How Bored of the Titanic Are You?

DEFTLEFTHAND

looksee wrote: »

Yes, that's what they were saying on a BBC2 programme yesterday evening.

Yes that's the accepted opinion and any ships officer worth his salt would know to follow that procedure whilst steaming through an ice field. Titanic's officers fcuked up and they had no margin for error with the shoddy workmanship in Belfast.

44leto

44leto wrote: »

The Lusitania was probably a more interesting and dramatic story, 1200 people died, it was much more luxurious ship and it brought America into the war.

My great great great (have no idea how many greats) grandmother went to America when she was just a child, around the early 1900s and she kept a diary of her time over there. It makes for a fascinating read; a girl from rural Ireland back then experiencing what New York was like. She talked about seeing a motorcar for the first time and going to a picture show. But anyway, on the return trip she was commenting on the boat she was on - it was the Lusitania.

Always thought it was kinda cool.

holystungun9

Pretty bored, my mood just sinks...........


Taxi !!!

whiskeyman

mike65 wrote: »

right now on RTE radio they are discussing the posh 8 course meals eaten on board which is going to be recreated at Kingstown Harbour Yacht Club‎! (yes seriously)

I can see it now...

Sept 11, 2101 - come join us in recreating the last moments of the flights of 9/11.
Dine on the exact same in-flight meals that were awaiting the passengers while we play the same in flight entertainment on your very own headphone set.
Award winning period actors will play the part of the hijackers for that ultimate experience.

sheesh

I'm probably more bored with it than most. I just took part in Titanic: the musical

Feeona

They were talking about the harbour in Cobh on the radio yesterday. Apparently, any ships sailing into the harbour had to pass an un-inspiring grey wall as they docked. As part of the Dirty Old Town initiative, the wall has been decorated with a Titanic mural. Just what you want to see when you're sailing-a dedication to an ostentatious ship which sank killing two thirds of its passengers.

Very bizarre, and the tourism surrounding Titanic in general is very unsettling.

Cookie_Monster

who the fug wrote: »

Bad Cookie.

ah, come now. It is one of the better conspiracies...

mike65 wrote: »

On the 12th a boat containing relatives of those on board are sailing to the exact spot where the Titanic went down, you'd think they'd have learnt something from what happened and why.

I'm sure they have learned and they don't have an idiot captain who'll sail full steam into iceberg laden waters without heed to anything else just to save a few hours...

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

"This is the ship that God Himself could not sink!"

and he didn't, an iceberg did...

JohnMarston

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I'm sure they have learned and they don't have an idiot captain who'll sail full steam into iceberg laden waters without heed to anything else just to save a few hours...

To his credit he did do the honourable thing and go down with the ship. Unlike the coward of the Costa Concordia

psychward

JohnMarston wrote: »

To his credit he did do the honourable thing and go down with the ship. Unlike the coward of the Costa Concordia

Why are ship Captains expected to go down with their ship when you have failed and corrupt politicians walking away with huge pensions , corrupt hypocritical media arrogance spreading stereotypes when it suits them , people on all levels of society being corrupt and following the philosophy of looking after number 1, doctors only treating patients when they are vastly overpaid to do it etc ?
I just wonder why are ship Captains expected to be any better than the rest of society ?

RiseToTheTop

why was the Titanic picked out specially though? Remember the cruise that crashes off the coast of Italy earlier this year, I doubt there'd be moved of that in 100 years time.

Cookie_Monster

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

why was the Titanic picked out specially though?

first voyage
biggest ship ever at the time
most luxurious of her day
going for the blue ribband (atlantic speed record)
big disaster, totally inadequate safety equipment
found recently enough by reasonably new deep sea tech(at the time, 85), after several failed attempts, to great hype and pomp

iguana

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

why was the Titanic picked out specially though? Remember the cruise that crashes off the coast of Italy earlier this year, I doubt there'd be moved of that in 100 years time.

The main reason that the Titanic disaster has such a high place in history is because, with hindsight, it has become a metaphor for the end of the society that had existed for hundreds of years and the coming of the modern age. And in fact it's only with that hindsight that Titanic became quite so popular. At the time it was certainly a major disaster and it captured people's imaginations, a film Saved From Titanic, starring and part written by survivor Dorothy Gibson, was made immediately afterwards and was a huge hit. But within two years few who hadn't been directly effected by it gave it much thought.

