Controversial Football Opinions - Mod Note #413

Paully D

skippy15 wrote: »

Uniteds squad is the 3rd or 4th best in league....please retire already fergie!

Shouldn't he be praised even more then, for winning the league with only the 3rd or 4th best squad in it?

kryogen

Paully D wrote: »

Shouldn't he be praised even more then, for winning the league with only the 3rd or 4th best squad in it?

I wish people would stop cursing the team!



If we win, if we win! always if we win until its mathematically a certainty!

happyman81

Robbie Fowler was a "great" player against bad defenders in a naff league. He didn't get fat/unfit, the league just outgrew him.

kryogen

Blatter wrote: »

It's true. :pac:

A lot of Scholes' 'mistimed' tackles are definitely made with the intention to rattle his opponent.

Saying that, 'dirty' is maybe a bit strong. His tackles are rarely dangerous, I don't recall him ever injuring anybody. He does just enough to let them know he's there.

kryogen wrote: »

He is a bad tackler, and he does sometimes want to foul the opposing player, both are true.

He sometimes wants to set a tone by going in hard.

Its like........your in my head man!!

starviewadams

So the majority of these 'controversial' opinions basically boil down to ''Man Utd are crap'' ''no, Liverpool are crap'' ''Messi's crap'' ''No,Ronaldo's crap.''

Like listening to a bunch of deranged four year old's who's sole information source in their life so far has been Soccer Saturday or Sky Sports News.

klose

I think utd will have a rough few years when fergie packs it in which imo will be sooner rather then later at this point.

SeantheMan

Ronaldo and dani alves are average free kick takers at best. Only 1 in 20 or so actually reach the goal

Bodhisopha

SeantheMan wrote: »

Ronaldo and dani alves are average free kick takers at best. Only 1 in 20 or so actually reach the goal

So true. A right pair of hit and hope merchants.

Will I Amnt

So what have we all learnt from this thread?
Apparently Scholes was always a fairly average and dirty player.

Fergie is crap unless he proves himself outside England.

Guardiola is crap unless he leaves Barcelona and does something similar elsewhere.

The greatest player in the world is probably not that great,we won't know for sure until he leads a sleeping giant like Newcastle to a Champions league.

Newcastle are a sleeping giant.

The second best player in the world with a ridiculous goals to games record is not all that at all and he can't take a great freekick,even though I've seen him take one against Portsmouth and another against Apoel that defied physics and I don't know of any other player that could have executed them.

Manchester United have been pretty much shìte for the last 10 years,they obviously blagged their way to titles and finals,oh and they got loads of help from officials.

Swansea are muck and Brendan Rodgers is the devil incarnate.

Liverpool fans are his minions,they get drunk and kill people because they have no tickets.

David Moyes is crap and he gets loads of money to spend that we don't hear about.

Swansea are the only team in the EPL that can make 2 consecutive passes,everyone else just hits and runs.

Etc.Etc.Etc. ad nauseum.

What a crock of shìte of a thread.
There's nothing controversial about 90% of the opinions here,they're just plain wrong.

darced

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Will I Amnt

darced wrote: »

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Well that's supposed to go without saying in this thread but I don't think a lot of people believe the "opinions" they're posting.

PHB

Mod Note:

darokane banned.

Any mention of Hillsborough, Hesyel, or Munich or anything else even close to those events is not acceptable in this thread. Any breach of this will result in a straight one month ban and red card, absolutely no exceptions from this point. This includes responses to the previous debate. It ends from this point.

PHB

I'm filled with controversial opinions, let's run some out there:

A. I think the Champions League Knockout draws can be rigged. I don't think they always are, but I'm sure it's been done in the past couple of years a few times.

B. I think Barca are not quite as attractive as everyone makes out. PErsonally, I think they are a defensive team. Their defensive strategy is possession. I find this dull to watch. I much prefer Real Madrid's style of play, and a good version of Uniteds (although we havent had that for a while now).

C. I think that there should be a video review panel, looking for cases of definate dives. Any definate dives that occur automatically result in a 5 game ban. Any marginal dives get nothing, but a definate one, 5 game ban. I think this will fundamentally remove diving from the game.

D. I think anyone who ever shouts at the ref should get a straight red card, no questions asked.

E. I think penalties need to be re-evaluated. I think fundamentally, because they are so important, they make the game too much based on the refs. I think if we could consider some sort of direct free kick within the box, with a penalty given for a one on one only or something like that, we'd improve the game. I don't think a foul on the edge of the box running down to wing is worthly of a free goal. It doesn't make sense.

