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Season 2 - Episode 2 **Have NOT Read The Books / No Spoilers Included**
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03-04-2012 9:52am#1
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Another very good episode. So it was Joffrey who ordered all the babies killed,and he didn't even tell Cersei about it.
Tyrion is such a great character, love him starting to give orders and exiling baby killer guy (can't remember his name)
Stannis and his crazy religious lady look like they will be interesting, as well Theon and his father. I have a feeling he will betray Rob for his father. Also felling up your sister...not good,not good at all!
And then at the end, crazy wildling man is giving any sons he has to the White Walkers. Does he have a deal with them or something? They leave him alone in exchange for giving them babies?
Lot's of uncomfortable stuff with babies so far this season! :P0 -
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That was a fantastic episode.
I thought it was interesting with Stannis the red head one, whatever her name is. With the drink in the last episode, the old fella dying(he did didn't he?), and this one telling Davos' son the perfect way to die is by fire, which Tyrion had said is how to kill the undead(at least I think thats what he called em), or else I'm just too tired and talking rubbish :pac:
Regardless, unreal. Episode flew by, disappointed at the end, well, cause it was over. Got me tempted to read on in CoK this week now to see what happens. You know a show is good when that happens.
On a negative note, 2 weeks until episode 3.
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naw they done that last season just the once, so id say it'll be the same this season,
loved the scene when theon found out he fingered his sister, the look on his face, priceless:D
i do hope deanarys isn't roaming the desert for long, as i really wanna see her story get going fast, i want to see them dragons tearing the place apart so bad,
i would love that table that stannis has in his chamber, i saw it on a video that its a proper scale map of westeros, the workmanship on it is savage, also that new studio doing the CGI are doing some fine job, wolfs, dragons and castles all look amazing, fair play to HBO for going all out on this show,
I really didn't want to find myself saying this in a "haven't read the book thread " but I have to, "In the book" it was a lot worse
Edit: These threads are really entertaining reading as to what folks think will happen etc, the show would be a lot better in many ways had I not got the prior knowledge from the books, but in others so much easier to understand, found it really frustrating in part during season 1 to figure out what was going on and who was who, and from the first 2 shows of season 2 I'd say it's tricky in parts to keep up without the books ?????0 -
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She was never intended to be that. From her very introduction (being literally stripped bare and sold off by her brother) she's been a very sympathetic character. In no way was she meant to be portrayed as evil, and it's very clear she's the one who is truly born to the throne, both in lineage and in aptitude, she's a natural leader and genuinely cares for her subjects.
On another note, it's been very easy to follow the story without the books. I've checked out the map and interactive glossaries on HBO.com, but that's only because I want to know even more about the world.
Think youve Dany & Cersei mixed up there 0 -
Think youve Dany & Cersei mixed up there
I read that as Khaleesi for some reason..!
Cersei, though, is ruthless but not tyrannical. She wasn't willing to kill Nedd or indiscriminately murder children to kill potential heirs. She talks a tougher game than she's actually willing to act out. Her heart-to-heart (if you can call it that) with the King last season illuminated her the most, she was trapped into a political marriage with someone still in love with his dead wife and tried to make it work while all he did was drink, hunt and quite publically screw half the whores in King's Landing. It's going to be a bag of fun watching her, Joffery and Tyrion interact this season.0 -
Think youve Dany & Cersei mixed up there
Easy to do as Cersie is what could become of Dany if she gives in to bitterness and a desire for revenge.
all the characters have a counterpoint and watching how they decide which way to go is what makes it so absorbing. That and the gratuitous nudity 0 -
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what gratuitous nudity, don't think we've since even a nipple outside of the whore house this season, and TBH i don't see any reason for deany to be getting naked this season, hope I'm wrong thoughEasy to do as Cersie is what could become of Dany if she gives in to bitterness and a desire for revenge.
all the characters have a counterpoint and watching how they decide which way to go is what makes it so absorbing. That and the gratuitous nudity0 -
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Just wait til we get to quart and she wears the traditional dress, no that'll be gratuitous bewbage
what gratuitous nudity, don't think we've since even a nipple outside of the whore house this season, and TBH i don't see any reason for deany to be getting naked this season, hope I'm wrong thoughEasy to do as Cersie is what could become of Dany if she gives in to bitterness and a desire for revenge.
