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Husky mauls child
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ducksmalone wrote: »You conveniently forgot to mention,Frankie attended a fundraising event for charity by going to a greyhound event:rolleyes:
As the owner of an unwanted & badly treated Greyhound I don't think that supporting a "sport" that results in the deaths of thousands of dogs per year is an acceptable way to fundraise.ducksmalone wrote: »What is your suggestion the ispca do with all the unwanted,cared for and dangerous dogs?
If many of the other Pounds manage to rehome them & the rescues, who get a fraction of the ISPCA income, manage to rehome thousands then the ISPCA should be able to do at least as well.ducksmalone wrote: »Mabe youd like to privatise the welfare of dogs? ive no idea what your trying to achieve in holding the ispca and Frankie in particular in such a negative way,but carry on.
I hate criticising the ISPCA - I spent many years working alongside the RSPCA so I know what the job involves. I also have a genuine respect for & have friends involved in, the ISPCA Inspectorate & I suspect that they might not be entirely happy with the Pound situation.
Frankie has a golden opportunity every week on Clare FM to speak out for dogs & to encourage responsible ownership. Instead he uses it to denigrate various breeds & he makes some very erroneous assumptions. If you read back through this thread there is a pretty detailed discussion of Frankie's remarks. One classic example is that the first attack occurred because the dog was jealous. If you want a copy of his first "Husky" interview I can email you one - for your own personal use only !
I & many others are hoping that the ISPCA might see sense & realise the damage that this is doing to their reputation. A friend of mine organised a fund raiser for the ISPCA with her dog club - they decided to give the money to another charity because of Frankie's remarks. I also hope that the ISPCA will start defending dogs rather than killing them.
Some of the Pounds are privatised - that's how the ISPCA came to run them on behalf of the Local Authorities. The LA's pay the ISPCA to run the Pounds. But many of the other privatised Pounds are much better at rehoming.ducksmalone wrote: »
Mabe when you were having this discussion at the highest level,you might have asked them the simple question,Do you employ a dog behavioral specialist?
i can find out for you in the morning,it will be a quick phone call to some receptionist,but for the sake of self importance,i'll lable it a meeting. i'll pm you the answer.
Post the answer here & maybe you could do so avoiding the patronising tone that does nothing to further your argument. I have treated your posts with respect & given you extensive polite answers.0 -
For once (or a few) times Im actually in agreement with you.This warden cant even assess if a dog should be rehomed with kill rates like those.
What qualifies him to assess how aggressive a dog is??
Oh and by the way in my opinion he doesnt do
I agree with both of ye here, if you bring a dog into surroundings where it knows whats ahead of it dogs are smart do you not think it will fight for its own life? was it provoked in the pound to show its agression i wonder??0 -
Even the most docile pet of a dog can become aggressive in a pound. They are locked in a run with a bare amount of bedding, food and water with little or no stimulation. They are surrounded by other barking anxious dogs and the only interaction they get is the pound keeper giving them food, or seeing people walk up and down outside the cages. Now the only thing they have left in the whole world is those 4 walls and they do not want to lose them. To lose them means death in most cases. So they become territorial and 'cage guard'. To an untrained eye this is seen case having aggressive tendincies when really its just a scared animal protecting his spot. If they were taken out of this situation they would become sweet little pets again but once this guarding behaviour occurs they have little or no chance of getting out as perspective adopters wont want the growling dog, and it will then be viewed as a 'dangerous dog' and destroyed. In my opinion all pounds should hire a dog behaviour specialist as it would really improve understanding of dogs behaviour and the reasons behind it. Unfortunately I cant see this happening any time soon.0
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ducksmalone wrote: »so i can only presume ye are talking about the Limerick attack
of which i know even less of,just what has been posted here.
ducksmalone wrote: »You conveniently forgot to mention,Frankie attended a fundraising event for charity by going to a greyhound event
That was during his radio interview following the first attack. The interview isn't on a podcast so I am a little confused. The criticism of Mr Coote is based on both incidents.ducksmalone wrote: »I
"No one commands respect - it has to be earned" nice cliche.....ducksmalone wrote: »i can find out for you in the morning,it will be a quick phone call to some receptionist,but for the sake of self importance,i'll lable it a meeting. i'll pm you the answer.
