Season 2 - Episode 2 **Have Read The Books / Spoilers Included**

Sleepy

Since HBO Go showed the episode last night, thought it best to have some threads for them.

armitage_skanks

Not going to watch it because then there would be two weeks until episode 3

Temptamperu

Thank you R'hllor this is truly an amazing gift on my day off

Sleepy

armitage_skanks wrote: »

Not going to watch it because then there would be two weeks until episode 3

I'm having the same debate with myself but the other half has zero patience and hasn't read the books yet so suspect I'll be watching it tonight

adocholiday

Maybe I'm being a little presumptuous here but I think they've changed something from the books:

Spoiler just in case:

Jon notices Craster leaving the keep with a baby and it clearly shows a White Walker come pick it up. As Gilly is only pregnant at this stage in the series and given the baby's importance in the books we can assume it's not her baby. But Craster sees Jon before Jon can attack the White Walker and knocks him out. This is definitely not in the books. In the books Mormont offers Craster an escort to the wall but he refuses and they leave on 'amicable' terms.

It may have no impact in the overall outcome but I really hope they don't start twisting things around. Loving the new series so far all the same

donnacha

The only reason I'm holding off is that I assume the quality ain't as good as a webrip - or is the quality from our friends in america of webscr just as good?

Tzar Chasm

Whoa, must watch this now, Jon attack an Other and nocks it out :eek: that's a masssssive deviation from the book, that would change everything, the others are only seen twice in the books, once at the very begning and again when Sam slays one on the retreat from the fist of the first men. If Jon actually encounters one then it changes everything.

adocholiday

No you read my post wrong.

Jon doesn't actually encounter the White Walker. He sees something pick up the baby and the viewer sees the blue eyes. Craster sees Jon at this point and Craster knocks Jon out.

I think it serves to keep the viewers who haven't read the books interested. It could have a massive impact on the story depending on how this is treated in the next episode. The readers all know the fate of Craster and the Old Bear but when and how those events are treated by the show could differ greatly from the books. If so, we could see some events occurring sooner than in the books or even see the plot take a different turn.

I would be extremely surprised if there was a vast deviation from the plot of the books though, given George RR Martin's input on the show's development. Will have to wait 2 weeks to find out!

Also @Donnacha The webrip quality is very watchable. Unless you want high-res crystal audio then wait but I would say Audio 7/10 video 8/10. Use VLC player. In some cases the audio is a little sped up due to encoding. Slow the playback down to 90% and it's perfect. The one I watched was fine I didn't have to do anything with it.

bobbyg

I thought it was just my memory as it is a while since i read the book but I couldnt remember half the stuff happening in the book from that episode. Still now I can't wait for next week after that ending. Also I don't remember that situation with Danery's in the book!

her bloodrider being killed

Haven't read the 3rd book yet was going to wait till the summer but now I think I might just start it!

Seren_

Feck that was an awesome episode. Quite a lot of deviation from the book though, as others have said

especially with Stannis and Melisandre, unless I'm totally forgetting that happening?

adocholiday

I think that the

Stannis Melisandre scene

was put in as a precursor to

King Renly being killed by the 'shadow' that Melisandre gives birth to.

This happens again in book 3 but maybe this is to show the kind of character Melisandre is early in the series. I HAVE TO see episode 3 now! It's going to be a long few weeks

mariebeth

Ugh! Just finished episode 2! I should have waited! It's going to be a long two weeks. Overall I enjoyed the episode, but I'm still figuring out how I feel about a couple of the scenes that were added. Have to say I loved the scenes with Arya & Gendry

Cookiemunster

adocholiday wrote: »

I think that the

Stannis Melisandre scene

was put in as a precursor to

King Renly being killed by the 'shadow' that Melisandre gives birth to.

I reckon they're making something that was hinted at in the books obvious to people who haven't read them,

how she gets pregnant with the shadows

, same way they did with Renly and Loras in season 1.