all the characters have a counterpoint and watching how they decide which way to go is what makes it so absorbing. That and the gratuitous nudity 0 -
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Tzar Chasm wrote: »Just wait til we get to quart and she wears the traditional dress, no that'll be gratuitous bewbage
Not happening. They've 'adjusted' the fashion. Bastids, I was hoping it might catch on and start a craze!0 -
Bugger I was looking forward to thats.welstead wrote: »Tzar Chasm wrote: »Just wait til we get to quart and she wears the traditional dress, no that'll be gratuitous bewbage
Not happening. They've 'adjusted' the fashion. Bastids, I was hoping it might catch on and start a craze! 0 -
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I have to be honest though - it would be nice if the open sexuality in this show wasn't so bloody crass sometimes, or the script didn't feel the need to punctuate scenes with some rough / slummy sex scenes. The one in the brothel was particularly needles.
Yea.
Worst episode ever to watch in my parents' house having convinced them that "this series is actually brilliant; not childish at all."
Que the...
"I see what you mean."
And the eyebrows. And baffled sighing.
Woops!
Also, not appropriate viewing with a sibling...0 -
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OctavarIan wrote: »Yeah that was a bit over the top, I mean where did they think they were? In a whorehouse or something?
That entire scene was in no way crass or over the top, and it was a hugely telling insight into the kind of man Littlefinger is.
Even Theon's romping on the boat was necessary because it set up his hilarious interaction with Asha later in the episode.
Littlefinger's speech, with its veiled threats, was the meat of that scene not the sex, or the trashy semen-wipe. Theon hitting up his sister didn't need the preamble of him fcuking some random ship-wench; the mistaken grope worked effectively on its own merits.
In fairness the show has not shirked from showing sex in a very rustic light and in some respects deserves praise for being so unabashed (plus I believe is only taking its cue from the novels); I would simply ask the fairly legitimate question of whether its needed in as many scenes as it turns up in. If it there's for shock value, then continual use only lessens the shock. I don't think it's there for allegorical purposes, and if it's simply arbitrarily present for the sake of it, then Martin's a sex-craved old perv
That all said, on a purely technical level it does make me wonder how on earth the actors film those kind of scenes. With nothing left to the imagination & no camera tricks available to hide things, it must be hard to ... well... not be.0 -
Littlefinger's speech, with its veiled threats, was the meat of that scene not the sex, or the trashy semen-wipe. Theon hitting up his sister didn't need the preamble of him fcuking some random ship-wench; the mistaken grope worked effectively on its own merits.
In fairness the show has not shirked from showing sex in a very rustic light and in some respects deserves praise for being so unabashed (plus I believe is only taking its cue from the novels); I would simply ask the fairly legitimate question of whether its needed in as many scenes as it turns up in. If it there's for shock value, then continual use only lessens the shock. I don't think it's there for allegorical purposes, and if it's simply arbitrarily present for the sake of it, then Martin's a sex-craved old perv
That all said, on a purely technical level it does make me wonder how on earth the actors film those kind of scenes. With nothing left to the imagination & no camera tricks available to hide things, it must be hard to ... well... not be.
Actions speak louder than words. Same reason they actually showed the city guard going around killing off suspected Robert bastards. Showing the conditions of the women that Littlefinger exploits makes him seem even colder. The books have never held back on describing the darker parts of the characters and the world, and lust/sex is the second biggest instigator of events, second to only the iron throne. It's a means to power, so it needs to be shown.
Theon with the girl on the boat was him in full 'heir' mode, having what or who he wants and expecting them to comply and even enjoy it. It showed him exploiting his false sense of power, giving him even further to fall once he meets his father and sister. Having him just arrive normally on Pyke and start viciously groping the first girl he meets would have been too jarring.
The only sex scene I've had a problem with was the Melisandre/Stannis one, and that was purely because of the bad acting on Stannis' part. He's the one actor who has not hit his stride yet.
On another note, Davos (Liam Cunningham) has been amazing so far, and not just because he's a Dublin man :pac:
[edit]Martin is definitely a bit sex-crazed, some of the descriptions in the books are mental.0 -
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