Time to bow before the queen?

laoch na mona

I rather get to vote in a referendum on a united ireland

bnt

The OP's premise is flawed: it assumes that the UK would want the 26 Counties in the UK. Yeah, like the Exchequer needs another few hundred billions of pounds of national debt, and another million Souls for the Dole. I can imagine some civil servant in Whitehall seeing this thread and laughing his wig off. :pac:

forfuxsake

laoch na mona wrote: »

I rather get to vote in a referendum on a united ireland

which it would be. Perhaps we could vote yes, vote the state (and its debts) out of existence and then five years down the line have a second referendum and create a new state.

repeat as necessary.

charlemont

forfuxsake wrote: »

Given that more Irish people choose to live under British rule than under Irish rule. (6,000,000 in Britain + population of NI) is it time for referendum for a united Ireland under British rule?

Now the idea sickens me but as my belief in democracy is stronger than my republicanism, then part of me feels such a referendum would be fair.

A united Ireland under British rule would enjoy a lot of autonomy as does NI and Scotland. Perhaps more autonomy than we will 10 years from now anyway.

What do you think, should we have a referendum and how would you vote?

Why should the English pay for us destroying our own economy ?

charlemont

laoch na mona wrote: »

I rather get to vote in a referendum on a united ireland

At least a large Unionist minority would in some way keep an eye on our own useless politicians, Preventing them from wrecking the place again.

laoch na mona

charlemont wrote: »

At least a large Unionist minority would in some way keep an eye on our own useless politicians, Preventing them from wrecking the place again.

when did they ever reck the place?
your politicians are better then ghandi and martin luther king combined i assume

charlemont

laoch na mona wrote: »

when did they ever reck the place?
your politicians are better then ghandi and martin luther king combined i assume

What are you on ?? And can I have some of it ..

when did they ever reck the place? Well Duh ! Where to begin, Recession, corruption, unemployment etc etc

your politicians are better then ghandi and martin luther king combined i assume
Yes I have my own personal politicians and a hotline to Obama. There a great bunch of lads...

laoch na mona

charlemont wrote: »

What are you on ?? And can I have some of it ..

when did they ever reck the place? Well Duh ! Where to begin, Recession, corruption, unemployment etc etc

your politicians are better then ghandi and martin luther king combined i assume
Yes I have my own personal politicians and a hotline to Obama. There a great bunch of lads...

the party i support has always been in opposition so they didn't cause any of these problems

charlemont

laoch na mona wrote: »

the party i support has always been in opposition so they didn't cause any of these problems

Yea, I can guess what party too. I also support them.

Chuck Stone

charlemont wrote: »

At least a large Unionist minority would in some way keep an eye on our own useless politicians, Preventing them from wrecking the place again.

There's really no guarantee that fiscal prudence would have prevailed if we would have had Unionists sitting in the Dail in a UI during the boom.

charlemont

Chuck Stone wrote: »

There's really no guarantee that fiscal prudence would have prevailed if we would have had Unionists sitting in the Dail in a UI during the boom.

Well yea, None of us could predict how things could have been but they would have probably made a much better opposition to FF or FF style politics, They would have been uproar from them about how badly the place is run. The idea of them watching may possibly have led to the cute hoorism not getting totally out of hand as it did during the boom. Just theoretically thinking though.

KeithAFC

charlemont wrote: »

Well yea, None of us could predict how things could have been but they would have probably made a much better opposition to FF or FF style politics, They would have been uproar from them about how badly the place is run. The idea of them watching may possibly have led to the cute hoorism not getting totally out of hand as it did during the boom. Just theoretically thinking though.

Unionists in the Dail? Why?

And of course Unionism would have made more of an uproar. You think Ian Paisley and co would have bent over and taken it like many seem to have done from the politicians in the dail?

LordSutch

I say stuff Olivia O'Leary, why not bow? she's a real Queen, she's a lady, she's been on the throne for sixty years and never put a foot wrong, she's queen of part of this island too, and its polite & a mark of respect to bow, so Yes is my answer, I would bow to Her Maj.

fasttalkerchat

KeithAFC wrote: »

And of course Unionism would have made more of an uproar. You think Ian Paisley and co would have bent over and taken it like many seem to have done from the politicians in the dail?

Agree with you there. Politicians north of the border may bicker like kids but the closer you get to Dublin the less people care about the state of the country. There are more west brits in Dublin than in Belfast.

fasttalkerchat

LordSutch wrote: »

I say stuff Olivia O'Leary, why not bow? she's a real Queen, she's a lady, she's been on the throne for sixty years and never put a foot wrong, she's queen of part of this island too, and its polite & a mark of respect to bow, so Yes is my answer, I would bow to Her Maj.