The_Kew_Tour

PHB wrote: »

D. I think anyone who ever shouts at the ref should get a straight red card, no questions asked.

I think Captains should be the only ones who should go to ref and question a decision and yes a straight red for anybody who has pop at ref.

Cant ever see it coming in though.

monkey9

happyman81 wrote: »

Robbie Fowler was a "great" player against bad defenders in a naff league. He didn't get fat/unfit, the league just outgrew him.

A couple of cruciate knee injuries did for him!

ROCKMAN

Think the bottom team should be relegated.
But the 18th and 19th teams (in the case of the premiership) should play the 2nd and 3rd placed teams from the next lower down league ,
In Winners takes all games ,
Winners stay up or get promoted,



Also Think Ronaldo's image of a dead ball specialist when he was with Utd was grossly overated yes he scored one or 2 unbelieveable freekicks at United but the amount of times he hit the wall ,ballooned over etc was unreal .

Also the idea of two refs, one in each half ...has some merit ..

Champions from lower/weaker Countries should play in a different competition a Champions League B If you like ,with the winner getting a quater final spot.

happyman81

monkey9 wrote: »

happyman81 wrote: »

Robbie Fowler was a "great" player against bad defenders in a naff league. He didn't get fat/unfit, the league just outgrew him.

A couple of cruciate knee injuries did for him!

Sure didn't Shearer have a couple of careeer ending injuries...

Al Capwned

happyman81 wrote: »

Sure didn't Shearer have a couple of careeer ending injuries...

And Keane, van Nistelrooy.....

Leiva

PHB wrote: »

I'm filled with controversial opinions, let's run some out there:

A. I think the Champions League Knockout draws can be rigged. I don't think they always are, but I'm sure it's been done in the past couple of years a few times.

B. I think Barca are not quite as attractive as everyone makes out. PErsonally, I think they are a defensive team. Their defensive strategy is possession. I find this dull to watch. I much prefer Real Madrid's style of play, and a good version of Uniteds (although we havent had that for a while now).

C. I think that there should be a video review panel, looking for cases of definate dives. Any definate dives that occur automatically result in a 5 game ban. Any marginal dives get nothing, but a definate one, 5 game ban. I think this will fundamentally remove diving from the game.

D. I think anyone who ever shouts at the ref should get a straight red card, no questions asked.

E. I think penalties need to be re-evaluated. I think fundamentally, because they are so important, they make the game too much based on the refs. I think if we could consider some sort of direct free kick within the box, with a penalty given for a one on one only or something like that, we'd improve the game. I don't think a foul on the edge of the box running down to wing is worthly of a free goal. It doesn't make sense.

1000% agree with points C + D

Point E is interesting alright but my concern would be that the Refs can't get simple penalty calls correct today ,so introducing a second less severe rule would probably spin them out all together .

eZe^

Imaginary waving of cards never has or will bother me. It's hardly like someone waving their hand in the air is going to change a referees mind. (players surrounding the ref and howling abuse is a different thing)

Also players celebrating the dismissal of an opposition player never really bothered me (Marcelo on Crouch last year).

bohsboy

The Champions League should revert back to an open draw like the old European Cup.

The present format just allows the rich clubs to get richer, creating an even bigger gulf between teams. The qualifying rounds of the Champions League are unfair on the smaller teams, making it almost impossible for them to progress.

cgpg5

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Think the bottom team should be relegated.
But the 18th and 19th teams (in the case of the premiership) should play the 2nd and 3rd placed teams from the next lower down league ,
In Winners takes all games ,
Winners stay up or get promoted,



Also Think Ronaldo's image of a dead ball specialist when he was with Utd was grossly overated yes he scored one or 2 unbelieveable freekicks at United but the amount of times he hit the wall ,ballooned over etc was unreal .

Also the idea of two refs, one in each half ...has some merit ..

Champions from lower/weaker Countries should play in a different competition a Champions League B If you like ,with the winner getting a quater final spot.

Absolutely no! This would prove disastrous. Relegation from prem/promotion from championship is already incredibly exciting imo and there is no way it should be changed.

Agree about Ronaldo though!

With regard to champs league, it should be played from Feb onwards (with qualifying rounds in Nov/Dec) and should consist of 32 teams and be a knockout competition, with each round (from last 32-semi.finals) having two home and away legs. It should also be an open draw.
The group stages are boring at best and this would lead to a far more exciting competition imo.

FA cup replays should be scrapped.

Agree that only captains should be allowed talk to ref.

Citing commissioners should be brought in to assess diving.

