Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

Will I Amnt

rarnes1 wrote: »

He also wanted rid of Agger.

The man was clueless.

That wasn't the craziest idea in the world at the time given his injury history.
Iirc there was a few on here that wouldn't have minded too much back then either.

Oranage2

rossie1977 wrote: »

and kenny dominated english football in the 1980s...



he was given 15 months, the club were 4 points off the relegation zone when he took over

But Kenny spent 100+ Million and had 8 of the players available that played and beat Real madrid 5-0 on aggregate when he signed.

Happy Monday

rossie1977 wrote: »

and kenny dominated english football in the 1980s...



he was given 15 months, the club were 4 points off the relegation zone when he took over

And about 10 points from there now.

100 million later.

Henry had no choice.

Hope the appointment goes better than the new man at the Boston Red Sox.

He has been a disaster in the first month of major league baseball this year.

Damn hard choice to make!

Keyzer

Cyrus wrote: »

Oh my god,

Take out the runners up and personal awards and you have a few swedish leagues, pat fenlons record would stand up to that :P

and now he has the england job, yep, thats about his level

Lol...

That record is a joke...

Swedish football?

mikeym

I would love if Jose Mourinho got the job

Dont want Brendan Rodgers to get the job.

DoctorGonzo08

THe other thing to think of was that it is prob best for Kenny to leave now. Because in fairness you couldn't argue his love for the club, and if he kept going like he was he was heading straight for a heart attack.

Chucky the tree

Oranage2 wrote: »

But Kenny spent 100+ Million and had 8 of the players available that played and beat Real madrid 5-0 on aggregate when he signed.

and he finished far higher in the league, won a cup and got to the final of another.

wonderfullife

SlickRic wrote: »

he brought in Poulsen and Konchesky, and wanted to marginalise Lucas.

you're the one who hasn't a clue.

LOL. Konchesky and Poulsen combined fees £4.5 million.

Henderson, Downing, Carroll....... get a calculator out!!

As for Rafa ....here's a list of dud signings.

Robbie Keane
Ryan Babel
Albert Riera
Andrea Dossena
Jermaine Pennant
Mohammed Sissoko
Fernando Morientes
Diego Cavalieri
Alvaro Arbeloa
David Ngog
Scott Carson
Andriy Voronin
Dani Pacheco
Damien Plessis
Charles Itandje
Philipp Degen
Fabio Aurelio
Jan Kromkamp
Boudewijn Zenden
Mauricio Pellegrino
Emiliano Insua
Antonio Nunez



Every manager makes poor signings. Nobody has a 100% hit or miss ratio in the transfer market. Roy/Kenny/Rafa all had varying budgets, varying constraints with owners. Of the 3, delivering value for money it would be 1. Rafa 2. Roy 3. Kenny

Paul Tergat

mikeym wrote: »

I would love if Jose Mourinho got the job

Why would he go there? Serious question

Happy Monday

Drumpot wrote: »

Its funny because a mate text me the Dalglish news earlier and straight away suggested that he feels the Suarez incident could of swung it.

When an owner has to demand that a manager and player apologise for the players actions, you know that they are hanging on a thread . . Might not of been the only reason, but the way the owners intervened in that scenario suggests it certainly had some baring on the decision . .

I agreed with Kenny's handling of that.
His loyalty was to his player.
Evra is a big boy now.
Fergie took advantage and Kenny saw this.
It's among the Glaswegians you see!

DoctorGonzo08

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Why would he go there? Serious question

It's doubtful given the work involved, but if the owners agreed to back him financially, it could be an oppurtunity to make him a Legend in the game. It could attract his ego.

Renn

Already pretty much a legend. No way he's going near a club like Liverpool.

Paul Tergat

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

It's doubtful given the work involved, but if the owners agreed to back him financially, it could be an oppurtunity to make him a Legend in the game. It could attract his ego.

I think he would look at the situation and not fancy the challenge. No CL this season, probably need a squad overhaul and look at the clubs around him.

Plus, he has unfinished business with Madrid.


They would be doing ridiculously well to get him.

Ganymede Glow

zerks wrote: »

The Liverpool hardcore always looked upon Dalglish as one of their own,now that he's unemployed he truly is.

It was unamusing the first time

Irishpimpdude

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Why would he go there? Serious question

A Big Challenge.

dfx-

At the time, I may be wrong...

wonderfullife wrote: »

As for Rafa ....here's a list of dud signings.