Would you therefore expect her to bow back to you? You would be waiting for a while. Respect and politeness should not be confused with subservience.

woodoo

irish-stew wrote: »

LOL, the UK can barly afford to keep NI, what makes you think they could keep the rest of us?.

Ireland as a whole whether in the union or out of it would be a lot more economically viable than the current set up.

LordSutch

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Would you therefore expect her to bow back to you? You would be waiting for a while. Respect and politeness should not be confused with subservience.

QEII is the real thing, and I would certainly bow to her.

Can I also just say that the title of this thread is a little confusing I answered YES to "Time to bow before the queen"? but I then read on to realise that the thread is about the ROI rejoining the UK! so is the Poll for bowing to the Queen, or rejoining the UK?

Xivilai

Um yes, lets all have a reunion and never speak about the little falling out - you know when we shot them repeatedly in order to get away from them.

woodoo

LordSutch wrote: »

QEII is the real thing, and I would certainly bow to her.

Can I also just say that the title of this thread is a little confusing I answered YES to "Time to bow before the queen"? but I then read on to realise that the thread is about the ROI rejoining the UK! so is the Poll for bowing to the Queen, or rejoining the UK?

Are you an English man living in Ireland or an Irishman of British identity?

charlemont

KeithAFC wrote: »

Unionists in the Dail? Why?

And of course Unionism would have made more of an uproar. You think Ian Paisley and co would have bent over and taken it like many seem to have done from the politicians in the dail?

Exactly, Big Ian would have reduced some of the useless shower of gombeen politicians down here to tears.

forfuxsake

LordSutch wrote: »

QEII is the real thing, and I would certainly bow to her.

Can I also just say that the title of this thread is a little confusing I answered YES to "Time to bow before the queen"? but I then read on to realise that the thread is about the ROI rejoining the UK! so is the Poll for bowing to the Queen, or rejoining the UK?

the title is a metaphor. read the OP.

LordSutch

woodoo wrote: »

Are you an English man living in Ireland or an Irishman of British identity?

Southern, Irish, Unionist/British heritage (not English).

KeithAFC

charlemont wrote: »

Exactly, Big Ian would have reduced some of the useless shower of gombeen politicians down here to tears.

Mike Nesbitt who is now UUP leader says he will attend FG and FF Ard fheis in future. Perhaps Unionism will try to get more involved in Southern politicians in some capacity. The Dail would be completely different if it had some Ulster Unionism in it.

woodoo

KeithAFC wrote: »

Mike Nesbitt who is now UUP leader says he will attend FG and FF Ard fheis in future. Perhaps Unionism will try to get more involved in Southern politicians in some capacity. The Dail would be completely different if it had some Ulster Unionism in it.

Sensible unionist politicians would get lots of support in the South. We have become so disillusioned with our current crop of shysters.

Maybe Mike can speak at the Ard Fheis's and tell them how bad it looks that we have had such corruption here. And even worse that once its uncovered the Guards don't seem interested in arresting anyone.

Mike seems like a decent guy.

LordSutch

Dare I mention re joining the commonwealth as a carrot to woo those Unionists you speak of?

Wild Bill

LordSutch wrote: »

Dare I mention re joining the commonwealth as a carrot to woo those Unionists you speak of?

I rather you didn't.

later12

Yes to the federal British republic.

With two qualifications:

1) only if the UK joined the Euro area
2) provided that Ireland retained its parliament in Dublin for domestic policy.

In such a scenario, Irish people would be in a position to be real contributors to the European Union and the single currency. If Britain ever joined the Euro (and preferably deposed its monarchy) anything less than a reunion would be foolish and irrational in my opinion.

Having said that, the above scenario is extremely unlikely to happen, and we should have no truck with unification in its absence. In the current set-up, we are far better off in a United Europe than we are in a United Kingdom.

awec

later12 wrote: »

Yes to the federal British republic.

With two qualifications:

1) only if the UK joined the Euro area
2) provided that Ireland retained its parliament in Dublin for domestic policy.

In such a scenario, Irish people would be in a position to be real contributors to the European Union and the single currency. If Britain ever joined the Euro (and preferably deposed its monarchy) anything less than a reunion would be foolish and irrational in my opinion.

Having said that, the above scenario is extremely unlikely to happen, and we should have no truck with unification in its absence. In the current set-up, we are far better off in a United Europe than we are in a United Kingdom.

With the current troubles in greece etc the chances of the UK joining the Euro are zilch. The problems and impracticalities of a single currency are coming out.