Really enjoyed the ep but a serious WTF moment at the end. Totally different from the book.

Mc Love

I am a bit underwhelmed by the first two episodes after reading the books!

Sleepy

They're definitely deviating a little from the books this season. Some of it will definitely be for the good. I heard George RR Martin say in an interview that given a do-over on A Clash of Kings he'd have made Robb a POV character so it'll be good to see more of what he's doing onscreen than simply discovering the results from others.

Theon's arc is being handled well imho. Yara is nothing like I pictured Asha in the books. I always had her as raven haired in my mind's eye.

Melisandre and Stannis was definitely alluded to in the books if not shown explicitly.

Curious to see how they're going to handle the Jon / Craster bit. It's wildly at odds with what happens in the books but perhaps they're going to speed things up North of the Wall?

chickenboy

I think it's just the fact that TV has to be more heavy-handed than the books were. In a Clash of Kings, Mormont alluded to the fact that the watch knew about Crasters gift of his sons to the others in return for protection, and that he just had to accept it in return for the use of a safe-house. The ending with Jon and Craster needn't change anything, the next episode could just have Jon being berated for his nosieness during the ride to the fist of the first men.

We've already seen things made explicit that we're only hinted at (a very gay Renly for one), and I'd expect alot more.

madrab

another slight deviation

Melisandre implies that stannis has no children, possibly this is just meant that stannis has no sons, but i wonder if they are cutting out his daughter, and hopefully patchface?

Sleepy

Could be interesting. I've always suspected Shireen will have a part to play in Stannis's story due to her King's blood...

madrab

Also the implication that Patchface

is a profit of the drowned god, foreshadowing events such as the red wedding

Tzar Chasm

I wonder about Shireen too,
I have suspected that Pachface has seen Something under the sea, I Know I Know, and some of the foretelling of events has been interesting,
But whats the story with the greyscale? Griff has it and it is Killing him, or is it, when they went through the ruined city the inhabtants had Greyscale but they were still capable of attacking them.
are the Greyscale victims some other form of Wights, could the greyscale be an antidote for whatever the 'others' do to the wights?

calex71

madrab wrote: »

Also the implication that Patchface

is a profit of the drowned god, foreshadowing events such as the red wedding

That was so obvious and in your face in book 2 i think that even after later event you forget about it ??? I'm only starting 4 but haven't heard much from patch face since, but am getting drowned got stuff in 4, now that you mention that I makes a lot of sense in hind sight.

adocholiday

Regarding Stannis' daugher. On rewatching episode 1, Stannis walks away from the beach after the burning of the gods. He gestures to someone in the crowd and she steps forward to him. She is a young woman/teenage girl by the looks of it. That is most likely Shireen they just haven't introduced her yet. Couldn't be his wife she's away sick in the tower! Or I could be wrong!

I have screenshots but I have no place to host them.

Beruthiel

Sleepy wrote: »

Since HBO Go showed the episode last night

I did not know this. Thank you Sleepy!
I shall watch it tonight.

madrab

i got the implication that the term sick was in reference to her being barren - though shireen may have been in the crowd

Seren_

I wouldn't say so... I think saying that she was sick was pretty much just so they could cut her out of the series. She gave Stannis one child, so she's technically not barren. Is it even mentioned in the books that they had other stillborn children? I can't remember...

Tzar Chasm

They can't write Selyse out,

She,s integral to the plot in ADWD

Frisbee

Decent episode but wasn't really a fan of the way they moved away from the books with

Jon actually seeing a Walker and Craster then knocking him out, that'll surely completely change the way they'll be interacting with Craster now from the way they were in the books.

Making Bronn head of the City Watch was a bit retarded too.

Johnny Bitte

adocholiday wrote: »

Regarding Stannis' daugher. On rewatching episode 1, Stannis walks away from the beach after the burning of the gods. He gestures to someone in the crowd and she steps forward to him. She is a young woman/teenage girl by the looks of it. That is most likely Shireen they just haven't introduced her yet. Couldn't be his wife she's away sick in the tower! Or I could be wrong!