International friendlies should be scrapped.

There certainly is a basis for making the PL 18 teams, but won't ever happen.

Clocks should be stopped when a player goes down injured and also for subs. No subs are allowed be made in injury time.

The La Liga is not as exciting as the PL although there might be better football on show.

Celtic are a mid table championship team at best.

The Championship is technically the most exciting league to follow in Europe (obviously not standard wise, but for twists and turns)

FA cup winner should play off v 4th for final CL place (if not in top 4).

redzerdrog

If torres was still with liverpool he would still be a world class striker and liverpool would be in contention for top 4 :pac:

bobbysands81

Morricone wrote: »

While Messi probably will go down as the greatest of all time, I think he'll need to leave Barca at some stage and do something great, on a par with what Maradona did at Napoli.

Until he does that I will always have a slight doubt in the back of my mind. If he woke a sleeping giant like Newcastle, Atletico Madrid, Roma or Lazio and brought them to league and European glory he would absolutely cement his reputation as the greatest of all time, unquestionably.

He probably doesn't need to do this, its possibly selfish on behalf but nevertheless something which I would love to see occur.

I don't understand how someone can term Newcastle Unted a 'sleeping giant'.

CSF

This may be a controversial opinion but I think the rules should stay the same and people should stop trying to turn it into rugby or american football.

monkey9

There should be a third coloured card to go alongside yellow and red ones. The rules of the game have changed gradually, almost outlawing tackling altogether, yet the punishment system remains the same.

There should be more leeway in terms of keeping players on the pitch. A yellow can be given for incidents of polar opposites in term of seriousness and it leads to the unnecessary spoiling of many games!

I also don't believe you should be sent for a professional foul in the box when the other team has been awarded a penalty. The penalty should be punishment enough and if the tackle is deemed bookable, so be it.

This professional rule seems to have stemmed, and i could be wrong probably am, from the incident where Ronald Koeman pulled back David Platt when he was through on goal in a World Cup qualifier that England needed to win. Platt only got a free kick and Holland won one nil (Koeman getting the winner )

If a player is through on goal and is pulled back and all he gets is a free kick when he probably would have scored, then of course it should be a red. But if you get a penalty, then as i say, that should be punishment enough unless the tackle is bookable.

amacachi

I hate how a player who is on the verge of a yellow card for persistent fouling can make a cynical foul that would be worth a yellow card on its own and it's as if the previous fouls didn't happen. If someone is verging on a yellow and then does something the referee would give a straight yellow for then they should be verging on a red.

Paparazzo

cambo2008 wrote: »

So what have we all learnt from this thread?
Apparently Scholes was always a dirty player.



What a crock of shìte of a thread.
There's nothing controversial about 90% of the opinions here,they're just plain wrong.

I'll defend this one as it was me that posted it. You seriously think a central midfielder that has almost 500 appearences at the top level doesn't know what he's doing when he goes into one of his trademark challenges? Nothing wrong with a central midfielder doing that, but the problem I have is commentators constantly just ignoring it and making the excuse "scholey still can't tackle" when it's quite obvious what he's doing.

Will I Amnt

Paparazzo wrote: »

I'll defend this one as it was me that posted it. You seriously think a central midfielder that has almost 500 appearences at the top level doesn't know what he's doing when he goes into one of his trademark challenges? Nothing wrong with a central midfielder doing that, but the problem I have is commentators constantly just ignoring it and making the excuse "scholey still can't tackle" when it's quite obvious what he's doing.

You said dirty player.I wouldn't call him dirty but he puts himself about alright and let's players know he's there and he does foul a lot.
If that's your idea of a dirty player then fair enough.

He's not the type to go in to do someone an injury,that's my idea of a dirty player.

stovelid

bohsboy wrote: »

The Champions League should revert back to an open draw like the old European Cup.

Absolutely. Just go back to dog-eat-dog knock out format.

theoneeyedman

There is nowt wrong with rich owners pouring money into teams a la chelsea and city in recent tears. It has always been thus, from the early days when teams were paid for by mill owners in northern England tru to the 50s and 60 s with big European firms like fiat, Phillips, bayer etc bankrolling teams. Like it or not these foreign billionaire owners are just an extension of this

GiftofGab

- Play should not be stopped if a player goes down injuried.

-Only captains should be able to talk to the ref

-Citing commissioners should be in place for diving

Oranage2

- I dont blame players moving to the likes of City and Chelsea just for the money, nobody would seriously turn down more money.