In 1912 the majority of the world belonged to a small number of empires, British, Russian, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, French and the German 'newcomers.' America was certainly a growing economic force but it didn't have a lot of cache or influence over society and culture other than inspiring the poor to want to go there. Everyday society was massively stratified the poor struggled and starved unless they were lucky enough to be taken into service where they worked like slaves for a dry bed, 3 meals and pocket money, the middle classes were figures for ridicule with little influence compared to the contribution they made to society and the rich lived decadent lives where the only work that wasn't looked down upon was politics and military and manners and appearance were all important. Few people could even imagine that it wouldn't always be this way, yet by 1914 the world was at war and everything changed.

By 1918 4 of those empires were gone. 2 due to people's revolutions, the Russian replaced by socialism (of a sort) and the German by the Weimar Republic. Even the victors were losing their grips on their colonies and American influence grew. And at home soldiers who had fought beside the aristocracy and women who had done the jobs of men no longer wanted things to go back to how they were. The 1920's happened heralding huge social change, not just the flappers and cabarets but the huge amount of strikes and increased power of Labour politicians, leading to more protection for the working poor and more power for ordinary people as universal suffrage became a reality. The great depression and the second world war and it's aftermath accelerated and cemented this change.

From the 50's onward interest in the Titanic increased. In large part because it was like this last gasp of the old world. The class system is apparent in the treatment and survival rates of first, second and third class passengers. The arrogance of the era in the decadence of the ship and how it was heralded as unsinkable. And the end of the era is there in how despite the arrogance, and in fact because of it, the ship sank.

RiseToTheTop

Great post.

TeddyTedson

mike65 wrote: »

Seriously just go and ****ing sink will ya! (whadyoumeanitsank?) Everywhere I look, listen and read its the ****ing Titanic, while I applaud the Nordies for their genius for turning a world famous disaster that killed 1500 people into a money spinner I have just about had it up to the top of my bulkhead with all the BS about this boat, right now on RTE radio they are discussing the posh 8 course meals eaten on board which is going to be recreated at Kingstown Harbour Yacht Club‎! (yes seriously)

Well said Mike and I agree 110%. As far as I'm concerned that bloody river boat can just go **** itself.

superstoner90

The titanic is in 3D, I wonder how will that go down?

JohnMarston

psychward wrote: »

Why are ship Captains expected to go down with their ship when you have failed and corrupt politicians walking away with huge pensions , corrupt hypocritical media arrogance spreading stereotypes when it suits them , people on all levels of society being corrupt and following the philosophy of looking after number 1, doctors only treating patients when they are vastly overpaid to do it etc ?
I just wonder why are ship Captains expected to be any better than the rest of society ?

I revise. Captains should be the last person off the ship. If everyone gets off then they can leave. Just because others are corrupt or selfish does not mean you should follow suit.

Run_to_da_hills

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

why was the Titanic picked out specially though? Remember the cruise that crashes off the coast of Italy earlier this year, I doubt there'd be moved of that in 100 years time.

Belfast did give that a mention.

http://i42.tinypic.com/4j8i39.jpg

don ramo

im from cobh, so im pretty ****ing sick of it :mad::mad::mad:

but the girls are happy cause apparently goerge clooney is wondering around the place, wonder if i tried to kill him would people forget about all the titantic stuff LOL

The Uninvited Guest

She's made of iron, sir! I assure you, she can... and she will. It is a mathematical certainty

MadYaker

Seems like a good place to put this.

psychward

JohnMarston wrote: »

I revise. Captains should be the last person off the ship. If everyone gets off then they can leave. Just because others are corrupt or selfish does not mean you should follow suit.

When terrorists strike etc , the first thing they do is have the secret service cover the President and whisk him away to a secret bunker. Those in charge anywhere don't give a fupp about their responsibilities and look after number 1. Why pick on captains ? lol. If you know someone is alive but too trapped to save no matter what measures you take because for example you dont have an underwater welder etc then what do you do as a human being ? Die in solidarity ? Even disregarding this why single out captains when nobody else accepts responsibility to such an extent as to sacrificing their lives ?

jumpguy

psychward wrote: »

When terrorists strike etc , the first thing they do is have the secret service cover the President and whisk him away to a secret bunker. Those in charge anywhere don't give a fupp about their responsibilities and look after number 1. Why pick on captains ? lol. If you know someone is alive but too trapped to save no matter what measures you take because for example you dont have an underwater welder etc then what do you do as a human being ? Die in solidarity ? Even disregarding this why single out captains when nobody else accepts responsibility to such an extent as to sacrificing their lives ?