I have screenshots but I have no place to host them.

I just figured that was his wife! But with the Red priestess clearly saying his wife gave hime no children it looks like Shireen is out!

Time will tell I guess

Johnny Bitte

Disappointed with this episode, seems so rushed and jumping from character to character so quickly is not working for me.

The story just gets bigger and bigger from book one, surely they should ad more episodes to each season to compensate. Its not as if they wont be watched??

Frisbee

The_Goose135 wrote: »

The story just gets bigger and bigger from book one, surely they should ad more episodes to each season to compensate. Its not as if they wont be watched??

I think they'll really struggle to get everything into ten episodes the second book is much more expansive than the first. Especially after that second episode which, for me, was mainly just filler.

The House Of Wolves

I quite enjoyed it, regretting watching it now though as there will be a long wait until next Monday for me. I thought the Arya and Gendry scenes were very well done, I've always thought Joe Dempsie a good actor.
I thought there wasn't enough Sansa though, and the Stannis/Melisandra scenes were a bit odd, but I get that with tv you have to be a lot more straightforward than in the books.
I admit, I was confused when Asha was introduced as Yara, but of course people might get confused with Osha and Asha. The CGI-Direwolf, I was excited to see and it looked very good. The scene with Salla was hilarious as well.

I heard they killed off the bloodrider Rakharo because of scheduling conflicts, but I'm not sure about that.

The House Of Wolves

Frisbee wrote: »

I think they'll really struggle to get everything into ten episodes the second book is much more expansive than the first. Especially after that second episode which, for me, was mainly just filler.

They did introduce Pyke though, which moves the whole

Theon taking over Winterfell

plot a bit forward. (Not sure if spoilers are needed here, are they needed for ACOK forward or only from ASOS?)
The Pyke scenes were slightly rushed though I thought.

The_Goose135

The_Goose135 wrote: »

I just figured that was his wife! But with the Red priestess clearly saying his wife gave hime no children it looks like Shireen is out!

It could be that they meant no sons?

Medu

Ye might be reading too much into Stannis/Melisandre. If they stick to the books then Melisandre will need to give birth to... something to take Storms End. This gets Stannis the backing of Storm's End and his army which is what he was demanding of her in the scene.

Tzar Chasm

Davos does recognize the 'shaddow' under storms end, I suppose it had to be made somewhere

Owryan

Enjoyed the interaction between Gendry and Arya, Balon Greyjoy came across as i had pictured and the look on Theon when he realises she's his sister !!!!

Can only assume they gave Bronn command in the City Watch to avoid introducing too many names and characters into the plot.

johnnyskeleton

Owryan wrote: »

Enjoyed the interaction between Gendry and Arya, Balon Greyjoy came across as i had pictured and the look on Theon when he realises she's his sister !!!!

Can only assume they gave Bronn command in the City Watch to avoid introducing too many names and characters into the plot.

Might also be relevant to the issue that arises after the royal wedding with Tyrion (sorry for vagueness but don't know how to do spoiler tags on a mobile device). Maybe it will make it easier for his role to be played later.

I like the small twists in the plot that deviate from the books, no Robb this week was odd though.
Gendry and Arya are kind of comic relief characters which is quite funny.
The Theon-Asha/Yara scene was disgusting because I knew what was going to happen, in the books it was just funny when you found out but watching it was kinda sick.
Tyrion putting Varys in his place was badass.
Kinda pissed that Rakharo died... Dany needs her bloodriders, maybe they're replacing the red waste (boring tv) with a battle against Khal Pono (exciting tv), and she still hasn't figured out how to feed her lizards.

nicklauski

Wasn't the best episode last night. Still enjoyed it though. Clearly is a building epsiode on what's to come.
Poor Jon is going to get a bit of grief next week.