There is some good advice on to how to respond to posts without resorting to unpleasantness here:ducksmalone wrote: »Do you enjoy the Forum?
i would guess your not getting the max out of it as your concerning yourself with other posters behavior and posting styles.
chill out and ignore the posters who seem to bother you.0 -
Discodog - Taking posts from other threads/forums to throw at a poster is not the done thing on Boards and generally viewed as being out of order.0
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Hopefully I'm not out of order in posting this, and if I am I apologise, but...
The person whom Disco is posting in response to has spent a fair chunk of this thread being accusatory, casting doubt on other peoples facts, views and experience and has not, at any point I've noticed, taken the opportunity to acknowledge when something they've cast aspersions has been shown to be correct and/or valid. In fact the poster has taken the attitude of ignoring whole debates they've initiated when they've been shown to be wrong and thrown up smokescreens of yet further statements seeming designed to provoke responses and cause people to lose sight of all the previous 'stuff'. It's exceedingly hard, for me personally, to take that poster seriously at this point and I can understand other regulars to this forum who are taking the replies seriously becoming frustrated by that persons 'duck and weave' attitude instead of, even occasionally, acknowledging the merit of opposing posters when they are shown to be wrong.
This is not to say that this is a modding issue, I've reread the thread in anticipation of this post and at no point has the poster said/done anything which would fall outside the guidelines for the forums, but their particular style is very frustrating for respondents who are attempting to defend a breed they obviously care about and regarding two incidents which all of us take very seriously, both in the context of the effect they, potentially, can have on dog welfare and, obviously, the impact those incidents have had on those directly involved.
This is intended, hopefully visibly, as an observation and not intended as being insulting or attempting to formulate discord.0 -
Evac101 -- if you have an issue with a post use the report post function.
If you don't like a poster you don't have to respond to them. I had not yet had the time to construct a reply to your PM as I'm in work at the moment so I don't appreciate you taking this on thread.
We have a view of 'attack the post not the poster' -- posting off topic comments such as 'I'm going to sit back with my popcorn' (ad lib) are not welcome on threads and can be just as annoying as potential trolling.
I don't recall any posts from this thread being reported by yourself which is how you should bring any potential bad posts/posters to moderators attention.
Do not reply to this post on thread and do not drag this topic off thread.0 -
FueledByAisling wrote: »Child shouldn't have been left alone with a dog, I learnt my lesson as a youngster and had my cheek bitten off. Regardless the owners never put down the dog even though he'd tasted human blood and the dog later attacked two more children within it's life.A 2 year old playing with a Malamute.
That's what's wrong.
It's the parent's fault, simple as that.
Poor dog had to be killed over there stupidity.
What kind of idiot's let a 2 year old play with a Malamute.
2 year old playing
With this
Idiot's
I have one and would never let him play with a child.
Good post, nice picture and I'll add here a wiki quote;Malamutes sometimes cope poorly with smaller animals, including other canines; however, this has been difficult to document in detail beyond observational data. Many Malamute owners have observed this behavior with smaller animals, though some might speculate this is due to the Malamute's uniquely divergent ancestry, at some points cross-breeding with wolves.[1] Due to their naturally evolved beginnings, Malamutes tend to have greater prey drive than some other breeds. So while Malamutes are, as a general rule, particularly amiable around people and can be taught to tolerate other pets, it is necessary to be mindful of them around smaller animals and children.
Malamutes are quite fond of people, a trait that makes them particularly sought-after family dogs. Malamutes are nimble around furniture and smaller items, making them ideal house dogs, provided they get plenty of time outdoors meeting their considerable exercise requirements.
I suggest it not exercised, and it harboured a sneaking resentment that it should rightfully be above the toddler in status. So, when they were playing, it's infected (and neglected) ear maybe got a wallop accidentally, which it misinterpreted as the toddler attacking it. Then it decided to retaliate.