You can't really compare it to a terrorist strike on the US President. The president would need to be kept alive to approve of and devise whatever response to the attack is needed (he is commander in chief of the army too). Wherever he is whisked to, he can still serve his role.

The captain of a ship, however, is needed on the ship to coordinate and control the evacuation, and, if possible, to buy as much time as possible before the ship sinks. If the captain leaves the ship prior to everybody being evacuated, then the chain of command breaks down and chaos ensues.

forfuxsake

Say it slowly and in the voice of Haley Joel Osment from Sixth Sense:

'I-c-e-y dead people'

starlit

I am a fan of the Titanic but I get sick of the whole hype of it on tv and cinema at the moment. I am liking the new series on TV3 though. I get bored of it pretty fast though.

psychward

jumpguy wrote: »

The president would need to be kept alive to approve of and devise whatever response to the attack is needed (he is commander in chief of the army too). Wherever he is whisked to, he can still serve his role.

Why don't they just whisk away the Teleprompter instead

stoneill

I'm not.

Paulie Gualtieri

got dragged to see it yesterday , thought the 3D might have helped it a bit but no , the 3d was absolute rubbish , couple of fish in the first 20 mins or so were good , but that was about it , arse numbingly boring , also could that bitch not have said ok jack we'll take turns lying on the wardrobe or whatever it was , but no , the selfish bitch realizes he's dead , says something like "ill never let you go" then prys his cold dead hands off her raft and lets him sink, what a b1tch :rolleyes:

Sykk

mike65 wrote: »

Seriously just go and ****ing sink will ya! (whadyoumeanitsank?) Everywhere I look, listen and read its the ****ing Titanic, while I applaud the Nordies for their genius for turning a world famous disaster that killed 1500 people into a money spinner I have just about had it up to the top of my bulkhead with all the BS about this boat, right now on RTE radio they are discussing the posh 8 course meals eaten on board which is going to be recreated at Kingstown Harbour Yacht Club‎! (yes seriously)

Tourist attraction was built by a company in the Republic, based from Harcourt street...

dfx-

I think people need to separate that fecking awful film in 1997 from the Titanic disaster. The film is not really about the boat, but the story of the people on board.

The 1958 film is far superior, informed by survivors who were still alive, including the most senior officer to survive, Lightoller. It focused much more on the disaster, officers, staff etc. and how they reacted than Kate Winslet's breasts and filling in story gaps like the supposed suicide of Officer Murdoch and the reason why..it might've been Wilde..or no-one.

phasers

From a historical perspective I love it, it's really interesting and I've seen a couple of great documentaries in the past couple of weeks.

James Cameron and the city of Belfast however are all disgusting, exploiting such a huge tragedy for financial gain is beyond crass.

Brendan97

What i cant get over is that N.Ireland want to celebrate their greatest failure

phasers

Brendan97 wrote: »

What i cant get over is that N.Ireland want to celebrate their greatest failure

In fairness the boat didn't fall apart, it was at least partially the Iceberg's fault. The White Star Line were responsible for the lack of lifeboats.

Run_to_da_hills

phasers wrote: »

In fairness the boat didn't fall apart, it was at least partially the Iceberg's fault. The White Star Line were responsible for the lack of lifeboats.

They were well within maritime law at that time concerning the number of lifeboats on board as at that time it was based on the gross tonnage of a ship rather than the number of people on board.

There was numerous other factors, pride by the ships owners probably being the largest contributes to the disaster.

AudreyHepburn

TBH I'm finding all the hype exciting and interesting. I'm a history lover anyway so things like this are right up my street.

Plus anything that brings more money into the economy can only be good thing imo.

I think some posters need to lighten up a little and try to enjoy the hype.

Run_to_da_hills

Macabre Titanic copycat ship sets sail today.

