Sweden crying out for engineers and IT people. Where's all the Irish?

franciebellew

With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?

Is it the same back home? Is everyone working in these professions?

wes

There is the same need here at least in the IT industry.

srsly78

We're all in London, the pay is much better. Sweden can fsck off with it's taxes.

AngryBollix

franciebellew wrote: »

With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?

Is it the same back home? Is everyone working in these professions?

Theyre in Australia

IM0

learning sweedish obviously

franciebellew

srsly78 wrote: »

We're all in London, the pay is much better. Sweden can fsck off with it's taxes.

Higher tax agreed but still a lot more Money in the arse pocket, way better crèches for kids for nothing and loads more holidays

Sleepy

Trying to find jobs with their Irish language and Religion skills obviously!

srsly78

franciebellew wrote: »

Higher tax agreed but still a lot more Money in the arse pocket, way better crèches for kids for nothing and loads more holidays

Wayyy less money. Also IT contractors don't get holidays :pac:

Zulu

Where are the ads? My bro is over there - I'd follow like a hotsnot if I got the oppertunity.

Anyone

Expensive place to live, crap licensing laws, ****ty 20 hour dark days in winter.

Nice women though!

The reason why Sweden has these labour shortages is because most Swedish with the relevant skills go to work elsewhere(Norway mostly)

pragmatic1

There's a huge shortage of IT people and engineers in this country too. You should check out what grads fresh out of college are earning in those two areas. The job situation for IT, engineering and to a lesser extent science, isn't too bad atm.

Cork boy 55

franciebellew wrote: »

With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?

Is it the same back home? Is everyone working in these professions?

no link por u
no irish speaka swedalingo

Zulu

Yeah but that rates here don't reflet that. Companies are using the recession to drive down costs.

c_man

Big shortage here as well. I have no firm figures but have a few friends over there and the money is better here.

Elvis_Presley

pragmatic1 wrote: »

There's a huge shortage of IT people and engineers in this country too. You should check out what grads fresh out of college are earning in those two areas. The job situation for IT, engineering and to a lesser extent science, isn't too bad atm.

What planet are you on? Life is difficult for graduate engineers- especially civils. In my graduating class of '09, of 120 students, less than 10 currently live in Ireland. And IT is all about experience - true starting salaries are OK, but not the big bucks being made a few years ago.

stupidusername

there may be jobs in IT in this country, but they're obviously choosey feckers. I can't get an unpaid job in it :mad:

pragmatic1

Elvis_Presley wrote: »

What planet are you on? Life is difficult for graduate engineers- especially civils. In my graduating class of '09, of 120 students, less than 10 currently live in Ireland. And IT is all about experience - true starting salaries are OK, but not the big bucks being made a few years ago.

All the lads I went to college with doing engineering have jobs. You should have a look at the starting salaries for IT grads, no other sector has entry level salaries that high.

Zulu

I dunno man, my next door neightbour is an engineer. Graduated about 2 years now. Himself & the larger chunk of his class are in Aus now. Made redundant. No jobs.

Are we all talking about the same type of engineering... Civil engineers are NOT IT engineers.

srsly78

stupidusername wrote: »

there may be jobs in IT in this country, but they're obviously choosey feckers. I can't get an unpaid job in it :mad:

You must not meet the basic requirement of having a pulse.

stupidusername

srsly78 wrote: »

You must not meet the basic requirement of having a pulse.

ah...didn't realise that was a requirement.

one place I interviewed with, when I asked why they were looking for an intern (JobBridge) they said purely financial reasons, they wanted someone good but couldn't afford to pay them. told me that they'd a lot of applicants, and took on someone else. two weeks later the ad is back up, still looking for an intern. obviously no one with enough experience was willing to work for free.

pragmatic1

Zulu wrote: »

I dunno man, my next door neightbour is an engineer. Graduated about 2 years now. Himself & the larger chunk of his class are in Aus now. Made redundant. No jobs.

Are we all talking about the same type of engineering... Civil engineers are NOT IT engineers.

Most I know did electronic and mechanical engineering.

Zulu

srsly78 wrote: »

You must not meet the basic requirement of having a pulse.

No need for that.
It's highly unlikely I'd take on someone advertising labour for free to work on a project I was managing. Too much libality, and too much time to invest in training.


@stupidusername good luck looking for work - it is all about experience. If you can't get dev work - try the test route. You could get beta test/UAT test work at a low rate to build up a couple years of experience. Then try and get into system test.
I can't offer you a job I'm afraid, but I'll give you any help/advice i can.

stupidusername

Zulu wrote: »

No need for that.
It's highly unlikely I'd take on someone advertising labour for free to work on a project I was managing. Too much libality, and too much time to invest in training.


@stupidusername good luck looking for work - it is all about experience. If you can't get dev work - try the test route. You could get beta test/UAT test work at a low rate to build up a couple years of experience. Then try and get into system test.
I can't offer you a job I'm afraid, but I'll give you any help/advice i can.

thanks, but even testing jobs are all about experience.