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ducksmalone wrote: »I heard the interview with the parent of the poor child,i was driving and had to pull over as i was shocked at the interview,my heart goes out to the poor girl and her family:(
Lets mention some of what is quoted in the article.....
Deep teeth wounds to head and upper body
She has up to 60 stitches in the back of her head and under her arm and behind her ear," Mr O'Donoghue said
I recall in his Radio interview,the Dad saying,he had seen a pig killed before but on this occasion he had never seen the quantity of blood anywhere,thats roughly what he said.:(
so for the people who wanted to phone and encouraged others to phone clarefm to defend the breed and to the people who thanked posts....... im not sure what i think of you,and to the people who are attacking the Warden........ words fail me,seriously,they do:(
TALK ABOUT POOR TIMING:rolleyes: what do you think the parent of the child would say to you if you met him face to face when you defend the breed vs the injuries his daughter suffered? serious question,well?
i guess you guys are more about preserving the nature and breed of the dog rather than concerning yourselves with the real issue,which is,the utter devastation,hurt and heartbreak this dog has the potential to cause to a child or human being.:(
i really do hope lessons are learned from this,i really do.
signed,
a sad poster:(
horrible for the child , but the owner should not have left the dog with a child and the parents should not have left the child with a dog. And if the parents want to jump on every media wagon with their story then questions are going to be asked, why the hell was a three year old let off with a dog???
I have two huskys pups and if you actually research the bread you will discover they are one of the most useless guard dogs out there ... why because they are not aggressive and would be more likely to welcome an intruder in and lick them to death before attacking them.
I also read it wasnt a pure breed sib husky.
Any animal can be agressive if they are not trained and looked after properly the only innocent person is the child totaly unfair for the child to suffer at the expence of those who are sappos to be looking after her.0 -
So pissed off by today's article in the daily mail. Apparently a model posing with a husky is glamorising dangerous huskies! Huskies are also hunting dogs! And the mother of the boy attacked in limerick is calling for huskies to be banned and put on the dangerous dogs list, 2 lines down is says he was attacked by an Alaskan malamute husky! Which of course are now bred to take down bears!!
Really all it takes is a 5 minute google search to be a better journalist than those excuses of journalists!0 -
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So pissed off by today's article in the daily mail. Apparently a model posing with a husky is glamorising dangerous huskies! Huskies are also hunting dogs! And the mother of the boy attacked in limerick is calling for huskies to be banned and put on the dangerous dogs list, 2 lines down is says he was attacked by an Alaskan malamute husky! Which of course are now bred to take down bears!!
Really all it takes is a 5 minute google search to be a better journalist than those excuses of journalists!
Uh, so glad you posted about this, I saw it (I only buy the Mail on a Saturday cos I like the recipes in You Magazine I SWEAR!!!) and I was sooooo flipping mad it was the biggest pile of rubbish, like you say a 5 min google search would make you a better journo. Alaskan malamute husky!!! Ahhhh!!!:mad:0 -
Tranceypoo wrote: »Uh, so glad you posted about this, I saw it (I only buy the Mail on a Saturday cos I like the recipes in You Magazine I SWEAR!!!) and I was sooooo flipping mad it was the biggest pile of rubbish, like you say a 5 min google search would make you a better journo. Alaskan malamute husky!!! Ahhhh!!!:mad:
Sorry guys but the articles in those newspapers are always trash and by buying/reading them you are just encouraging the bile they produce.0 -
Childs mother is calling for a ban on huskys following the attack:rolleyes:
http://www.limerickleader.ie/community/limerick-mother-calls-for-ban-on-husky-dogs-following-attacks-1-37731490 -
what about a ban on dumb ass people who leave small children out with animals:rolleyes:.0
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meoklmrk91 wrote: »Childs mother is calling for a ban on huskys following the attack:rolleyes:
http://www.limerickleader.ie/community/limerick-mother-calls-for-ban-on-husky-dogs-following-attacks-1-3773149
They should ban her from owning a dog for life.