Robbie Keane
Ryan Babel
Albert Riera
Andrea Dossena squad
Jermaine Pennant squad
Mohammed Sissoko
Fernando Morientes squad
Diego Cavalieri who?
Alvaro Arbeloa
David Ngog
Scott Carson squad
Andriy Voronin squad
Dani Pacheco squad
Damien Plessis squad
Charles Itandje squad
Philipp Degen physio table
Fabio Aurelio physio table
Jan Kromkamp squad
Boudewijn Zenden
Mauricio Pellegrino dud?
Emiliano Insua
Antonio Nunez squad

Squad players can be duds. Your consistent first teamers cannot. I'd argue a few of those above too, especially Sissoko.

Turtyturd

Irishpimpdude wrote: »

A Big Challenge.

United catching City be the big challenge for him when Fergie goes.

carbon nanotube

they need to lose all this history, tradition, and 11th men crap if they are to go anywhere, only a few of the players would even make any top side in Europe.

they are no better than Everton at the moment tbh.

CSF

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

No I'm not. Martinez took over a team in League 1 with no real potential at the time. He introduced the passing style game that they are now being respected for. He won League 1 on his first attempt and continued to build with great cup performances. His work drew the attention of several clubs including Celtic and Wigan. He was ambitious and wanted to keep building at Swansea but they started to cash in on the players that were progressing under him. He leaves because of this. Sousa comes in and continues the style the Martinez has introduced and builds on it. In comes Brendan Rodgers afterwards and is there for the final step. He was lucky to have made the playoffs in the end last year after an abmissmal run of form. Only for other teams, including Cardiff to drop form allowed Swansea to secure a place.

Martinez went on to keep a struggling Wigan side in the premiership for 3 years.

To me, Martinez is a far better manager than Rodgers, he was the one who put the foundations down and the hard work that has got Swansea where they are. If he was left in charge, he would have been in the premiership with them before this year.

The vast majority of Swansea's Premiership players were signed after Martinez's exit. That can't be ignored. If Martinez or Sousa had been able to do the same they might be looking at the sort of rewards Rodgers has been too.

To suggest Martinez taught (directly or indirectly) Rodgers a philosophy of football would be silly. Of course it helped Rodgers that the previous managers had used a similar style of football for continuity, but Rodgers really put his own stamp on Swansea (that Martinez certainly has not achieved at Wigan) and signed the right players to be effective.

Paul Tergat

Turtyturd wrote: »

United catching City be the big challenge for him when Fergie goes.

I expect United to be his next move as well

Hulk Hands

Just thinking back to the time Torres left.

All those posts of "If he doesn't want to be part of the success King Kenny is going to bring back to this club"

wonderfullife

dfx- wrote: »

At the time, I may be wrong...



Squad players can be duds. Your consistent first teamers cannot. I'd argue a few of those above too, especially Sissoko.

is the whole point in bringing in "squad" players not to improve the quality and depth of a squad????? Doesn't make them any less poor signings as they obviously did not improve the quality of the team or squad.

gerryo777

zerks wrote: »

The Liverpool hardcore always looked upon Dalglish as one of their own,now that he's unemployed he truly is.

Sad person.

Cantona's Collars

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

It was unamusing the first time

Aaaw,sorry if I appear to be like the guy who laughs at a funeral.

It's gas how this thread went from Kenny can do no wrong & it's all Hodgsons fault to "Kenny was useless anyway",he squandered 100 million quid and his claim to fame was beating Cardiff on pens in a cup Liverpool fans originally dubbed The Mickey Mouse Cup.

dfx-

wonderfullife wrote: »

is the whole point in bringing in "squad" players not to improve the quality and depth of a squad????? Doesn't make them any less poor signings as they obviously did not improve the quality of the team or squad.

For 10 or 15 minutes in a big game to change it or more against weaker teams perhaps.

Not the same first team being picked and failing against both and nothing changing.

Sgt Pepper 64

Is it ok to start the "Kenny to Chelsea" rumours now?

Turtyturd

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I expect United to be his next move as well

I reckon so, wouldn't know what way to take it if I was a United fan. He will only be there short term and if City kick on he might not even bring success in the short term and could leave the club in a bad state when he goes.