Imagine Ireland hadn't adopted the Euro when it did. There is absolutely no chance we'd be adopting it now or at any point in the near future.

Doc Ruby

Good to see the usual suspects didn't take long getting out the gate.

The population of the country still hasn't recovered from the last time those complete fucking idiots had charge of the place, so no.

If the UK wanted to disband its governmental apparatus and join the Republic as a vassal state, I could live with that, as long as we get our cut of the taxes.

If not we'll just have to take it one piece at a time, really, starting with the north.

Oh yeah.

later12

later12 wrote: »

Yes to the federal British republic.

With two qualifications:

1) only if the UK joined the Euro area
2) provided that Ireland retained its parliament in Dublin for domestic policy.

In such a scenario, Irish people would be in a position to be real contributors to the European Union and the single currency. If Britain ever joined the Euro (and preferably deposed its monarchy) anything less than a reunion would be foolish and irrational in my opinion.

Having said that, the above scenario is extremely unlikely to happen, and we should have no truck with unification in its absence. In the current set-up, we are far better off in a United Europe than we are in a United Kingdom.

Depose the monarchy!!!! You should be beheaded at dawn for treason!

Nodin

KeithAFC wrote: »

Mike Nesbitt who is now UUP leader says he will attend FG and FF Ard fheis in future. Perhaps Unionism will try to get more involved in Southern politicians in some capacity. The Dail would be completely different if it had some Ulster Unionism in it.

.....maybe better quality of abuse from those who preach on the side, but other than that......

Nodin

later12 wrote: »

Yes to the federal British republic.

With two qualifications:

1) only if the UK joined the Euro area
2) provided that Ireland retained its parliament in Dublin for domestic policy.

In such a scenario, Irish people would be in a position to be real contributors to the European Union and the single currency. If Britain ever joined the Euro (and preferably deposed its monarchy) anything less than a reunion would be foolish and irrational in my opinion.

Having said that, the above scenario is extremely unlikely to happen, and we should have no truck with unification in its absence. In the current set-up, we are far better off in a United Europe than we are in a United Kingdom.

As trying to get out of following the anglo-saxon model is the reason some of us supported the whole EU idea in the 1st place, I'd have to say "Nein" to that one.

xsiborg

i would have voted "yes" in said hypothetical referendum, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's never going to happen because britain wouldn't want us, let alone the thought of having to prop up our shíte economy, they have enough economic and social problems of their own.

all this talk of how we "fought" for our independence, britain could've crushed the uprising like a bug on their shoe if they'd wanted to, but they had better things to be doing in europe, and they'd nothing to gain from maintaining control over an economically poor country, same reason they handed hong kong back to the chinese government in '97. why didnt they do this with the north of ireland? unionists wanted to stay tied to the UK, and so, thatcher wasnt too bothered signing the anglo-irish agreement with the stipulation that the north would be handed back to the irish government when two thirds of the people in the north wanted to rejoin the republic, because she knew it was never going to happen.

and now we have a situation where politicians feathering their own nests have a playpen called the northern parliament so that they have a place to go every day and play silly beggars under the guise of a "government", just to keep them happy.

ah but sure lets yap on about how we want to maintain our meaningless "sovereignty", while we want to do away with the irish language, and sit back and watch our favorite english team in the soccer.

.

lividduck

xsiborg wrote: »

i would have voted "yes" in said hypothetical referendum, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's never going to happen because britain wouldn't want us, let alone the thought of having to prop up our shíte economy, they have enough economic and social problems of their own.

all this talk of how we "fought" for our independence, britain could've crushed the uprising like a bug on their shoe if they'd wanted to, but they had better things to be doing in europe, and they'd nothing to gain from maintaining control over an economically poor country, same reason they handed hong kong back to the chinese government in '97. why didnt they do this with the north of ireland? unionists wanted to stay tied to the UK, and so, thatcher wasnt too bothered signing the good friday agreement with the stipulation that the north would be handed back to the irish government when two thirds of the people in the north wanted to rejoin the republic, because she knew it was never going to happen.

and now we have a situation where politicians feathering their own nests have a playpen called the northern parliament so that they have a place to go every day and play silly beggars under the guise of a "government", just to keep them happy.

ah but sure lets yap on about how we want to maintain our meaningless "sovereignty", while we want to do away with the irish language, and sit back and watch our favorite english team in the soccer.

Thatcher didn't sign the Belfast Agreement, that was Blair!

