Controversial Football Opinions - Mod Note #413

Seaneh

Andrea Pirlo should have won Player of the Tournament for the 2006 World Cup and The 2006 Ballon d'Or. Cannavaro Was pretty **** with Juventus that that season and not much better with Real Madrid the season after.

Daniele De Rossi needs to leave Roma.

Eric Cantona is criminally over rated by English football fans.
He was a big fish in a small pond and when compared to other Attacking Midfielders of his generation he falls short. The English League was pretty **** at the time, probably the 5th best in Europe behind Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

Pep Guardiola wasn't all that good as a player.
Once he left Barca he was ****, beyond **** really, and was caught using Nandrolone, which seemed to do nothing for him because he was lazy, slow, over weight most of the time and couldn't pick a pass more than 20 yards off either foot.

Arsen Wenger needs to leave Arsenal, not because he is doing a bad Job, but because he is doing the best job he possibly could given the odds against him.
He cannot compete financially with the others around him and if he ever wins another league with Arsenal it will be nothing short of a miracle. He will probably lose his best player this summer as well.

Handsome Bob

Kirby wrote: »

And I said was that those tragedies get alot less coverage. Which is true. And it's wrong.

Yeah, like to the "starvin' marvins" that you so eloquently referred to in your original post.

Warper

Seaneh wrote: »

Andrea Pirlo should have won Player of the Tournament for the 2006 World Cup and The 2006 Ballon d'Or. Cannavaro Was pretty **** with Juventus that that season and not much better with Real Madrid the season after.

Daniele De Rossi needs to leave Roma.

Eric Cantona is criminally over rated by English football fans.
He was a big fish in a small pan and when compared to other Attacking Midfielders of his generation he falls short. The English League was pretty **** at the time, probably the 5th best in Europe behind Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga and Ligue 1.

Pep Guardiola wasn't all that good as a player.
Once he left Barca he was ****, beyond **** really, and was caught using Nandrolone, which seemed to do nothing for him because he was lazy, slow, over weight most of the time and couldn't pick a pass more than 20 yards off either foot.

Arsen Wenger needs to leave Arsenal, not because he is doing a bad Job, but because he is doing the best job he possibly could given the odds against him.
He cannot compete financially with the others around him and if he ever wins another league with Arsenal it will be nothing short of a miracle. He will probably lose his best player this summer as well.

I agree about Cantona - its all well and good doing it in a domestic league but the real quality shines on a European level.

Disagree about Pep - he was a brilliant player and was practically semi-retired when he moved to Italy. He was Busquets without the histrionics.

CSF

Cannot for the life of me understand why people want to pointscore on tragic disasters. Idiocy.

The majority of human beings take this thread on lighthearted fashion and call a player crap or something, but unfortunately you get a few pure and utter creeps who want to rile people up about the tragic deaths of 96 people. Mank.

That_Guy

Tusky wrote: »

Agreed. Messi needs to sign for Newcastle before he can truly be considered the greatest of all time.

He'll not get a look in. Ben Arfa would be way above him in the pecking order followed by Obertan. :pac:

chips1234

international football is ****é

Adolf Hipster

Morricone wrote: »

Until he does that I will always have a slight doubt in the back of my mind. If he woke a sleeping giant like Newcastle, Atletico Madrid, Roma or Lazio and brought them to league and European glory he would absolutely cement his reputation as the greatest of all time, unquestionably.

Warper wrote: »

Alex Ferguson has never managed outside Britain. If he doesnt win a league title in another European country, then he will never be considered great. Only if he moved to Getafe or Catania and then won major trophies would i consider him to be a world class manager ala Mourinho.

Laois_Man

stankratz wrote: »

Yeah man, you're 100% on the ball with that one...

Great!

Now have you got much footage of him dancing around a couple of players when his team weren't actually already 4-0 up like the were there - or some other day when the game wasn't actually already won?