Highlight of last nights show was seeing the Direwolves agains.
Ghost looked awesome. Considering he is such a big part of the books, and Jons character, I'm looking forward to seeing more of him

Cardinal Richelieu

First two episodes are more the screen moving of actors for the big dramatic scenes later, should pick up pace when we get to more fight scenes. Is it me or does Daenryns eyes look blue more than violet/purple?

PhlegmyMoses

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

First two episodes are more the screen moving of actors for the big dramatic scenes later, should pick up pace when we get to more fight scenes. Is it me or does Daenryns eyes look blue more than violet/purple?

I think that this was deliberate to prevent the show from being too fantasy looking. The strength of the series is the way it includes other worldly elements whilst not going over the top.

Frisbee

Deleted User wrote: »

Kinda pissed that Rakharo died....

I kept meaning to ask this. The copy I was watching had no subtitles so when Irri/Jhiqi started crying and talking in Dothraki I hadn't a clue what Bloorider it was supposed to be.

Surprised it was Rakharo they killed off, I know he didn't feature much but he was the most prominent of her Bloodriders we've seen so far, can't even remember what Aggo or Johgo look like.

Son0vagun

Frisbee wrote: »

I kept meaning to ask this. The copy I was watching had no subtitles so when Irri/Jhiqi started crying and talking in Dothraki I hadn't a clue what Bloorider it was supposed to be.

Surprised it was Rakharo they killed off, I know he didn't feature much but he was the most prominent of her Bloodriders we've seen so far, can't even remember what Aggo or Johgo look like.

Apparently the actor had to leave for other commitments. So they killed him off.

Pepe LeFrits

Kovarro is to be the new Rakharo it looks like.

Nice little scene anyway.

Anachrony

Son0vagun wrote: »

Apparently the actor had to leave for other commitments. So they killed him off.

Same thing that happened with Ned Stark.

Johnny Bitte

bluewolf wrote: »

It could be that they meant no sons?

Possible, but why not just say that?

Stinks of cutting the **** out of the book to fit it into 10 episodes to me!

OctavarIan

The_Goose135 wrote: »

Possile, but why not just say that?

Stinks of cutting the **** out of the book to fit it into 10 episodes to me!

Shireen is gone. If they're going to cut characters, let it be characters like Shireen. She added nothing to the books. Hopefully Patchface was cut as well.

Gauge

OctavarIan wrote: »

Shireen is gone. If they're going to cut characters, let it be characters like Shireen. She added nothing to the books. Hopefully Patchface was cut as well.

Oh no oh no oh oh oh

(Seriously, I will not miss Patchface, however accurate his prophecies were)

I was sad to see Rakharo go. He had great chemistry with Irri!

I was pleasantly surprised with Yara/Asha's casting, I'd pictured her very differently but the actress did well with her (and also looked freakishly similar to Balon in the scene with the three Greyjoys together). A shame they didn't get to spend more time on her- I was really looking forward to the dinner scene from the books where Theon gets further humiliated, but with the time constraints I realise they can't fit everything in there!

Frisbee

Frisbee wrote: »

Surprised it was Rakharo they killed off, I know he didn't feature much but he was the most prominent of her Bloodriders we've seen so far, can't even remember what Aggo or Johgo look like.

Yeah in ADWD Rakharo is mentioned loads as the guy who's getting bigger and bigger and is gaining attention from her handservants?
Was thinking Rakharo might replace Mormont as her bodyguard type of person who's always there.

coll123

I'm in the middle of the first book and want to start watching series, just wondering at what point (in the books) does season 1 end?
Always prefer to read books before watching tv/films. Thanks

hidinginthebush

coll123 wrote: »

I'm in the middle of the first book and want to start watching series, just wondering at what point (in the books) does season 1 end?
Always prefer to read books before watching tv/films. Thanks

Season 1 ends when book 1 ends, pretty much.