She has no business with a dog, especially a gorgeous Malamute.
Siberian Husky, Malamutes are beautiful gentle dogs when cared for.
99.99% of good owners can vouch for that.
You will always get stupid people who can't look after dogs and then blame the dog.0 -
calfmuscle wrote: »Sorry guys but the articles in those newspapers are always trash and by buying/reading them you are just encouraging the bile they produce.
I don't pay for it, I work in a shop so I read them on my lunch. I refuse to buy any papers because all they ever contain is rubbish, still entertaining to read this rubbish on my lunch though!0 -
calfmuscle wrote: »Sorry guys but the articles in those newspapers are always trash and by buying/reading them you are just encouraging the bile they produce.
I don't pay for it, I work in a shop so I read them on my lunch. I refuse to buy any papers because all they ever contain is rubbish, still entertaining to read this rubbish on my lunch though!
The problem here is ALL the papers are trash as far as this story (the Limerick one) and the second attack are concerned. For the umpteenth time... It WAS NOT Husky in Limerick.
And why then is the mother calling for a ban on all huskies? How bout a ban on idiots buying high energy breed dogs and never exercising them!!! Or a ban on lazy, scare mongering journalism.
Or maybe a ban on even bigger idiots leaving a small child alone with a dog the size of the moon!
My Sibe is on the floor here beside myself and my partner and we're all utterly shattered after another marathon each walked this week among other treks.
I was in Cork today and overheard 3 people knocking the breed over breakfast. Enough is enough.
Hugo is flat out on the floor... Good as gold again all week and why wouldnt he be? Well exercised, stimulated and fed like a king.
Never to be discarded for days on end and never to be left alone with a child.
Jesus wept!!!! I'm off to bed. Can't deal with any more if this nonsense today.0 -
meoklmrk91 wrote: »Childs mother is calling for a ban on huskys following the attack:rolleyes:
http://www.limerickleader.ie/community/limerick-mother-calls-for-ban-on-husky-dogs-following-attacks-1-3773149
They should ban her from owning a dog for life.
She has no business with a dog, especially a gorgeous Malamute.
Siberian Husky, Malamutes are beautiful gentle dogs when cared for.
99.99% of good owners can vouch for that.
You will always get stupid people who can't look after dogs and then blame the dog.
Well said!!! Now I'm off to bed...0 -
Julia London wrote: »http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hero-neighbour-rescues-toddler-as-pet-dog-goes-beserk-3072116.html
God im shoocked I have a 6 year old samoyed husky myself.
Anyone know are they on the dangerous dogs list?
I breed the samoyed myself so i know they are not.
There is no bad dogs just bad onwers.0 -
I've heard stories about a GSD which attacked a child, and was PTS immediately, after the dog was destroyed the vet found a crayon lodged in it's ear...
No one can say why the dog attacked the way it did, and likewise no one can say with certainty the dog wasn't walked / worked properly.
All it would take for a dog to attack a child or anyone of any age would be a finger in the eye or ear, pulling or stretching it's fur, or tail, and parents and owners will have to take the responsibility.
The human is the only one out of the partnership with any form of real intelligence, yes some dogs are very smart, they will do any trick for a treat and a cuddle, but dogs will not practice restraint like a human would, if it feels attacked or threatened it will respond in kind.
This is why I feel the parents, albeit indirectly are responsible for what happened, my heart goes out to the families, I feel nothing but sympathy for them, but I cannot and will not ever hold a dog responsible for it's actions, even my own dog, suddenly decided to attack, I would have to face the fact that I have done something, or failed to do something to prevent it.
Handlers must be 16 years old, they must be able to control the dog and overpower it if needs be, any dog unleashed around a child without an adult on the other end of the leash is asking for trouble, and when I say any dog, I mean ANY dog, terriers, toy dogs, medium to XL dogs all have the same potential.
So I would ask that everyone practice some common sense, and remove the potential for danger, before someone comes to remove your dog.0 -
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Seriously, the Limerick incident wasn't a husky, yet the warden said it was and basically said dogs like that are dangerous and then Mom comes along and says she wants a ban on Huskys?!!