I hope it has enough lifeboats.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126886/Titanic-Memorial-Cruise-100th-anniversary-Victims-relatives-set-sail-retrace-journey.html

who the fug

Brendan97 wrote: »

What i cant get over is that N.Ireland want to celebrate their greatest failure

How is it a failure, built a ship and two sisters, got paid.

As Arthur would say

Nice little earner

ProudDUB

Yes, am heartily sick of it, and this is coming from someone who actually has a personal connection to it.

Although fair play to the folks in Belfast for milking it for all it is worth, especially as it was "only" built there. It was not a point of embarkation for the journey, and most of the passengers and crew would not have come from there. They certainly are showing the Cobh and Southhamton (or is it Liverpool, I forget) people how to do it. Good luck to them. After all that city has endured over the years, I don't begrudge them anything that will bring in a few bob.

skyflyer

MadYaker wrote: »

Seems like a good place to put this.

Brilliant!

On a side note, I thought Titanic 3D was very good...

mikemac1

Not bored

Maybe a bit jealous the nordies are going to make a fortune from tourism

But well done to them, they took a risk and invested a lot of money in that part of the city.
An investment paid off

I believe there was a Titanic themed pub in Cobh, some lotto winner put his winnings into it and it failed.
Ah well, investments are always a risk

psychward

I thought I couldn't get any more sick of the Titanic and it appears I was wrong. Theres some reenactment of the voyage going on now ? Shame if the bores hit an iceberg .... would be a real damn shame :rolleyes:

paddy147

mikemac1 wrote: »

Not bored

I believe there was a Titanic themed pub in Cobh, some lotto winner put his winnings into it and it failed.
Ah well, investments are always a risk

So he "sunk" his winnings into a Titanic themed pub?

Ah well you cant blame him really,being from Cork and all that...:D

Plazaman

Everyone knows here was no such thing as Titanic. It's an anagram of Clit Hunter.

Jen Pigs Fly

Oh.My.God

When will it end!

never liked it the first time it came out! Don't like it now.

mikemac1

Fadó fadó when Titanic was released it was so popular the local cinema jacked up the price to four punts

It had never been that expensive before.
Attending Titanic was the most expensive trip to the cinema ever

Nowadays, you'd easily spend over ten euro on a ticket

K-9

My "she's on been everything but the Titanic" joke might get more popular.

fryup

Brendan97 wrote: »

What i cant get over is that N.Ireland want to celebrate their greatest failure

it wasn't they're fault it sank

blame the iceberg

Cookie_Monster

fryup wrote: »

blame the iceberg

how can you blame the iceberg?:rolleyes:
All the blame lies with the crew and the White Star Line itself for putting so much pressure on the voyage and cutting corners.

fryup

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

how can you blame the iceberg?:rolleyes:

well it was in the way wasn't it, sneaking up on them like that in the middle of the night just not on

Run_to_da_hills

Irish Times quote. "The Titanic was built to make money; one hundred years later, it's still doing that".

BionicRasher

ProudDUB wrote: »

Although fair play to the folks in Belfast for milking it for all it is worth, especially as it was "only" built there. It was not a point of embarkation for the journey, and most of the passengers and crew would not have come from there. They certainly are showing the Cobh and Southhamton (or is it Liverpool, I forget) people how to do it. Good luck to them. After all that city has endured over the years, I don't begrudge them anything that will bring in a few bob.

mikemac1 wrote: »

I believe there was a Titanic themed pub in Cobh, some lotto winner put his winnings into it and it failed.
Ah well, investments are always a risk

This building (formally the White Star Line main office) now houses a pretty good exhibition centre called 'Titanic Experience' (http://www.titanicexperiencecobh.ie/). There is also a huge effort going on in Cobh to commemorate the Titanic not celebrate the 100th anniversary. Its where the last 123 passengers embarked for the voyage. There are millions of people interested in the disaster so let them feed their passion is what I say - same as groups going to see war memorials or other disaster sites its pure curiosity and a longing to see 'where it happened' that I think interests people.
If its a money spinner then why complain? Belfast exhibition looks amazing and is great news for the area.
Southampton is in on the act too - http://www.seacitymuseum.co.uk/?page_id=229
As is Cherbourg - http://cherbourg-titanic.com/