Controversial Football Opinions - Mod Note #413

Al Capwned

shamrock55 wrote: »

the only fella there worth a s**t is rooney and thats at a push valencia and young are good players nothing special carrick scholes nani evra and ferdinand are only average

Valencia is one of the best, and most effective wingers in the world.

shamrock55

alproctor wrote: »

Valencia is one of the best, and most effective wingers in the world.

is he

Al Capwned

shamrock55 wrote: »

is he

without a shadow of a doubt, yes.

Jesus Shaves

Carrick is the best defensive midfielder in the premiership

kryogen

shamrock55 wrote: »

the only fella there worth a s**t is rooney and thats at a push valencia and young are good players nothing special carrick scholes nani evra and ferdinand are only average

I see what your doing now!

They see me trollin,
They hatin!

PhlegmyMoses

shamrock55 wrote: »

is he

Who is better?

inmyday

weldoninhio wrote: »

You and GK do not know the handball rule. It says nothing about "ball to hand" or "deliberate".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_rules

I think more football fans should read these. And any player that plays football, even in a silly 5a side league with no referees (crazy not having refs) should know these, it would save the ref a lot of hassle listening to stupid arguments of people that dont know the rules.



Heres the part about handball, in law 12, under direct free kicks... Basically its the referees decision. So if you have no ref, then there is defo going to be an argument as what happened with the poster's match.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foul_(association_football)

peabutler

Kanu is the most underrated player in the History of the Premier League

G.K.

darokane wrote: »

Carrick is the best defensive midfielder in the premiership

No.

alproctor wrote: »

Valencia is one of the best, and most effective wingers in the world.

Damn right.

greendom

peabutler wrote: »

Kanu is the most underrated player in the History of the Premier League

with the biggest feet.

peabutler

greendom wrote: »

with the biggest feet.

And is at least 50 years of age

PhlegmyMoses

peabutler wrote: »

And is at least 50 years of age

They inducted him into their hall of fame on the Football Ramble Podcast this week. They said he was 28 when he moved from arsenal to WBA and only 30 when he moved to Pompey. had to check to see if this was correct as I couldn't believe it.

CSF

This really is the thread for people to spout ****e.

Jesus Shaves

G.K. wrote: »

No.

YES, If he was in the England squad they would have a great chance of winning the euros

peabutler

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

They inducted him into their hall of fame on the Football Ramble Podcast this week. They said he was 28 when he moved from arsenal to WBA and only 30 when he moved to Pompey. had to check to see if this was correct as I couldn't believe it.

Supposedly he started his career at 13 or something equally unrealistic.

G.K.

darokane wrote: »

YES, If he was in the England squad they would have a great chance of winning the euros

Really, you've utterly overrated him. He's not particularly good under intense pressure/pressing, and what will Spain, Germany, Holland, France and the other top countries do but that?

Jesus Shaves

G.K. wrote: »

Really, you've utterly overrated him. He's not particularly good under intense pressure/pressing, and what will Spain, Germany, Holland, France and the other top countries do but that?

He's better than the current England midfield.
Him and scholes in the middle would transform England into a great team

In fact the team could be based around man Utd players with Jones, Smalling, Welbeck, Rooney and Ferdinand starting too

G.K.

I'm sorry, but Parker, Cleverly, Scholes, Wilshere, Gerrard all react under pressure better than Carrick.

CSF

darokane wrote: »

G.K. wrote: »

Really, you've utterly overrated him. He's not particularly good under intense pressure/pressing, and what will Spain, Germany, Holland, France and the other top countries do but that?

He's better than the current England midfield.
Him and scholes in the middle would transform England into a great team

In fact the team could be based around man Utd players with Jones, Smalling, Welbeck, Rooney and Ferdinand starting too

Do you by any chance support Manchester United?

eugeneious

Paul Lambert deserves much more credit than Brendan Rodgers IMO.

Rodgers hasn't suddenly transformed Swansea's style of play as they were playing just as well under Martinez and even Sousa. Also Rogers didn't particularly do great at Reading, where as Lambert did a very good job with Wycombe and was doing well with Colchester.

Another point about Lambert is that he's very pragmatic in the sense that he's willing to play a different style every game where as with Rodgers he plays the same style whether it benefits the team or not and all though this may seem commendable to some, to me it just doesn't make sense, after all you're not going to find a Norwich fan complaining about the style of football as long as they stay up.

