Irish 23 Man Squad - The Run In

Corholio

KevIRL wrote: »

The tweet from Brady could also be interpretted to mean that Duff himself is okay, the reasons rumoured would tie in with this

Thats what I was thinking too. But Enda from Sky said, in reply to whether he was right about Duff "100% mate. Just gutted for a good friend".

buyer95

Twiterrati going mad at the moment, with the majority of people claiming Duff is the " senior player " who has made himself unavailable for selection due to personal issues...

eh i dunno

Hope its not this legend

_blank_

Twitter, and it's users, is a pile of ****.

MickySticks

I reckon it's either Hunt or Fahey.

daddydick

What the hell is yer man Enda at? It's obvious that either Trap or the player in question will be explaining the situation on or before 3:30. All this speculation and cryptic tweets are extremely frustrating for all involved.

We know you know Enda, and so do a lot of journo's but at least they have the decency to let it lie - you're not impressing anyone by being in the know.

/rant !!

Pro. F

Rekop dog wrote: »

It would be funny if Trap went on a Delia Smith esque rant. 'The player we are missing is you, the fans, the 12th man! Where are you!! You have bad mentality, bad personality, this is no good.

A German team (Bayern Munich I think) a while back had this big countdown thing on a facebook page about their new star signing. Hyped it up for a while then on D-Day it turned out to be a ''you the fans'' bollocksology with your own fb profile pick in the middle of the page when you visited.

Needless to say the fans weren't impressed

buyer95

If it is true that it is Duff then that opens up the left wing starting place to McClean if he can do well in the warm up game. Every cloud and all that...

SteelyDanJalapeno

John O Shea anyone?

theteal

buyer95 wrote: »

If it is true that it is Duff then that opens up the left wing starting place to McClean if he can do well in the warm up game. Every cloud and all that...

. . .tries to remember the last time Duff started on the left for Ireland. . .

buyer95

theteal wrote: »

. . .tries to remember the last time Duff started on the left for Ireland. . .

Duff played on the left and McGeady on the right in the first game against Estonia if I'm not mistaking? Anyway McGeady can play on either side, so the spot for McClean still remains open if Duffer is not going.

El Inho

Duff would appear to be gathering steam unfortunately.

okidoki987

http://www.european-championship.com/category/European-Championship-News/Duff-left-out-of-Rep-of-Ireland-squad-201205070003/

TheRedDevil10

buyer95 wrote: »

Duff played on the left and McGeady on the right in the first game against Estonia if I'm not mistaking? Anyway McGeady can play on either side, so the spot for McClean still remains open if Duffer is not going.

no your wrong :P

MickySticks

It's Duffer folks.

theteal

buyer95 wrote: »

Duff played on the left and McGeady on the right in the first game against Estonia if I'm not mistaking? Anyway McGeady can play on either side, so the spot for McClean still remains open if Duffer is not going.

ah i'm only yanker yer chain. if the worst of what i've heard is true, hopefully it is an opportunity for a confident mcclean and not a headless hunt

Pudsy33

okidoki987 wrote: »

http://www.european-championship.com/category/European-Championship-News/Duff-left-out-of-Rep-of-Ireland-squad-201205070003/

That website is fake, someone posted an article from it earlier and it was full of typos.

token101

okidoki987 wrote: »

http://www.european-championship.com/category/European-Championship-News/Duff-left-out-of-Rep-of-Ireland-squad-201205070003/

Not exactly convincing

Pudsy33

MickySticks wrote: »

It's Duffer folks.

How'd you know?

tayto lover

How could anyone pick Hunt and leave a better player at home ?

TheRedDevil10

could it be shane long

Ganymede Glow

Are we getting the final squad today? None of this preliminary bollocks

Nemanja91

Is it 3.30 the squad is being announced and is it the preliminary squad for the friendlies or the full 23?

SantryRed

But did you not see how Keane single handledly got some of those results in the group stage? He was sensational against Holland and Portugal. We could have at least matched the 1990 team in 2002 with Roy Keane in that team.

MickySticks

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Are we getting the final squad today? None of this preliminary bollocks

Nemanja91 wrote: »

Is it 3.30 the squad is being announced and is it the preliminary squad for the friendlies or the full 23?

Full 23.

And I presume he will name back up players?

kitakyushu

Pro. F wrote: »

Knockout competitions are a rubbish way of comparing the quality of teams because the sample size is so small that luck becomes a big factor. Even the league format of qualifying groups is so small that luck plays a large part.
It was a poor WC in general and Germany had a very easy route to the final.

The Dutch were unfortunate to face us with Keane while the Germans got the benefit of coming up against us without him, qualifying first out of the group and getting the best path to the final.

If you don't agree with my estimation of the Dutch as the best of that four fine, you can ignore it because it's not that important. The point still stands. Your idea that we probably wouldn't have done any better with Keane is still ridiculous.

No I don't agree with your estimation of the Dutch as that best of the four sides. I wouldn't ignore it either as it's such a black and white error that it'd make me question the validity of anything else you might say.

You say that knockout if a rubbish way of comparing teams. However Portugal flew past Holland in as big a league system as there is on offer for UEFA so there's proof positive if you want it. I don't know how much clearer you want it.