By the way....here's all the goals of the season since the premier league began. None by Cantona. But my question is, should all these players get the title "King" before their names too?

gosplan

CSF wrote: »

Cannot for the life of me understand why people want to pointscore on tragic disasters. Idiocy.

The majority of human beings take this thread on lighthearted fashion and call a player crap or something, but unfortunately you get a few pure and utter creeps who want to rile people up about the tragic deaths of 96 people. Mank.

Agree. It's up to Liverpool football club and it's supporters to remember that in whatever way they see fit for as long as they see fit.

As regards blaming fans, crushes and seas of supporters tightly packed in we're fairly commonplace at the time afaik. Not sure what was different that day but I doubt it was the fans. Sure, if they had all formed an orderly line, everything would have been fine but that didn't happen anywhere at the time.

Fowler87

Wes Hoolahan has the most technical ability of any Irish player over the last 10+ years. Yet he has only played one game for his country...

Mr Alan

This forum really has lost the run of itself.

What the ****-this is meant to be a lighthearted thread & instead it's full of ****ing bile.

I always thought there was a 'don't be a dick' rule for a purpose. Apparently not.

That_Guy

chips1234 wrote: »

international football is ****é..... only when Ireland play

FYP

keano_afc

I believe a small number of United's league title wins (especially in the mid to late 90's) are tainted due to the overwhelming help they recieved from officials, especially at Old Trafford. One or two seasons their margin of victory was only a couple of points that were garnered by some very questionable decisions. 99 sticks in my mind.

UEFA and FIFA should be disbanded and a new organisation set up. They are an embarrassment to football and run by dinosaurs.

Also, shepherding the ball out of play should be a foul. Its obstruction, and would be a free kick anywhere else on the pitch. Not sure if thats controversial though.

double GG

That to be considered the best player ever, you need to win a world cup.

gosplan

gosplan wrote: »

Agree. It's up to Liverpool football club and it's supporters to remember that in whatever way they see fit for as long as they see fit.

As regards blaming fans, crushes and seas of supporters tightly packed in we're fairly commonplace at the time afaik. Not sure what was different that day but I doubt it was the fans. Sure, if they had all formed an orderly line, everything would have been fine but that didn't happen anywhere at the time.

Read the Taylor report and you'll find out everything you want to, and who exactly was to blame.

So should the other tabloid lovers(not you btw) on here spouting shíte.

SM01

Not really controversial but there's a lack of accountability among players for poor results and media, fans and chairmen/MDs focus their ire far too often at the manager rather than the team.

citytillidie

gosplan wrote: »

Agree. It's up to Liverpool football club and it's supporters to remember that in whatever way they see fit for as long as they see fit.

As regards blaming fans, crushes and seas of supporters tightly packed in we're fairly commonplace at the time afaik. Not sure what was different that day but I doubt it was the fans. Sure, if they had all formed an orderly line, everything would have been fine but that didn't happen anywhere at the time.

I dunno maybe having a police superintendent in change of a major sporting event just 2 weeks into his job did not help either.

88 semi final went off ok the year before between both sides at the same venue.

But in 81 Spurs fans nearly suffered the same fate as liverpool fans at the same end due to crushing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtzHVe2mEN0

Melion

darokane wrote: »

Ticketless and drunk pool fans

There are no words to describe this idiocy

The_Kew_Tour

keano_afc wrote: »

99 sticks in my mind.

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which decisions?

Richard Hillman

Richard Dunne is pants. The odd last ditch blocked shot masks his poor performances.

LOI referees are corrupt.

Robbie Keane isnt loved by the Irish public because of his personality.

Jock Stein and Celtic fc did not report Jim Torbett to the police despite knowing what he did.

pickarooney

Wearing a football jersey with a player's name on it should be reserved for children under the age of 10. And football players whose names are the ones on their jerseys.

Oat23

Richard Hillman wrote: »

LOI referees are corrupt.

They're too stupid to be corrupt. They just suck.