SirDelboy18

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I expect United to be his next move as well

It's among the worst kept secrets in football. No idea why Liverpool supporters would expect Mourinho to drop to a barely top half side.

recylingbin

I'm unsure of whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.
They have played some excellent football this season.
he has had to cope with a declining and often absent, often abject, Steven Gerard. Carragher is gone. He had to rebuild the side.
Having to play almost all new signings most of the time hasn't helped. Ideally, you'd like to phase them in one or two at a time. He hasn't had this luxury.

However, the results have been turgid. They have scored less goals than a relegated team. Most of his signings have been a let down.-
Spending 35 million on Carroll while Newcastle have picked up 2 top class strikers for a song has highlighted that there is a major problem between recognising potential and recognising achievable potential.

He's won a cup and been sacked which seems harsh. But the team finished eighth. In truth, it may not be a bad time to go before he completely destroys his legacy.

Happy Monday

David Moyes?

Drumpot

Happy Monday wrote: »

I agreed with Kenny's handling of that.
His loyalty was to his player.
Evra is a big boy now.
Fergie took advantage and Kenny saw this.
It's among the Glaswegians you see!

Fergie didnt have to do anything, LFC and Kenny did all the damage to themselves and stopped short of blaming Evra just for being black as an excuse for what had happened! (how dare a black person take offence to being mockingly called negro by an opponent to rile them up!).

That said, foreign owners only care about what will enhance the image of the club top create revenue. The way the affair was managed (whether by PR team or manager) was awful and reflected poorly on the club (whether or not their fans were happy with how it was conducted or not).

wonderfullife

Just a bit of fun feel free to chip in!!!


Andy Carroll: Hands the captaincy to himself in the player manager role, bags 20+ goals and a handful of assists. Fulfils potential. Thanks Andy Carroll, in particular, with the turnaround (also blames a night on the vodka for this moment of self criticism http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73920049&postcount=76)

Mr Alan: Eternal optimist would see the bright side of all defeats and bring the feel-good factor back to Anfield. Solid top 6 finish ahead.

LuckyLloyd: Cup run specialist, emphasis on FA/Carling Cup domination. New trophy cabinet would be required, league position not entirely relevant if 4th place is gone.

opr: Senór Opr bring back the Spanish goatee spirit to Anfield, major push forward in the League and enjoy champions league success once more. Title contenders within 4 years.

Kess73: Brings the true Liverpool spirit back. Lobbies owners to reduce ticket prices for away games. Focuses on the old school pass n move style. Brings back the good times.

Willymunny: Privately phones King Kenny for tactical advice to ensure Liverpool mid-table mediocrity continues. Publically blames the mess he inherited from Kenny.

Happy Monday

Drumpot wrote: »

Fergie didnt have to do anything, LFC and Kenny did all the damage to themselves and stopped short of blaming Evra just for being black as an excuse for what had happened! (how dare a black person take offence to being mockingly called negro by an opponent to rile them up!).

That said, foreign owners only care about what will enhance the image of the club top create revenue. The way the affair was managed (whether by PR team or manager) was awful and reflected poorly on the club (whether or not their fans were happy with how it was conducted or not).

Fergie called Suarez a disgrace suggesting LFC should sell him.
Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney and Eric Cantona have assaulted fans, players and referees between them with Fergie remaining tight lipped.

Guy:Incognito

Oranage2 wrote: »

Hodgson has managed some of the biggest clubs in football and some of the best nations so pay the man some respect!!!

He wasnt given 100m to throw away like fan boy kenny.

Some of the best nations at what? He's managed Switzerland, UAE and Finland at football.

Liverpool and Inter are far and away the biggest clubs he's managed.

recylingbin

Happy Monday wrote: »

Fergie called Suarez a disgrace suggesting LFC should sell him.
Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney and Eric Cantona have assaulted fans, players and referees between them with Fergie remaining tight lipped.

That was different.
They were cracking down on crime by racist fans, sneering players and referees who didn't know the revised rules.

Nuri Sahin

Great filter this thread has become.



Arbeloa a dud? Dominating Swedish football?

wonderfullife

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Some of the best nations at what? He's managed Switzerland, UAE and Finland at football.

Liverpool and Inter are far and away the biggest clubs he's managed.

i mentioned this before but under Woy, switzerland were ranked 3rd in the FIFA World Rankings. 3rd!!!!!!!! I mean it doesnt take a genius to work out what an acheivement that was!!!! Brazil/argentina/england/spain/italy/france/etc and he took them to 3rd in the rankings.