Sheeps

id rather be united under germany

Iwasfrozen

Sheeps wrote: »

id rather be united under germany

I'd rather be under yo' ma.

xsiborg

lividduck wrote: »

Thatcher didn't sign the Belfast Agreement, that was Blair!

were you paying attention in primary school history lessons at all?

from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish_Agreement

The Anglo-Irish Agreement was an agreement between the United Kingdom and Ireland which aimed to help bring an end to the Troubles in Northern Ireland.[1] The treaty gave the Irish government an advisory role in Northern Ireland's government while confirming that there would be no change in the constitutional position of Northern Ireland unless a majority of its people agreed to join the Republic. It also set out conditions for the establishment of a devolved consensus government in the region.

The Agreement was signed on 15 November 1985 at Hillsborough Castle, by the British Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, and the Irish Taoiseach, Garret FitzGerald.

lividduck

xsiborg wrote: »

were you paying attention in primary school history lessons at all?

from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish_Agreement

Read your own post, YOU said the Good Friday Agreement!
Originally Posted by xsiborg
i would have voted "yes" in said hypothetical referendum, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's never going to happen because britain wouldn't want us, let alone the thought of having to prop up our shíte economy, they have enough economic and social problems of their own.

all this talk of how we "fought" for our independence, britain could've crushed the uprising like a bug on their shoe if they'd wanted to, but they had better things to be doing in europe, and they'd nothing to gain from maintaining control over an economically poor country, same reason they handed hong kong back to the chinese government in '97. why didnt they do this with the north of ireland? unionists wanted to stay tied to the UK, and so, thatcher wasnt too bothered signing the good friday agreement with the stipulation that the north would be handed back to the irish government when two thirds of the people in the north wanted to rejoin the republic, because she knew it was never going to happen.

and now we have a situation where politicians feathering their own nests have a playpen called the northern parliament so that they have a place to go every day and play silly beggars under the guise of a "government", just to keep them happy.

ah but sure lets yap on about how we want to maintain our meaningless "sovereignty", while we want to do away with the irish language, and sit back and watch our favorite english team in the soccer.

BrokenArrows

Where did you pull a figure of 6million from?

xsiborg

lividduck wrote: »

Read your own post, YOU said the Good Friday Agreement!

my honest apologies lividduck, thanks for pointing that one out and clearing up any confusion, post edited to reflect same...

NinjaK

Over 30% saying yes:rolleyes: Only on boards:rolleyes:

Nodin

lividduck wrote: »

Thatcher didn't sign the Belfast Agreement, that was Blair!

....but was he a product of a genetic experiment using Thatcher material?
http://www.htspweb.co.uk/bfn/mainpix7/bliarmask.jpg

lividduck

xsiborg wrote: »

my honest apologies lividduck, thanks for pointing that one out and clearing up any confusion, post edited to reflect same...

Accepted, I make enough mistakes myself!:)

Doc Ruby

xsiborg wrote: »

i would have voted "yes" in said hypothetical referendum, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's never going to happen because britain wouldn't want us

The EU won't have britain because they never came near meeting the criteria to join the EU. Still though I'd accept britain as a vassal state since the total market value of their property for sale is approximately £6 trillion, which is about equal to the reparations due after accounting for several million people murdered due to malice, incompetence, and outright genocidal tendencies. And lets not even talk about the displaced.

After weeding out the ones that don't bow at the waist to a harp (and they are well used to bowing, being subjects), we'll still have probably 70% of the population not evicted, which is a good thing because it would take a while for us to repopulate the place and wear and tear would render most of the country worthless in the meantime.

Lets hope they can learn Irish quickly.

xsiborg wrote: »

all this talk of how we "fought" for our independence, britain could've crushed the uprising like a bug on their shoe if they'd wanted to

Whose flag is it flying over government buildings again? Oh wait, not the UK. Its an Irish flag. So they lost. Failed. Figured out, slowly, that you need more than a machine gun to occupy a country. The shortest lived empire in history. Embarrassing really, I'd be ashamed to be associated with it.

bout3fiddy

I already have a british passport. The Republic of Ireland is no more. At least the british won't bow to the demands of franco german overlords in the European Parliment. Better off with our neighbours than these foreigners. We've just proven to the british they should have never let us become a non colony. It's a joke how poorly run this country is.

xsiborg

Doc i read your post a couple of times to try and fully understand what you were saying, so forgive me if i am misrepresenting or misunderstanding, i dont have the freshest head on me today as has already been displayed in this thread alone, but i still think the OP makes a valid point...

Doc Ruby wrote: »

The EU won't have britain because they never came near meeting the criteria to join the EU.

