Getting rid of the diving!

shanered

Its an absolute disgrace that the game has come to involve an element of theatrics.
It should be a compeditive sport that requires honest effort from its sportsmen like most sports.
Pity, thats all I can say!

Guy:Incognito

Flancrest wrote: »

Jesus Christ!!!!!!! Really?
People have different centers of gravity. Quicker reactions. Any number of reasons.

The reason it happens around the box more is because thats the main area of the pitch a player will be moving at full speed.

Bull**** to both of these. The same player will go down in the box under the same contact a lot quicker than at the halfway line.

The reason it happens more in the box is because thats where you get a penalty. The same as certain players will have a lie down and a roll around somewhere ont he pitch in the dieing minutes when their team is a goal up when an opposition player so much as looks at them. For personal and team gain.

Nevermind watching a game, have you ever played one?

daveyboy_1ie

Has it actually been confirmed what Perch was booked for? if its the theatrics then great, if its the initial tripping of Reina then questions have to be asked if further punishment could have been handed out.

Flancrest

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Bull**** to both of these. The same player will go down in the box under the same contact a lot quicker than at the halfway line.

The reason it happens more in the box is because thats where you get a penalty. The same as certain players will have a lie down and a roll around somewhere ont he pitch in the dieing minutes when their team is a goal up when an opposition player so much as looks at them. For personal and team gain.

Nevermind watching a game, have you ever played one?

Play and Manage on a weekly basis. You?

Guy:Incognito

daveyboy_1ie wrote: »

Has it actually been confirmed what Perch was booked for? if its the theatrics then great, if its the initial tripping of Reina then questions have to be asked if further punishment could have been handed out.

How could it be his theatrics? Reina was sent off for the headbutt, so that means the ref reckons there was contact.

It'd be like giving Carroll a peno as well as carding him for diving.

Flancrest wrote: »

Play and Manage on a weekly basis. You?

Never had ambitions above playing myself. Moved back to playing Rugby a few years back and havnt looked back. I've actually lost a lot of interest in football since. Never thought it would happen, but it did.

Maybe the managing side explains your point of view so. You want your team to win "by whatever mean s necessary" as you said yourself. **** the game, as long as you win.

Flancrest

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How could it be his theatrics? Reina was sent off for the headbutt, so that means the ref reckons there was contact.

It'd be like giving Carroll a peno as well as carding him for diving.

That is actually possible. If a referee deems the player was infact fouled but makes too much of it in an effort to have a more serious penalty imposed on his opponent he could rightly be booked for his theatrics and awarded a peno

Flancrest

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Never had ambitions above playing myself.

Maybe the managing side explains your point of view so. You want your team to win "by whatever mean s necessary" as you said yourself. **** the game, as long as you win.

So you don't have a good footballing brain. That's fair enough.

Guy:Incognito

Flancrest wrote: »

So you don't have a good footballing brain. That's fair enough.

Only players with football brains become managers do they? If anything my footballing brain far outweighed my ability, I just never had (as yet) the desire to be a manager.

Flancrest

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Only players with football brains become managers do they? If anything my footballing brain far outweighed my ability, I just never had (as yet) the desire to be a manager.

Good managers like myself? Correct.

Leftist

Des wrote: »

That scumbag Suarez clearly had a knife hidden in his arm there. :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Nah , theres contact. Suarez' hip brushes off him. He'd be stupid NOT to go down. :rolleyes:

poor suarez.

Wonder why he has that kind of reputation.



A vast conspiracy against 'de pool'.

Guy:Incognito

It's good you hold yourself in high regard. But the phrase. About self praise comes to mind.

Obviously not in your case but oftentimes in junior football (as with other sports) , football ability or a football brain comes second to willingness to give up their time and to deal with the **** that comes with the job when it's time to find a manager.

Flancrest

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's good you hold yourself in high regard. But the phrase. About self praise comes to mind.

Obviously not in your case but oftentimes in junior football (as with other sports) , football ability or a football brain comes second to willingness to give up their time and to deal with the **** that comes with the job when it's time to find a manager.

Sorry I may be reading this wrong but it makes no sense to me

Fuhrer

Flancrest, you new?


Are you one of those who claims his opinions must be taken more seriously because you've "played the game"?

Flancrest

Fuhrer wrote: »

Flancrest, you new?


Are you one of those who claims his opinions must be taken more seriously because you've "played the game"?

Not at all. But in some cases playing experience does help. Like in this instance talking about why a player may go down when it seems they didn't recieve a heavy knock

RiseToTheTop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3_ocUYu244

Richard Hillman

I think players have a professional duty to win at all costs. Them winning a game could be worth millions to their employers. I really dont think the football authorities have much interest in trying to get rid of it, otherwise they would have years ago.

