2 sides will agree. We have our own drama llamas anyway!

The superthread has been quiet lately alright

Fuhrer

K-9 wrote: »

Big difference from slagging in a one off match thread, the same posters so precious there would have been dishing "banter" in the United Arsenal thread and wondering what the fuss was about, and these type of posters.

The superthread isn't as bad as it used to be.

The difference being Liverpool fans just dont have the opportunity to slag United fans off, look at the thread for when United went out of the Champions League, pages and pages of stupid dancing gifs and laughing ons from Liverpool fans, even mods getting in on that act.

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

Waffle

Yea man.....whatever.
You didn't explain anything about context,you tried using it as an excuse.

Will I Amnt

Fuhrer wrote: »

K-9 wrote: »

Big difference from slagging in a one off match thread, the same posters so precious there would have been dishing "banter" in the United Arsenal thread and wondering what the fuss was about, and these type of posters.

The superthread isn't as bad as it used to be.

The difference being Liverpool fans just dont have the opportunity to slag United fans off, look at the thread for when United went out of the Champions League, pages and pages of stupid dancing gifs and laughing ons from Liverpool fans, even mods getting in on that act.

Oh but no.....context man,think of the context.

Fuhrer

cambo2008 wrote: »

Oh but no.....context man,think of the context.

Careful now, you keep dismissing his points as being stupid and irrelevant and he'll add you to his ignore list.


Dont say you havent been warned.

VinylJunkie

If it wasn't Kenny any other manager would of been gone a long time ago.

Yakult

32 pages too later...

VinylJunkie wrote: »

If it wasn't Kenny any other manager would of been gone a long time ago.

redzerdrog

If it wasn't Kenny other fans would be saying he got you to two finals in his first full season in charge, give him a chance as you were never gona win the league and top 4 was also a massive ask so there if sweet f all of a difference if you come 5th or 17th in the league.

Dubit10

redzerdrog wrote: »

If it wasn't Kenny other fans would be saying he got you to two finals in his first full season in charge, give him a chance as you were never gona win the league and top 4 was also a massive ask so there if sweet f all of a difference if you come 5th or 17th in the league.

Nail. Head. Hammer.

darced

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Paul Tergat

darced wrote: »

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Is anyone who has a view obsessed? Just interested...

niallo27

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Is anyone who has a view obsessed? Just interested...

No not at all, its just when it's constant, the man just got liverpool to an FA cup final. He at least deserves a few days off.

SantryRed

redzerdrog wrote: »

If it wasn't Kenny other fans would be saying he got you to two finals in his first full season in charge, give him a chance as you were never gona win the league and top 4 was also a massive ask so there if sweet f all of a difference if you come 5th or 17th in the league.

They wouldn't. If he or any manager hadn't spent 100 million pounds on players, they would be saying that.

darced

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I love these shite seasons that involves 2 cup finals.

Will I Amnt

redzerdrog wrote: »

If it wasn't Kenny other fans would be saying he got you to two finals in his first full season in charge, give him a chance as you were never gona win the league and top 4 was also a massive ask so there if sweet f all of a difference if you come 5th or 17th in the league.

I'm surprised how many people agree with this but not by who.

It's all relevant to the club and the money spent.
If it was David Moyes at Everton or Mark Hughes at Fulham with 30m spent then yea I'd agree.

It's a completely different scenario when your goal is to get back to the Champions League where you have been a regular for so long and the investment to ensure that is so big.

K-9

cambo2008 wrote: »

Yea man.....whatever.
You didn't explain anything about context,you tried using it as an excuse.

64 posts in here, don't know why you bothered unsubscribing from the Liverpool thread tbh, its like an Alcoholic in denial saying wine isn't as bad.

Chucky the tree

Saying there is no difference between 5th to 17th place is nearly as bad as the Carroll+ £15m line.

Winning trophies does no club any harm financially.

Winning cups breeds new fans

Jesus Wept

cambo2008 wrote: »

I'm surprised how many people agree with this but not by who.

It's all relevant to the club and the money spent.
If it was David Moyes at Everton or Mark Hughes at Fulham with 30m spent then yea I'd agree.

It's a completely different scenario when your goal is to get back to the Champions League where you have been a regular for so long and the investment to ensure that is so big.

How much was the investment?

Will I Amnt

K-9 wrote: »

64 posts in here, don't know why you bothered unsubscribing from the Liverpool thread tbh, its like an Alcoholic in denial saying wine isn't as bad.

How sad is that?checking somebody's post count in a thread lol :rolleyes:
I unfollowed the other thread because I couldn't be arsed anymore trying to make a point and then being swarmed by over precious muppets who take everything no matter how innocuous as a dig.
At least in here there's balanced views....

Leiva

cambo2008 wrote: »

.... with 30m spent then yea I'd agree.

That's probably bang on the amount invested . Better start agreeing then and sticking by your word

Will I Amnt

Andy Carroll wrote: »

How much was the investment?

Maybe investment was the wrong word,I don't care about the net spend nonsense,there was 100m or thereabouts spent and spent poorly.

Will I Amnt

Leiva wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

.... with 30m spent then yea I'd agree.

That's probably bang on the amount invested . Better start agreeing then and sticking by your word

Yea but ur are not Everton or Fulham and also see above ^^^^