Both are good managers but for me Lambert is probably the best young British manager (maybe along with Brian McDermott) around.

Wesc.

Torres has been a good player for Chelsea of late.

Jesus Shaves

CSF wrote: »

Do you by any chance support Manchester United?

I just think an international team needs to be built around players with a championship winning mentality

G.K.

Over players superior?

CSF

darokane wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

Do you by any chance support Manchester United?

I just think an international team needs to be built around players with a championship winning mentality

You did not answer my question

latenia

Beckham was a slightly above average player whose reputation was a product of the increased media hype and commercialisation of football. In terms of 'value for money' Mick McCarthy is the best manager in England.

Mr Alan

latenia wrote: »

Beckham was a slightly above average player whose reputation was a product of the increased media hype and commercialisation of football.

I actually think the total opposite. IMO Beckham was a truly brilliant player who is UNDER-RATED because of all the other stuff.

opr

latenia wrote: »

Beckham was a slightly above average player whose reputation was a product of the increased media hype and commercialisation of football.

I am not Beckham's biggest fan in the world but slightly above average?

He is third in the Premier League's all time time assist provider records, with 152 assists in 265 appearances also scoring 62 goals over the same period.

Opr

blahfckingblah

monkey9 wrote: »

That's a stupid reason not to go to a football match and to be honest, sounds more like an excuse. I agree that the attitiude can be ridiculous, but just get yourself to a match and see how you get on!

been to them before years ago, i used to go fairly regularly kinda lost interest completely

Blatter

opr wrote: »

I am not Beckham's biggest fan in the world but slightly above average?

He is third in the Premier League's all time time assist provider records, with 152 assists in 265 appearances also scoring 62 goals over the same period.

Opr

He also came second in the World Player of the Year award in both 1999 and 2001 so his fellow professionals didn't think too lowly of him either.

flyswatter

Di Stefano is the best player of all time.

Martin Jol was very badly treated by Spurs.

The TV rights money setup in the Spanish league is distinctly unfair and should be changed.

Nalz

shamrock55 wrote: »

is he

is he not

shamrock55

darokane wrote: »

Carrick is the best defensive midfielder in the premiership

this makes me laugh:D

Jesus Wept

Zlatan is gash.

latenia

opr wrote: »

He is third in the Premier League's all time time assist provider records, with 152 assists in 265 appearances also scoring 62 goals over the same period.

Yes, but he got to take every single dead ball kick for a great team. Apart from that he didn't bring much to the team.

Fuhrer

eugeneious wrote: »

Paul Lambert deserves much more credit than Brendan Rodgers IMO.

Rodgers hasn't suddenly transformed Swansea's style of play as they were playing just as well under Martinez and even Sousa. Also Rogers didn't particularly do great at Reading, where as Lambert did a very good job with Wycombe and was doing well with Colchester.

Another point about Lambert is that he's very pragmatic in the sense that he's willing to play a different style every game where as with Rodgers he plays the same style whether it benefits the team or not and all though this may seem commendable to some, to me it just doesn't make sense, after all you're not going to find a Norwich fan complaining about the style of football as long as they stay up.

Both are good managers but for me Lambert is probably the best young British manager (maybe along with Brian McDermott) around.

Plus Rodgers inherited a decentish side and made them better were as Lambert got an awful side in complete free fall and rebuilt them, taking them from League One to the Premier League

opr

latenia wrote: »

Yes, but he got to take every single dead ball kick for a great team. Apart from that he didn't bring much to the team.

That was because he was so bloody good at them. The boy could cross a ball onto the face of a coin. That assist record is actually the highest of any player when taken on a per game basis as the two guys ahead of him played way more games.

Think about that the highest assist record of any player in the history of the premier league!! I remember seeing a stat that something like 40% of all premier league goals come from set prices. Football is about scoring goals, if all he was doing was creating goals from deadballs (which he wasn't) he would still be worth his weight in gold to any team.

Opr

parc

Tusky wrote: »

Agreed. Messi needs to sign for Newcastle before he can truly be considered the greatest of all time.

Sweet suffering jaysus. Some of the bollix that gets posted on here would have you in tears if it wasn't so hilarious.

I'm sure Messi is sitting by his pool in Castelldefels thinking...you know what, I need to go and awaken the sleeping giants that are NUFC before I can be considered truly great.