(and yes rankings may not mean a whole lot to some but still impressive)

Kylo Ren

Happy Monday wrote: »

Fergie called Suarez a disgrace suggesting LFC should sell him.
Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney and Eric Cantona have assaulted fans, players and referees between them with Fergie remaining tight lipped.

As all great managers should. When their own players get out of line, discipline them behind the camera and try to not turn it into a media circus.

Guy:Incognito

wonderfullife wrote: »

i mentioned this before but under Woy, switzerland were ranked 3rd in the FIFA World Rankings. 3rd!!!!!!!! I mean it doesnt take a genius to work out what an acheivement that was!!!! Brazil/argentina/england/spain/italy/france/etc and he took them to 3rd in the rankings.

(and yes rankings may not mean a whole lot to some but still impressive)

Getting to a WC semi will get you in the top 5. Keeping them there is another thing altogether. Any team is capable of a good cup run.

Turtyturd

wonderfullife wrote: »

Just a bit of fun feel free to chip in!!!


Andy Carroll: Hands the captaincy to himself in the player manager role, bags 20+ goals and a handful of assists. Fulfils potential. Thanks Andy Carroll, in particular, with the turnaround (also blames a night on the vodka for this moment of self criticism http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=73920049&postcount=76)

Mr Alan: Eternal optimist would see the bright side of all defeats and bring the feel-good factor back to Anfield. Solid top 6 finish ahead.

LuckyLloyd: Cup run specialist, emphasis on FA/Carling Cup domination. New trophy cabinet would be required, league position not entirely relevant if 4th place is gone.

opr: Senór Opr bring back the Spanish goatee spirit to Anfield, major push forward in the League and enjoy champions league success once more. Title contenders within 4 years.

Kess73: Brings the true Liverpool spirit back. Lobbies owners to reduce ticket prices for away games. Focuses on the old school pass n move style. Brings back the good times.

Willymunny: Privately phones King Kenny for tactical advice to ensure Liverpool mid-table mediocrity continues. Publically blames the mess he inherited from Kenny.

USH: Refuses to play in any competitions other than the Premier League and Champions League because he would be too embarrassed to win them.:pac:

handsomecake

two bob manager in sacking shocker.

if he wasnt who he was ,he'd have been told to foxtrot oscar ages ago.

Redzer7

Oranage2 wrote: »

This is a sad day for non Liverpool supporters


One of my favourite Kenny moments was when he played Spearing in the FA cup final. It was the final LOL in the coffin.

Hahahahaha. I was coming here to post the exact same thing.

El Inho

I'll know how to feel when we know the replacement.

G.K.

wonderfullife wrote: »

LOL. Konchesky and Poulsen combined fees £4.5 million.

Henderson, Downing, Carroll....... get a calculator out!!

As for Rafa ....here's a list of dud signings.

Robbie Keane
Ryan Babel
Albert Riera
Andrea Dossena
Jermaine Pennant
Mohammed Sissoko
Fernando Morientes
Diego Cavalieri
Alvaro Arbeloa
David Ngog
Scott Carson
Andriy Voronin
Dani Pacheco
Damien Plessis
Charles Itandje
Philipp Degen
Fabio Aurelio
Jan Kromkamp
Boudewijn Zenden
Mauricio Pellegrino
Emiliano Insua
Antonio Nunez



Every manager makes poor signings. Nobody has a 100% hit or miss ratio in the transfer market. Roy/Kenny/Rafa all had varying budgets, varying constraints with owners. Of the 3, delivering value for money it would be 1. Rafa 2. Roy 3. Kenny

now hold on. These guys weren't world beaters at pool but they did their job. Not duds whatsoever.

ThunbergsAreGo

G.K. wrote: »

now hold on. These guys weren't world beaters at pool but they did their job. Not duds whatsoever.

You could go through the majority of managers transfer dealing and find similar

The majority of those were sold at a profit or a small loss

And Arbeloa :eek: theres a reason why he is in the Spanish sqwuad

recylingbin

I still miss Igor.

carbon nanotube

Happy Monday wrote: »

David Moyes?

:rolleyes:

better chance of Icarus managing them.

recylingbin

recylingbin wrote: »

I still miss Igor.

Biscan? He was great, what a man for silly tackles and then that priceless look on his face afterwards begging to not get ANOTHER red card. The look of desperation from that man was like no other. He's still plugging away at the mighty age of 34.

Renn

To liven up the mood in here...

Happy Monday

carbon nanotube wrote: »

:rolleyes:

better chance of Icarus managing them.

Tongue in cheek Nanotube!