Something that i dont understand is the reaction of football fans when a player dives. Yes its cheating but isnt a defender pulling on somebodies shirt also cheating but doesnt provoke nearly as much fury from the fans. Thierry Henry cheated with his handball. As captain of the national team it was his duty to get France to the W.C and he did. Obviously Irish fans were furious at this but you can guarantee that when the Irish defence were defending corners or free kicks they we doing a bit of shirt pulling and manhandling French forwards.

IMO the form of cheating that is ruining football the most are cynical and intentional fouls. Its usually just punished with a yellow card but i think if a ref feels the player fouled somebody purposely, it should be a red card. The fouling player again is just doing his professional duty, no more or no less than getting somebody sent off.

The game is the game.

shanered

The game is the game, but the game is shaped by the rules and the referree's able to change the game.
I think most people understand that every player is going to do whatever he can do to win, especially since there is so many factors mainly financial!!
But the game could be changed to not allow this carry-on.
And I reckon most people would like to see this!
Would make for a good poll I reckon!

batistuta9

Flancrest wrote: »

Not at all. But in some cases playing experience does help. Like in this instance talking about why a player may go down when it seems they didn't recieve a heavy knock

you have you played for and who do you manage? just out of interest

counterlock

Flancrest wrote: »

Well based on this thread I clearly know more about football than most.

Flancrest wrote: »

So you don't have a good footballing brain. That's fair enough.

Flancrest wrote: »

Play and Manage on a weekly basis. You?

Flancrest wrote: »

Good managers like myself? Correct.

Is it your objective to descend every thread into a pi**ing contest?
You should have your own thread - no sticky - called Flancrest school of soccer. That way you could educate us on your philosophy on how next season 'they will get so much time on the ball' in Europe and 'Dirk Kuyt will easily score two' past United or city.
Having a read through your previous posts in the soccer forum, your knowledge of soccer stinks IMHO, as does your attitude to people who hold different opionions than yours.

Brendan97

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I would hate to call it as football and we wont have any good players on the field.

It was a joke, lighten up a bit

iregk wrote: »

and George Best wouldn't last 90mins in today fast paced athletic game where physical strength and stamina are of the up most importance. He'd be out of gas by half time.

Yes, but that is mearly what he was exposed to, there werent modern training techniques then, they werent training flat-out every day (most days but not every day), it wasn't uncommon to go out the night before a game, compared to now were a player who goes out before a game is fined and dropped, it is generally frowned upon, if best had've grown up in modern times he could easily be one of the best players in the world.
(and its actually utmost)

greendom wrote: »

And who would benefit from that apart from thuggish defenders. ?

Non-divers?
It was a joke really

Guy:Incognito

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think players have a professional duty to win at all costs.Them winning a game could be worth millions to their employers.

So then is diving now acceptable in professional football but not in junior football?

dfx-

As long as football remains a little physical contact sport that it is, diving will be an advantage and will be exploited. Talk of after-the-event punishment by TV just isn't workable except for the TV leagues.

Much like it's perfectly ok for a batsman to stand his ground when there's been a low catch claimed that won't be proven to be a catch even by TV.

There's no comparison to rugby where you have to gouge someone's eyes before the referee will take notice. A tap of the ankles is allowed and encouraged.

Guy:Incognito

dfx- wrote: »

. Talk of after-the-event punishment by TV just isn't workable except for the TV leagues.
.

It's as workable as anythign that isnt available to the lowest level of the sport. Anythign from expensive balls to the extra linesmen at the sides of the goals (or any linesmen at all depending where you play :-) ).

dfx- wrote: »

A tap of the ankles is allowed and encouraged.

and where a lot of players dont lose their footing from it.:)

dfx-

Different conditioning for different games though. 'Injuries' that occur in other sports would have footballers rolling in agony.

Belted on the back of the knee or head with a cricket ball thrown at you at 80mph...tripped in rugby...it's part of the game. There is an advantage in football because practically no contact is allowed. You don't get a free-kick in cricket for being hit and you don't get any advantage by being tripped in rugby.

You do in football so you make it look like you have been. This "but there was contact" justifying penalties and fouls is as bad as diving.

greendom

Brendan97 wrote: »

It was a joke, lighten up a bit


Yes, but that is mearly what he was exposed to, there werent modern training techniques then, they werent training flat-out every day (most days but not every day), it wasn't uncommon to go out the night before a game, compared to now were a player who goes out before a game is fined and dropped, it is generally frowned upon, if best had've grown up in modern times he could easily be one of the best players in the world.
(and its actually utmost)


Non-divers?
It was a joke really

You ought to try this code [ironic] [/ironic]

St.Spodo

It is so ubiquitous and so ingrained in the culture of the game that only crude and badly executed dives are given attention. Players going down easily, leaving a trailing leg for the foul and participating in other such hornswoggling is also cheating. Diving is here to stay.