Must be mad staying at Barcelona. How does the man sleep at night?

Fowler87

parc wrote: »

I'm sure Messi is sitting by his pool in Castelldefels thinking...you know what, I need to go and awaken the sleeping giants that are NUFC before I can be considered truly great.

Must be mad staying at Barcelona. How does the man sleep at night?

Dont want to go off topic but when were Newcastle ever a giant of football If he was to 'awaken a sleeping giant' then its off to Nottm Forest, Leeds Utd, Sampdoria etc for Lionel..

G.K.

YES PLEASE

latenia

opr wrote: »

That assist record is actually the highest of any player when taken on a per game basis as the two guys ahead of him played way more games.

But what was his average on a per kick basis? I can't think of any other player who takes everything from any position in the opposition half. I remember his scoring strike rate from frees was only about the fifth best in the league-Ian Harte was top there.

parc

Morricone wrote: »

What with their whole 'mes que un club' bullshít.

:rolleyes:

I don't want to appear as if I'm crawling up Barca's ass but that's pretty ignorant tbh. The whole "more than a club" thing refers the club being a focal point for Catalan identity when the province was being oppressed by Franco

kryogen

latenia wrote: »

But what was his average on a per kick basis? I can't think of any other player who takes everything from any position in the opposition half. I remember his scoring strike rate from frees was only about the fifth best in the league-Ian Harte was top there.

So you are now actually doubting his dead ball ability? that he did not deserve to be taking the offensive free kicks?

I honestly think some people are just making up some of these opinions to be controversial rather then actually holding them as true opinions.

Richard Hillman

flyswatter wrote: »

The TV rights money setup in the Spanish league is distinctly unfair and should be changed.

Quite the opposite IMO. People around the world pay to see Madrid and Barca, not the other teams. They are the ones that morally deserve the money. It makes it difficult for sporting reasons but it can't be considered unfair.

kryogen

It is unfair though.

skippy15

Beckham was overrated, couldnt do a lot but what he done well he was one of best in world at:

Liverpool have over achieved last few years- carried by gerrard and torres.

Uniteds squad is the 3rd or 4th best in league....please retire already fergie!

Scholes is the best live player I have ever seen play in my life,

Football is going down the drain! players going to soft,over commercialised more business than sport, referee's need be fulltime, players don't care as much, fans are not what used to be- many fans never seen or even played game but still claim be experts,

Evra should take blame for his part in suarez affair

Fairplay is a distinct second to gamesmanship in professional football

kryogen

skippy15 wrote: »

Beckham was overrated, couldnt do a lot but what he done well he was one of best in world at:

Liverpool have over achieved last few years- carried by gerrard and torres.

Uniteds squad is the 3rd or 4th best in league....please retire already fergie!

Scholes is the best live player I have ever seen play in my life,

Football is going down the drain! players going to soft,over commercialised more business than sport, referee's need be fulltime, players don't care as much, fans are not what used to be- many fans never seen or even played game but still claim be experts,

Evra should take blame for his part in suarez affair

Fairplay is a distinct second to gamesmanship in professional football

Now that is quite obviously just wrong, stupid wrong in fact.

CSF

skippy15 wrote: »

Beckham was overrated, couldnt do a lot but what he done well he was one of best in world at:

Liverpool have over achieved last few years- carried by gerrard and torres.

Uniteds squad is the 3rd or 4th best in league....please retire already fergie!

Scholes is the best live player I have ever seen play in my life,

Football is going down the drain! players going to soft,over commercialised more business than sport, referee's need be fulltime, players don't care as much, fans are not what used to be- many fans never seen or even played game but still claim be experts,

Evra should take blame for his part in suarez affair

Fairplay is a distinct second to gamesmanship in professional football

This thread should really be renamed 'Stupid Opinions That I Wouldn't Otherwise Dare Declare'

Paparazzo

Scholes isn't a "bad tackler". He's simply a dirty player who goes out to foul people.

Blatter

It's true. :pac:

A lot of Scholes' 'mistimed' tackles are definitely made with the intention to rattle his opponent.

Saying that, 'dirty' is maybe a bit strong. His tackles are rarely dangerous, I don't recall him ever injuring anybody. He does just enough to let them know he's there.

kryogen

He is a bad tackler, and he does sometimes want to foul the opposing player, both are true.

He sometimes wants to set a tone by going in hard.