Leiva

darokane wrote: »

I'm well educated

liverpool fans show up with no tickets and force their way forward

fryup wrote: »

i agree, read the comments from the user longreach a witness at Hillsborough in this thread

Im afraid neither of you are educated when it comes to the Hillsborough Disaster .

I urge you to take the few minutes to read this .

Then see the rushed excuses and political pressures the police got put under to cover it up for the disaster and crowd control travisity that it was .

Then see the other hard evidence and previous serious incidents to back up the reports that the Hillsborough Disaster was an accident waiting to happen.

Every club should count themselves lucky that they didnt progress in the FA Cup semi and find themselves playing at the death trap and ticking time bomb that was Hillsborough Football Stadium .

Then please come back on here and back up your previous claims , or we can setup a thread to debate it ,and not clutter up this one .
Cause if you truly believe that it was "drunking ticketless Liverpool supporters" that caused the tragedy you will have no problem in doing so.

Jesus Shaves

Melion wrote: »

There are no words to describe this idiocy

It's an opinion, If you don't like it don't bother answering

Mr Alan

Your opinion is wrong.

The earth being flat is an 'opinion', doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out what a ****ing idiot I am if I actually believe that.

stovelid

darokane wrote: »

Ticketless and drunk pool fans

That is utterly disgraceful.

Jesus Shaves

Mr Alan wrote: »

Your opinion is wrong.

The earth being flat is an 'opinion', doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out what a ****ing idiot I am if I actually believe that.

What a response, idiocracy at its finest.

Anyone any thoughts on Heysel? Also liverpool fans fault.

Leiva

darokane wrote: »

What a response, idiocracy at its finest.

Anyone any thoughts on Heysel? Also liverpool fans fault.

Do you want to back up or explain your opinions like I suggested in my last post ?

Cause if your not then be carful cause it may come across that you are trolling or on a WUM fest .

stumpypeeps

darokane wrote: »

What a response, idiocracy at its finest.

Anyone any thoughts on Heysel? Also liverpool fans fault.

You must be a dreadful person. Utterly dreadful.

Adolf Hipster

Leiva wrote: »

Im afraid neither of you are educated when it comes to the Hillsborough Disaster .

I urge you to take the few minutes to read this .

Then see the rushed excuses and political pressures the police got put under to cover it up for the disaster and crowd control travisity that it was .

Then see the other hard evidence and previous serious incidents to back up the reports that the Hillsborough Disaster was an accident waiting to happen.

Every club should count themselves lucky that they didnt progress in the FA Cup semi and find themselves playing at the death trap and ticking time bomb that was Hillsborough Football Stadium .

Then please come back on here and back up your previous claims , or we can setup a thread to debate it ,and not clutter up this one .
Cause if you truly believe that it was "drunking ticketless Liverpool supporters" that caused the tragedy you will have no problem in doing so.

great post nuts, but I would urge all pool fans to just ignore these guys, they're either looking for a reaction or they are just retarded.

Mr Alan

darokane wrote: »

What a response, idiocracy at its finest.

Anyone any thoughts on Heysel? Also liverpool fans fault.

Heysel was largely Liverpool fans fault. No argument. A appalling day in the history of football. Thankfully many of the people responsible for the deaths were apprehended & sent to prison. I'm not sure why that became relevant all of a sudden when we were discussing Hillsborough?

Care to explain why your causes of Hillsborough are not the same as the Taylor Enquiry & Report? What has you better placed to determine where the blame lies for that tragedy?

Jesus Shaves

Leiva wrote: »

Do you want to back up or explain your opinions like I suggested in my last post ?

Cause if your not then be carful cause it may come across that you are trolling or on a WUM fest .