Optimalprimerib

Either they bring in a video referee, or remove the rights for broadcasters to show replays of fouls or refereeing decisions, because as it stands, referees are getting no protection from making 50/50 decisions and should have the same access as their critics.

Suarez was treated extremely unfair by the fa this year. 8 games was a joke of a decision considering a leg breaking challenge only gets 4. As well as that an English player gets off scot free for being caught on camera with a racist comment. That in itself is racism by the fa.

Europa league winners should get a CL berth.

Player contracts should not be broken. It should not be possible for another team to snatch a player in the middle of a contract. It may lead to shorter term contracts but at the moment it is hampering the development of the lower teams.

doc_17

I have to agree that Scholes is a dirty player. It's not that he couldn't tackle....he just preferred to foul!

Wish he was playing for my team though!

Richard Hillman

All fouls should be yellow cards. It will reduce refs blowing up for somebody looking at them the wrong way, reduce fouls, make the game safer, benefit attacking players and increase game time.

razorblunt

Probably not very controversial but blood substitutes should be allowed. It's a bit of a joke that a team goes down to ten men when one of their players gets a whack on the noggin requiring stitches, they should be allowed to send on a replacement until he's patched up.

Sky Sports add nothing of note to analysis when they zoom in and highlight the slightest flick of the ball from an angle provided by a camera behind the goal. The refs/linesmen(woman) don't have this luxury and should not be vilified for getting a 50/50 decision wrong.

Helix

ben arfa's goal today wasn't that good

he ran 50 yards in a straight line, one defender dived in when he was left behind, another half went to dive in and pulled out like a girl, and then he tapped it past the keeper

joke shop defending, not a genuine world class goal

happyman81

Helix wrote: »

ben arfa's goal today wasn't that good

he ran 50 yards in a straight line, one defender dived in when he was left behind, another half went to dive in and pulled out like a girl, and then he tapped it past the keeper

joke shop defending, not a genuine world class goal

Easy. Should I join the Sunderland fan in thanking your post?

greendom

Helix wrote: »

ben arfa's goal today wasn't that good

he ran 50 yards in a straight line, one defender dived in when he was left behind, another half went to dive in and pulled out like a girl, and then he tapped it past the keeper

joke shop defending, not a genuine world class goal

Great turn to begin with but it was like the parting of the Red Sea after that. His goal against Blackburn was much much better.

Helix

greendom wrote: »

Great turn to begin with but it was like the parting of the Red Sea after that. His goal against Blackburn was much much better.

aye, THAT was a genuinely top class goal

today's one was a masterclass in some of the worst top flight defending you'll ever see anywhere

1mcampo1

GiftofGab wrote: »

- Play should not be stopped if a player goes down injuried.

-Only captains should be able to talk to the ref

-Citing commissioners should be in place for diving

Agree with the last two but the first one

Muamba is all that has to be said really. If play didn't stop, he'd be dead. Alright, 90% of the times the player either eventually gets up or gets taken to the sideline just to come back on, but for that 10%...

happyman81

Helix wrote: »

ben arfa's goal today wasn't that good

he ran 50 yards in a straight line, one defender dived in when he was left behind, another half went to dive in and pulled out like a girl, and then he tapped it past the keeper

joke shop defending, not a genuine world class goal

Will I Amnt

I hadn't seen it until now and I agree it's nothing special at all.
He outran a few players more than beat them.Impressive pace all the same and a nice turn at the start.

eZe^

It's bull**** to say that goal is just him running in a straight line, he outpaces the opposition with the ball at his feet, and his touches are perfectly executed to get away from defenders. The defending wasn't amazing, but that goal is really really impressive...

happyman81

eZe^ wrote: »

It's bull**** to say that goal is just him running in a straight line, he outpaces the opposition with the ball at his feet, and his touches are perfectly executed to get away from defenders. The defending wasn't amazing, but that goal is really really impressive...

I know. Looking at the second tackle, that guy is simply trying to take him out, a cynical challenge, and he skips right over it. Great goal.

Hatas.

Gonna.

Hate.

Helix

happyman81 wrote: »

Hatas.

Gonna.

Hate.

are you 12?

Will I Amnt

Yea,the least you could have said was "Hatem's gonna hate" :cool:

Paully D

happyman81 wrote: »

I know. Looking at the second tackle, that guy is simply trying to take him out, a cynical challenge, and he skips right over it. Great goal.

Hatas.

Gonna.

Hate.

Have you ever seen a girl naked?

happyman81

Paully D wrote: »

Have you ever seen a girl naked?

Is this where I say 'yer mam'?