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I've heard stories about a GSD which attacked a child, and was PTS immediately, after the dog was destroyed the vet found a crayon lodged in it's ear....
I know where I'd be sticking the crayon next.No one can say why the dog attacked the way it did, and likewise no one can say with certainty the dog wasn't walked / worked properly.
All it would take for a dog to attack a child or anyone of any age would be a finger in the eye or ear, pulling or stretching it's fur, or tail, and parents and owners will have to take the responsibility.
The human is the only one out of the partnership with any form of real intelligence, yes some dogs are very smart, they will do any trick for a treat and a cuddle, but dogs will not practice restraint like a human would, if it feels attacked or threatened it will respond in kind.
This is why I feel the parents, albeit indirectly are responsible for what happened, my heart goes out to the families, I feel nothing but sympathy for them, but I cannot and will not ever hold a dog responsible for it's actions, even my own dog, suddenly decided to attack, I would have to face the fact that I have done something, or failed to do something to prevent it.
Handlers must be 16 years old, they must be able to control the dog and overpower it if needs be, any dog unleashed around a child without an adult on the other end of the leash is asking for trouble, and when I say any dog, I mean ANY dog, terriers, toy dogs, medium to XL dogs all have the same potential.
So I would ask that everyone practice some common sense, and remove the potential for danger, before someone comes to remove your dog.
Great post, dead right. Its obviously up to the owner and in some cases, the child to take responsibility. Anyone blaming an entire species or even a breed of the species is a total imbecile.0 -
Seriously, the Limerick incident wasn't a husky, yet the warden said it was and basically said dogs like that are dangerous and then Mom comes along and says she wants a ban on Huskys?!!
If it wasn't so serious, it'd be funny
I want a ban on irresponsible parents, some hope of that.0 -
Poor kid and the poor dog.
one word on "dog wardens". i rescued my pup from a pound. took them 10 minutes to guess the sex of the dog and they couldn't tell me how old she was either.
clearly very well educated bunch.
i'm not a fan of bigger dogs tbh but i do have a soft spot for malamute dogs but you need an awful lot of time and energy for them..
Hopefully ireland can change our laws making dog owners reaponsible, rather than blaming an animal what can't answer for its actions.0 -
- alot of human contact, alot means if you're at home, it suits them much better if they're alowed to hang around your presence. Ie if you're inside the dog should have the option of being inside too, instead of being left outside on his own. They get bored very easily and for them just to be able to sit on your toes in the sitting room or nuzzle your hand as you go about your business around the house.
I could feel tears welling up when I read this...:( It's a disgrace that that poor dog is going to be pts, the feckin' owners should be p to feckin' s (well, fined anyway and banned from keeping dogs):mad:..leaving a baby alone with a dog no matter what breed or size, especially a young dog whose temperament may not be fully realised. My wee terriers attack toys with ferocity but that's how they play...They're fiercely loyal, loving and affectionate but I wouldn't dream of leaving them with a tot.
After reading further I see that the child's mother was with the child when this horrific thing happened. Very difficult for a woman to handle a big dog who was in a frenzy, she really shouldn't have had the child on the ground, too big a risk of something bad happening. Maybe the dog did get out for long, long daily walks and was well cared for, we don't know for sure (unless something else has come up in the thread to say it didn't further on than I have read) but it most definitely could've had a better home, somewhere that its size and strength was appreciated. You wouldn't let your toddler teeter about on the edge of a cliff never mind putting her down beside a powerful unleashed dog. So sad that he had to be pts...surely there's a sanctuary somewhere that would've taken him..The husky breed is so totally beautiful, such a waste.0 -
I could feel tears welling up when I read this...:( It's a disgrace that that poor dog is going to be pts, the feckin' owners should be p to feckin' s (well, fined anyway and banned from keeping dogs):mad:..leaving a baby alone with a dog no matter what breed or size, especially a young dog whose temperament may not be fully realised. My wee terriers attack toys with ferocity but that's how they play...They're fiercely loyal, loving and affectionate but I wouldn't dream of leaving them with a tot.