Sleepy

Support Desk for a software company is another good route into IT. The team I started with are variously working as implementation consultants, technical consultants, project managers, Sales / Pre Sales or BI Consultants.

Try on-spec applications to software companies you see doing well. e.g. when you see a big 'deal done' announcement for SAP etc. contact SAP and see if they're looking for junior support / implementation / UAT roles etc.

When I was leaving college in 2003 that's how I was the first person in our class to get work: I actively looked for it rather than looking for adverts for grad programmes.

Zulu

stupidusername wrote: »

thanks, but even testing jobs are all about experience.

I know, but you've more hope getting a test job for free than a dev job.

As Sleepy says, support desk also is a great route.

cocoshovel

Mayve becasue the Irish are deluded into thinking an ECDL qualification is a good IT work force!

I jest I jest :pac:

Red_Wake

How difficult can it be to get an IT job? I had one before I even did my final year exams, and so did a fair few of my classmates (and we couldn't all be top of our class:p).

stupidusername

Zulu wrote: »

I know, but you've more hope getting a test job for free than a dev job.

As Sleepy says, support desk also is a great route.

oh there's next to no intern test jobs!

i would do support desk, but ...i do hate people quite a bit. i will go for them though.

Red_Wake wrote: »

How difficult can it be to get an IT job? I had one before I even did my final year exams, and so did a fair few of my classmates (and we couldn't all be top of our class:p).

and what's an 'IT job' to you?

srsly78

People posting here obviously have a computer and the internets , that's all you need to train or work in IT. Create your own job if needed. Write some smartphone apps, very low barrier to entry. Even if it doesn't sell (it probably won't) it will provide good experience and something to put on CV.

All you gotta do is write "hello world" app, then you can put "experienced android software developer" on cv :pac: (loads of feckers actually do this, if you can't beat them join them)

token101

Their women are the business. But after the inevitable rejection for being amongst the ugliest people in the country, it would get dark at lunchtime, the offy would be closed, and you would be forced to trudge home in the dark through 6 feet of snow, sober as a judge. After the first month the boredom would make you mentally ill, and it wouldn't be much consolation that the healthcare is free.

srsly78

token101 wrote: »

Their women are the business. But after the inevitable rejection for being amongst the ugliest people in the country, it would get dark at lunchtime, the offy would be closed, and you would be forced to trudge home in the dark through 6 feet of snow, sober as a judge. After the first month the boredom would make you mentally ill, and it wouldn't be much consolation that the healthcare is free.

But after that when you flip out and start killing people the prison/hospital they put you in will be really nice and have saunas etc.

Red_Wake

stupidusername wrote: »

and what's an 'IT job' to you?

Software development.

You?

stupidusername

Red_Wake wrote: »

Software development.

You?

Same. I guess I must just be incredibly unintelligent so.

pragmatic1

stupidusername wrote: »

Same. I guess I must just be incredibly unintelligent so.

What websites do you look for jobs on?

rn

The Irish that are in IT are mostly working in Ireland... Its one of the few industries where the salaries have been jumping by considerable % over the last 3 years albeit after a time when the salaries were reducing in it.

I would agree stupidusername its tricky to get started in it... alot of places looking for experienced workers and places are also insisting in 2.1 or 1st class honours for new hires with just a degree - otherwise they want you with a good masters or higher qualification. And you gotto to know your CV inside and out.

Its also geographically unfavourable to alot of the country - many of the jobs are in Galway and Dublin... the ones outside those centres are hit and miss from my experience. Best of luck in the search and if you want any advice you can pm me.

stupidusername

pragmatic1 wrote: »

What websites do you look for jobs on?

jobs.ie, fas.ie, adverts.ie/jobs
they're pretty much all just showing the same jobs anyway. since i can't get an intern job I haven't bothered looking much at paid IT jobs tbh.

rn wrote: »

The Irish that are in IT are mostly working in Ireland... Its one of the few industries where the salaries have been jumping by considerable % over the last 3 years albeit after a time when the salaries were reducing in it.

I would agree stupidusername its tricky to get started in it... alot of places looking for experienced workers and places are also insisting in 2.1 or 1st class honours for new hires with just a degree - otherwise they want you with a good masters or higher qualification. And you gotto to know your CV inside and out.

Its also geographically unfavourable to alot of the country - many of the jobs are in Galway and Dublin... the ones outside those centres are hit and miss from my experience. Best of luck in the search and if you want any advice you can pm me.

I have a 2.1, and i'm living in Dublin.

Red_Wake

stupidusername wrote: »

Same. I guess I must just be incredibly unintelligent so.

My place is taking on grads this year, PM me if you want some info.

stupidusername

Red_Wake wrote: »

My place is taking on grads this year, PM me if you want some info.

thanks but i'm not a recent grad, hence my problem

pragmatic1

stupidusername wrote: »

jobs.ie, fas.ie, adverts.ie/jobs
they're pretty much all just showing the same jobs anyway. since i can't get an intern job I haven't bothered looking much at paid IT jobs tbh.



I have a 2.1, and i'm living in Dublin.