Richard Hillman

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think players have a professional duty to win at all costs.Them winning a game could be worth millions to their employers.

So then is diving now acceptable in professional football but not in junior football?

I feel its a personal choice to cheat in junior football. In pro football it is your duty to win at all costs.

iregk

Brendan97 wrote: »

Yes, but that is mearly what he was exposed to, there werent modern training techniques then, they werent training flat-out every day (most days but not every day), it wasn't uncommon to go out the night before a game, compared to now were a player who goes out before a game is fined and dropped, it is generally frowned upon, if best had've grown up in modern times he could easily be one of the best players in the world.
(and its actually utmost)

Really you sure? I find it amazing how the constant argument (not incorrectly so by any stretch) is that Best would have been different or adapted to modern techniques. This is often opposed to the fact that a modern player could in no way adapt to the old way of playing. Had Messi say grown up in the Best era how do we know he wouldn't be equally as class as he is now?

citytillidie

Leftist wrote: »

Decisions like that are ignored practically every second game. but for liverpool it's a conspiracy. He seen it last minute and moved his shoulder towards the ball, yes it struck his upper arm but get over it, it was from about two yards.

it's well beyond a joke now with liverool crying cheat. Suarez is the worst example in football.

I was pointing out how people go on about the hand ball at the World Cup when there has been plenty of other players who have done it.

Yes that tackle from Suarez was very bad.

handsomecake

citytillidie wrote: »

I was pointing out how people go on about the hand ball at the World Cup when there has been plenty of other players who have done it.

Yes that tackle from Suarez was very bad.

footballers are a distasteful bunch but this suarez guy is a classless individual.what a cheating dishonest thug. the two clips above are outrageous

citytillidie

handsomecake wrote: »

footballers are a distasteful bunch but this suarez guy is a classless individual.what a cheating dishonest thug. the two clips above are outrageous

Oh yea up there with this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDit7gOq-Qk

Nothing much said about this guy's challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArpZ-wvtTU

or this thug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDQtnVMLVjc

Magill

citytillidie wrote: »

Oh yea up there with this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDit7gOq-Qk

Nothing much said about this guy's challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArpZ-wvtTU

or this thug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDQtnVMLVjc

saurez is on completely different level to any of those.. biting, hand of godding, racism, diving, awful tackling like that above. Good player.. but an absolute scumbag... at least on the pitch.

citytillidie

Magill wrote: »

saurez is on completely different level to any of those.. biting, hand of godding, racism, diving, awful tackling like that above. Good player.. but an absolute scumbag... at least on the pitch.

I would agree with you if none of those players handled a ball, were good at tackling, and did not dive.

I would rather be bitten than have my balls stamped on.

Not touching the racism thing as well that has been done to death on here already.

fryup

quarryman wrote: »

all he had to do is roll it into the net:rolleyes:

and he makes a complete horlicks of it..what was Dagleish thinking of buying him waste of space

Kevster

...obviously Dalgleish is just an incompetent. I equate footballers who dive to people in other professions who take shortcuts and do half-assed jobs. They like the easy way through things as opposed to making effort. They're the type of people who blame others for their mistakes as opposed to looking at themselves.

The majority of premiership footballers are average.

kleefarr

I agree, it is very annoying.
The only way that this and other irregularities in football/soccer will get ironed out, is if they go the same way as Rugby Union/League. No descent from players and any queries referred to a 4th video ref. Doesn't take long.

Can't see it happening while Septic Bladder has got his strangle hold on things though.

argosy2006

Ashley Young dive made me do this,
And i have not stopped since,

Professional Griefer

argosy2006 wrote: »

Ashley Young dive made me do this,
And i have not stopped since,

I don't even want to know what you did when Carroll when down against Newcastle.

argosy2006

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

I don't even want to know what you did when Carroll when down against Newcastle.

For that i one i was confined to a padded room for 3 days,
I'm making progress

d22ontour

Trial by TV with a minimum 5 game ban to any player diving,feigning injury to get players sent off etc.It has been a joke for too long with no governing body having the balls to tackle it.

dfx-

Interesting case with Madrid's number 7 tonight. TV Cameras clearly show 'contact' in my opinion and given some ridiculous decisions, there'd be TV referees who'd give a foul to Madrid and a red card. Yet the referee was applauded and supported for his decision to give nothing.

Trial by TV...none the clearer.

cson

Great example of why players go down and stay down tonight at Molineux. Aaron Ramsey was clearly fouled in the box but got up and attempted to get a shot away; didn't get what should have been a clearcut penalty if he'd stayed down.