Regarding luck, Russia lost 1 qualifier this term to Slovakia on bad luck. However, they still were far the best team and won the group at a canter in the end. By comparison you don't lose 2 games based on luck (or fail to win any of four against your peers) and then blame bad luck. I don't know how you can't accept that Holland were just not at the races that time around.

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The Keane issue is of course a 'what if' scenario and of course logically having your best players will make your best team. I'm not denying that logic. I'm saying in reality it's not always necessarily so.

In favour of logic look at when Zidane came back to France in '05. The team was completely revitalised by having him back. Anyone could see it. His return basically cost us qualification for WC2006 because up until then France had been struggling to even keep up with the three other average teams in the group.

However there's also many examples contrary to the logic. England 1990 loses their talismanic Captain Brian Robson. The team actually improves without him there.

The point is you can't automatically just assume that a team will be better because 'star player x' is in it. Sometimes it doesn't work out that way for whatever reason.

I believe the majority of advocates for Keanes case it's basically Irish fans harping on about it who realised we were in the weaker bracket of the knockouts and suspect we'd have got to the final with Keane in there. The assumption based on nothing more than wishful thinking.

To be clear I'm not saying we definitely wouldn't have done better with Keane there. I'm just saying the evidence available (eg matches with him and matches without him against top teams) demonstrate that results and performances were on a par either way.

darkman2

Could be Terry Phelan...gutted if true.

Corholio

SantryRed wrote: »

But did you not see how Keane single handledly got some of those results in the group stage? He was sensational against Holland and Portugal. We could have at least matched the 1990 team in 2002 with Roy Keane in that team.

One of the most overused and ridiculous terms in football IMO. He was excellent in those games but definitely did not do it single handedly.

MickySticks

Nowso wrote: »

i believe its Duff his kid is unwell and probably couldnt be away for so long . hope all gets better soon

This!

Sad for the guy, great servant to Irish football, hope all works out for him.

kwestfan08

Will the announcement be live on TV or Radio does anybody know?

Nowso

rte news now on soarview 3.30 or online rte.ie

LowOdour

is this live on Rte new now (on saorview)?

kitakyushu

darkman2 wrote: »

Could be Terry Phelan...gutted if true.

Ah, Terry Phelan. The player Dani Alves could have been.

theteal

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Will the announcement be live on TV or Radio does anybody know?

there'll be a stream apparently

buyer95

Paully D wrote: »

Here's what I think Trap will do barring injuries, players listed in no particular order;

Goalkeepers:

Given
Westwood
Forde

Defenders:

O'Shea
Dunne
St Ledger
O'Dea
Kelly
Ward
Foley

Midfielders:

Duff
Andrews
Whelan
McGeady
Gibson
Hunt
Fahey
Green (:eek:)

Strikers:

Keane
Doyle
Cox
Walters
Long

Players left out whilst people scream for their inclusion (which isn't happening, they'll get their chance in the next campaign) - James McClean, James McCarthy, Seamus Coleman and to a lesser extent (EDIT - probably not actually after reading the above article about him) Marc Wilson.

McClean is 90-99% certain to be in the squad, on form alone, Traps words

Rekop dog

Miguel Delaney tweet: Its not Duff

baldbear

This is turning into who shot jr!

darkman2

Colin Young ‏ @cyoungdailymail
20 minutes until Ireland Euros squad announcement. Told Damien Duff WILL be in the 23 (P.Quinn IDM)


It's NOT Duff.

buyer95

https://twitter.com/#!/migueldelaney
Thank God, its not Duff. Now the question is who is it?

kitakyushu

So with Duff in who is the most likely suspect? I've lost track of all the maybes at this point.

PeterTwo

Just heard a rumour that a whole host of players will be unavailable: Breen, Doherty, Healy, Morrison, Kilbane, Holland and Kinsella.

We're in trouble, lads.

KevIRL

kitakyushu wrote: »

So with Duff in who is the most likely suspect? I've lost track of all the maybes at this point.

McGeady? Ken Early said on the radio the other night it was he

MickySticks

Keith Fahey maybe?

Mitch Connor

kitakyushu wrote: »

So with Duff in who is the most likely suspect? I've lost track of all the maybes at this point.

you'd almost think we had to wait more than 10 mins to find out, or there was a prize for posting it first.


ITS GIVEN. OR DUFF. OR DUNNE. OR KEANE. OR....

Squelchy

Who would be a bigger loss; Given or Dunne?

I suppose Dunne, but Given's understudies don't fill me with confidence.

Ferris_Bueller

Have a feeling it's going to be Fahey.

_blank_

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Have a feeling it's going to be Fahey.

Fahey is not a "senior member" of the squad. He's a fringe player, at best.

Mars Bar

MickySticks wrote: »

Keith Fahey maybe?

He's not a key player though. Although it wouldn't surprise me if it was and it was the media who decided to use the word "key".

buyer95

The real question is how did the whole duffer ruling himself out start? He has been one of the most committed Irish player over the last 10 years!

Paully D

buyer95 wrote: »

McClean is 90-99% certain to be in the squad, on form alone, Traps words

Yeah he is now, but he wasn't when I made the post over a month ago.