What about gradireland. Seen a fair amount of It jobs advertised there. Careerjet, indeed.ie are good websites to look at too. Would you consider working in the north, recruit NI isn't bad for jobs.

I done an internship too but before I got the position I had a few interviews for paid positions. Its worth a try and even if you don't get the job, it helps develop your interview skills.

I am available to work in IT. I'd be willing to move anywhere for a job at this stage.

I have 3 years testing experience with good SQL skills.

Anyone working for those companies can just shoot me a PM :cool:



/awaits flood of PMs

stupidusername

pragmatic1 wrote: »

What about gradireland. Seen a fair amount of It jobs advertised there. Careerjet, indeed.ie are good websites to look at too. Would you consider working in the north, recruit NI isn't bad for jobs.

See my last post.

never heard of indeed, thanks.
wouldn't consider the north

Nothingbetter2d

Sleepy wrote: »

Trying to find jobs with their Irish language and Religion skills obviously!

if the church ever need an it guy in a gaeltacht area it might be usefull

Zulu

salonfire wrote: »

I am available to work in IT. I'd be willing to move anywhere for a job at this stage.

I have 3 years testing experience

What sort of test experience? There seems to be a good bit on junior test roles about. Try the recruitment groups - vantage, cpl, it alliance

Zulu

Zulu wrote: »

What sort of test experience? There seems to be a good bit on junior test roles about. Try the recruitment groups - vantage, cpl, it alliance

Thanks for the reply Zulu

Functional and regression testing of web applications for a multinational.

I have been trying vantage and cpl with no success. Must try it alliance.


I keep hearing and reading about the demand for IT skills, yet I can't seem to find a job. Every college grad has at least some dev experience, albeit a small, possible shitty project.


Years ago, people used to be taken on as apprentices for baker, butcher, tailor, etc. Why can't the IT industry take on more grads as 'apprentices'?



Mmm, still no PMs

Socialist_Pig

franciebellew wrote: »

With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?

They're scared of getting harrassed by customs when they return home for a break:pac::pac:

dvpower

Chuchoter wrote: »

I hate all this ****e about computer engineering jobs and how great they are. Sure, maybe the starting salaries are great when your starting, but they more or less stay that way the more experience you get and its barely enough to keep a family going.

This isn't true. Software engineering is quite well paid for people with in demand skillsets. Salaries are market driven and at the moment, in the middle of a deep downturn in the rest of the economy, we are having to import engineers.

If you're a software engineer and you aren't getting the pay you deserve, its probably because you don't deserve it or you haven't demanded it.

starlit

wes wrote: »

There is the same need here at least in the IT industry.

True, same story for the UK. Though what's happening is that the IT Industry seem to hire those over seas than here though the exception with the UK they probably end up hiring more Irish than here and perhaps those from other countries as well.

Shame really in the case of Ireland as employers in the IT industry seem to favour oversea employees to fill jobs than Irish graduates with the exception of those highly experienced Irish people in the IT industry have a better chance of being hired in Ireland as well as abroad.

States in the Irish Independent the IT Crisis here in Ireland despite a high demand for IT people to fill jobs, having one or two or few programming languages under your belt isn't enough, some jobs require you have more than just one or two languages maybe a dozen or more along with other skills set to balance out the job spec.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/it-crisis-the-70k-a-year-jobs-we-just-cant-fill-in-ireland-3072132.html

Helix

isnt the standard of irish IT graduates seen as being fairly abysmal these days? i remember in an interview i did with one of the guys from Havok where he essentially said that the standard is so poor in ireland they'll rarely entertain any irish applicants

token101

Helix wrote: »

isnt the standard of irish IT graduates seen as being fairly abysmal these days? i remember in an interview i did with one of the guys from Havok where he essentially said that the standard is so poor in ireland they'll rarely entertain any irish applicants

Well if it's anything like UCC it's no wonder they're importing people. Appalling would be kind. The lecturers couldn't give a s**t what they're teaching and would download tutorials for us. And if you Googled the tutorial it was the first hit a lot of the time.

But we did learn by heart what colours were what when viewing them in hexidecimal and we also learned an apparently dead language that no one uses :rolleyes:

Helix

Helix wrote: »

isnt the standard of irish IT graduates seen as being fairly abysmal these days? i remember in an interview i did with one of the guys from Havok where he essentially said that the standard is so poor in ireland they'll rarely entertain any irish applicants

That guy from Havok is peddling total bullsh1t.

Irish IT grads come from the same background, have the same work ethic, come from the same universities as grads in Engineering, Medicine, Nursing, Business, Maths, etc

Why is it that Irish IT grads are so bad?
Are Irish Medicine grads bad as well? Have we Nursing grads going round accidently killing people?


I have the feeling that something else is at play when IT grads are always being talked down

jester77

salonfire wrote: »

I am available to work in IT. I'd be willing to move anywhere for a job at this stage.

I have 3 years testing experience with good SQL skills.

Anyone working for those companies can just shoot me a PM :cool:



/awaits flood of PMs

Any experience with capybara rspec/cucumber and selenium/webdriver?