It seems to me that a lot of fans don't actually know about Heysel, No one seems to mention it, Is there a reason
And no i'm not trolling, These are my opinions and this is after studying both disasters
And no i will not read your links of eyewitness accounts which would be biased and misleading.

kryogen

I have a few

Smalling should be ahead of Terry for England, or whoever else they want to make for him to play centre back

Carrick should be starting in the England midfield in the Euros

Lucas is a top midfielder

MON is not a great manager, he does more harm then good long term

Fergie lets his stubborness affect his judgement in certain matters which harms the club

Suarez has been a poor buy overall

Carroll is unfairly treated by KD

Mike Phelan is pants

Aaron Ramsey will never be great player

Messi is not the angel he is made out to be

Barcelona are one of the biggest teams of cheats in the recent history of the game, I do like Xavi, Iniesta, Villa and a couple others however

Guardiola is not a great coach, maybe if he does the job elsewhere I will change my mind but to be perfectly honest I could go manage that Barca team to trophies.

Oh another one, Barcelona games are boring in general.

Neymar will never become the next Ronaldo, he will never reach the heights people expect should I say.

Mario Gomez isnt a good footballer

Liverpool are a mid table team, big team only in name these days

Alex Mcleish is a **** manager

Roy Keane was the best midfielder in England in the last 20 years, not Scholes (he was the best English though )

Thats enough for now

Adolf Hipster

darokane wrote: »

And no i will not read your links of eyewitness accounts which would be biased and misleading.

That's a retarded point of view.

G.K.

'Carrick should be starting in the England midfield in the Euros' - I'd disagree, I don't think Carrick's strong enough under pressure to cope against European pressing. Pity, as his other qualities are excellent.

Sgt Pepper 64

Chelsea WILL beat Barca AND the winner of the other semi and LIFT THE EUROPEAN CUP!

Mr Alan

Adolf Hipster wrote: »

That's a retarded point of view.

Retard in having retarded point of view shocker.

Jesus Shaves

Adolf Hipster wrote: »

That's a retarded point of view.

That's your opinion

Leiva

Im done with this .

Have a great long weekend everyone .(even you darokane- god knows you need some happiness )

El Inho

Who in the name of jaysus thought this thread was a good idea?

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eldwaro wrote: »

Who in the name of jaysus thought this thread was a good idea?

there were no mods online today

Jesus Shaves

Mr Alan wrote: »

Retard in having retarded point of view shocker.

Did i personally insult you?

kryogen

G.K. wrote: »

'Carrick should be starting in the England midfield in the Euros' - I'd disagree, I don't think Carrick's strong enough under pressure to cope against European pressing. Pity, as his other qualities are excellent.

No necessarily a problem if it is a 3 man midfield, not a problem at all there in fact, and in all honesty, you do tend to get a bit more breathing space against most of the European nations then you would against say, a South American energiser bunny national team

kryogen

eldwaro wrote: »

Who in the name of jaysus thought this thread was a good idea?

The thread itself could have been fun and a bit of banter if people abided by the dont be a dick rule

stumpypeeps

I find Barcelona a little boring to watch.

G.K.

kryogen wrote: »

No necessarily a problem if it is a 3 man midfield, not a problem at all there in fact, and in all honesty, you do tend to get a bit more breathing space against most of the European nations then you would against say, a South American energiser bunny national team

True, but for England I'd not want a 3 man midfield. 4-2-3-1 with Rooney in the trequartista role.

kryogen

G.K. wrote: »

True, but for England I'd not want a 3 man midfield. 4-2-3-1 with Rooney in the trequartista role.

Id have Carrick as one of the 2 though

G.K.

Parker - Wilshere/Cleverly for me.

kryogen

G.K. wrote: »

Parker - Wilshere/Cleverly for me.

Wilshire wont be fit sure, and Clev has not done enough to warrant selection imo, hasnt been fit long enough to prove his credentials.

Parker I have no issue with, but would like to see Carrick alongside him.

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If Wilshire was fit Id have him myself

stumpypeeps

kryogen wrote: »

Wilshire wont be fit sure, and Clev has not done enough to warrant selection imo, hasnt been fit long enough to prove his credentials.

Parker I have no issue with, but would like to see Carrick alongside him.

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If Wilshire was fit Id have him myself

I'd just let Rooney do what he wants, playing off a striker. Parker and Gerrard will probably get the nod.