Britain are already part of the EU, the british public however, through successive referendums, have told the British government that they do not want to join a common european currency that is now hardly worth the paper it's printed on.

as opposed to the Irish government who met the lower criteria to join the euro, but decided "we want to play with the big boys!", and decided not to devalue the punt before joining the euro currency, effectively the beginning of our false economy that was the celtic tiger!

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Still though I'd accept britain as a vassal state since the total market value of their property for sale is approximately £6 trillion, which is about equal to the reparations due after accounting for several million people murdered due to malice, incompetence, and outright genocidal tendencies. And lets not even talk about the displaced.

successive irish governments since the formation of the state know all about incompetence already. and as for reparations for outright genocidal tendencies, that's a bit much surely? it was war, and we were lucky the british didnt decide to wipe us off the face of the planet, as they easily could have done back in 1916.

displaced? so i take it you dont want to talk then either about the mass emigration since the formation of the state of the irish people to britain to find work? they were not displaced, they left by choice, and found work in britain, but that's when britain was good enough for the irish.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

After weeding out the ones that don't bow at the waist to a harp (and they are well used to bowing, being subjects), we'll still have probably 70% of the population not evicted, which is a good thing because it would take a while for us to repopulate the place and wear and tear would render most of the country worthless in the meantime.



Lets hope they can learn Irish quickly.

you lost me here?

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Whose flag is it flying over government buildings again? Oh wait, not the UK. Its an Irish flag. So they lost. Failed. Figured out, slowly, that you need more than a machine gun to occupy a country. The shortest lived empire in history. Embarrassing really, I'd be ashamed to be associated with it.

they figured that given that they were better off using their resources to fight the german invasion (ironic that, seeing as how we'll all be bowing to germany soon enough!), than to bother wasting any more time and effort on a country with no resources left for them to bother occupying it.

44leto

Another act of union. why on Earth would the British take us back. I think they are glad to be shot of us and they would love to get rid of the North as well.

NinjaK

bout3fiddy wrote: »

I already have a british passport. The Republic of Ireland is no more. At least the british won't bow to the demands of franco german overlords in the European Parliment. Better off with our neighbours than these foreigners. We've just proven to the british they should have never let us become a non colony. It's a joke how poorly run this country is.

Oh Jesus, where do we find ye

Nodin

xsiborg wrote: »

.......


successive irish governments since the formation of the state know all about incompetence already. and as for reparations for outright genocidal tendencies, that's a bit much surely? it was war, and we were lucky the british didnt decide to wipe us off the face of the planet, as they easily could have done back in 1916.
.........

....you might recall there was the odd kerfuffle before 1916. Laws that were a bit harsh, one way holidays to the caribbean, not allowed in the swimming pool if you were of the catholic persuasion....

Doc Ruby

xsiborg wrote: »

Britain are already part of the EU, the british public however, through successive referendums, have told the British government that they do not want to join a common european currency that is now hardly worth the paper it's printed on.

I meant the eurozone, which The Great British Public couldn't join if they wanted to.

xsiborg wrote: »

as opposed to the Irish government who met the lower criteria to join the euro, but decided "we want to play with the big boys!", and decided not to devalue the punt before joining the euro currency, effectively the beginning of our false economy that was the celtic tiger!

There are plenty of very serious problems with the Irish government, but none that could not be made worse by being subordinate to britain.

xsiborg wrote: »

and as for reparations for outright genocidal tendencies, that's a bit much surely? it was war, and we were lucky the british didnt decide to wipe us off the face of the planet, as they easily could have done back in 1916.

Oh they made plenty of efforts to wipe us off the planet, and failed. It was war? What's your definition of war, prone civilians getting bayoneted by professional soldiers? Britain has a deep debt to pay, and not just to Ireland. I wouldn't want to be british, being honest, the future will not be a pleasant place.

xsiborg wrote: »

displaced? so i take it you dont want to talk then either about the mass emigration since the formation of the state of the irish people to britain to find work? they were not displaced, they left by choice, and found work in britain, but that's when britain was good enough for the irish.

You mean the USA and Australia surely, where the vast, vast bulk of the Irish diaspora currently resides.

xsiborg wrote: »

they figured that given that they were better off using their resources to fight the german invasion (ironic that, seeing as how we'll all be bowing to germany soon enough!), than to bother wasting any more time and effort on a country with no resources left for them to bother occupying it.

As ignorant comments go, that's the best one so far. No resources means write the place off and get yer murder on, never mind the people living there. Besides being painfully wrong, since we do in fact still have a fairly impressive GDP, it really highlights the halfassery that was britain.

Long live Scotland and Wales, whenever they become free! May they join Ireland in determining their own destinies, away from the ankle grabbing english.