After reading further I see that the child's mother was with the child when this horrific thing happened. Very difficult for a woman to handle a big dog who was in a frenzy, she really shouldn't have had the child on the ground, too big a risk of something bad happening. Maybe the dog did get out for long, long daily walks and was well cared for, we don't know for sure (unless something else has come up in the thread to say it didn't further on than I have read) but it most definitely could've had a better home, somewhere that its size and strength was appreciated. You wouldn't let your toddler teeter about on the edge of a cliff never mind putting her down beside a powerful unleashed dog. So sad that he had to be pts...surely there's a sanctuary somewhere that would've taken him..The husky breed is so totally beautiful, such a waste.
Not having a go at you Ann22... as you make valid points...
The husky breed is indeed a beautiful breed. JUST TO CLARIFY - The dog in question (Mother in Limerick) was NOT a husky. Despite what the media would have you believe.
An alaskan malamute is a far bigger animal and Id imagine takes more to exercise. Now I know NOTHING about this woman or her circumstances. I'm just saying I'd imagine a dog like that would take some walking. And as i didn't see a father figure mentioned in the papers - I'd have to wonder when the animal was walked IF, and I say IF she was a single mother of a 2 year old. Again - more food for thought than a generalisation on someone I know nothing about.
I have no kids and my partner splits the walking/exercising with me. I live a mile from work and he's trained daily at lunch with walks/runs EVERY morning and EVERY evening. We cover on average a marathon a week... each!
So for all those reading this thread OR the bull**** articles these past few weeks, thinking Huskies are vicious. They most certainly are not. Especially parents - Forget about the breed and think about your situation... Think as a parent... considering a dog that needs this much exercise and attention... and having it around kids, the dog bursting with unused energy, being pulled at and poked.
Please...
Because the breed is getting a bad name this past month.
And it's TOTALLY unwarranted. In my humble opinion.0 -
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Originally Posted by mickmcl09
- alot of human contact, alot means if you're at home, it suits them much better if they're alowed to hang around your presence. Ie if you're inside the dog should have the option of being inside too, instead of being left outside on his own. They get bored very easily and for them just to be able to sit on your toes in the sitting room or nuzzle your hand as you go about your business around the house.
This x 1000...
Mixed carefully with a proper yard area and crate training makes for one very very happy animal IMO. Lunchtime, evenings and weekends my Husky is indoors for a half hour here or an hour there. Mostly panned on the floor beside me/us or following us around the house downstairs - just looking for some attention and acknowledgement. Its a balance between exercise, yard time and attention indoors when we're home.
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Not having a go at you Ann22... as you make valid points...
The husky breed is indeed a beautiful breed. JUST TO CLARIFY - The dog in question (Mother in Limerick) was NOT a husky. Despite what the media would have you believe.
Excuse my ignorance Hooked, their colouring is similar. A man living beside my mother has one of those I think, he's huge and just totally gorgeous. I was passing his house one day with one of my wee JRs and the owner asked me if I'd like to fight them:eek:...think he was joking:D.0 -
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Not having a go at you Ann22... as you make valid points...
The husky breed is indeed a beautiful breed. JUST TO CLARIFY - The dog in question (Mother in Limerick) was NOT a husky. Despite what the media would have you believe.
Excuse my ignorance Hooked, their colouring is similar. A man living beside my mother has one of those I think, he's huge and just totally gorgeous. I was passing his house one day with one of my wee JRs and the owner asked me if I'd like to fight them:eek:...think he was joking:D.
Nail on the head Ann22. Their colouring IS similar. As are many other mixes/crosses. And that's my problem with the media, newspaper pics and the warden involved.
Husky this, husky that... Cue everyone jumping on the bandwagon.
If this thread has served any purpose... It's been to distinguish the breed, establish the facts and educate people to what's involved in owning one.
Again. Nothing directed at you Ann22. Just the thread and media as a whole.
Now, my fella needs his 15 mins of training before I head back to the office.0
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