Our Social Welfare system

Freddie59

Do we have any posters who work in Social Welfare. Listed below are what, allegedly, SW provides payments for. Many of these are dismissed as urban myths. It would be nice to find out which are - and which aren't. The communion "payment" highlighted only one aspect of this last year.

* Cars
* Household appliances
* Broadband/TV payments
* Holidays
* and more

Over to you.

Agricola

I heard they pay for boob jobs.

Jesus Shaves

Freddie59 wrote: »

Do we have any posters who work in Social Welfare. Listed below are what, allegedly, SW provides payments for. Many of these are dismissed as urban myths. It would be nice to find out which are - and which aren't. The communion "payment" highlighted only one aspect of this last year.

* Cars
* Household appliances
* Broadband/TV payments
* Holidays
* and more

Over to you.

Of course they pay for broadband and tv, broadband and tv are basics nowadays, if a household appliance needs replacing obviously you would have to use your social welfare payment to buy a new one
Stupid Thread:rolleyes:

FloatingVoter

Of course, on my €190 pw I maintain..

a Rolls Royce, and a Porsche for the OH.
a 6ft wide plasma TV, had to build a new extension for that
I have 1 Gbs broadband (I sometimes play the markets when the racing isn't on).
I take 5 holidays a year (those frequent flier miles rack up quick).

The moon is also made of blue cheese.

Logical Fallacy

Freddie59 wrote: »

Do we have any posters who work in Social Welfare. Listed below are what, allegedly, SW provides payments for. Many of these are dismissed as urban myths. It would be nice to find out which are - and which aren't. The communion "payment" highlighted only one aspect of this last year.

* Cars
* Household appliances
* Broadband/TV payments
* Holidays
* and more

Over to you.

They have a website.

RobbieTheRobber

Do we need two threads for your personal rants today?

If you so hate everything about this country you really should just pack up and leave, there really is no point staying here if it is causing you this much anguish.

RATM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Of course, on my €190 pw I maintain..

a Rolls Royce, and a Porsche for the OH.
a 6ft wide plasma TV, had to build a new extension for that
I have 1 Gbs broadband (I sometimes play the markets when the racing isn't on).
I take 5 holidays a year (those frequent flier miles rack up quick).

The moon is also made of blue cheese.

Don't bullsh1t, the moon isn't made of blue cheese.

Zebra3

Payments for kids going up as you have more?

Seriously, wtf????

No wonder so many mongs voted for Bertie and the rest of the crooks. :mad:

Bannasidhe

RATM wrote: »

Don't bullsh1t, the moon isn't made of blue cheese.

This is true. It is made of Camembert but the Yanks hushed it up in case the French claimed the moon was theirs.

Cool Mo D

Freddie59 wrote: »

Do we have any posters who work in Social Welfare. Listed below are what, allegedly, SW provides payments for. Many of these are dismissed as urban myths. It would be nice to find out which are - and which aren't. The communion "payment" highlighted only one aspect of this last year.

* Cars
* Household appliances
* Broadband/TV payments
* Holidays
* and more

Over to you.

Why don't you just look it up yourself? All the payments are here:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/

howsyourtusk

Tis the dole cheats who ruined this country and until we slash the basic living standards of normal folk we'll never achieve smug self satisfaction. THE END.

gurramok

Cool Mo D wrote: »

Why don't you just look it up yourself? All the payments are here:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/

It does not state what the 'once-off or exceptional needs' are, they are at the discretion of the CWO.(like the Communion grant) Hence it could be anything.

RobbieTheRobber

howsyourtusk wrote: »

Tis the dole cheats who ruined this country and until we slash the basic living standards of normal folk we'll never achieve smug self satisfaction. THE END.

I thought single mothers have been the ruination of this country.

We should introduce forced abortions and steralisations for some dancing at the crossroads for others!

ejmaztec

The SW don't buy cars.




The HSE does.

howsyourtusk

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I thought single mothers have been the ruination of this country.

We should introduce forced abortions and steralisations for some dancing at the crossroads for others!

Yes, their lack of morality forced the FFers into the bank guarantee. I read it in Alive, the catholic newspaper. Great read.

dxhound2005

Freddie59 wrote: »

Do we have any posters who work in Social Welfare. Listed below are what, allegedly, SW provides payments for. Many of these are dismissed as urban myths. It would be nice to find out which are - and which aren't. The communion "payment" highlighted only one aspect of this last year.

* Cars
* Household appliances
* Broadband/TV payments
* Holidays
* and more

Over to you.

You said urban myths.

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/immigrants.asp

micropig

They'll buy you a pram and then give you a new one every time you leave it at the bus stop:D

Capt'n Midnight

RATM wrote: »

Don't bullsh1t, the moon isn't made of blue cheese.

It's wensleydale.

ejmaztec

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You said urban myths.

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/immigrants.asp

But that's the US, in Ireland all bets are off.

ilovelamp2000

ejmaztec wrote: »

The SW don't buy cars.




The HSE does.

I've seen the HSE pay for private healthcare for someone because their social worker wasn't happy with the waiting list in the public hospital.

dxhound2005

ejmaztec wrote: »

But that's the US, in Ireland all bets are off.

Only on Good Friday.

Logical Fallacy

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

I've seen the HSE pay for private healthcare for someone because their social worker wasn't happy with the waiting list in the public hospital.

What medical condition were they treated for?

ilovelamp2000

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

What medical condition were they treated for?

A fake one actually.

It was for nerve conduction studies on a hand.

dxhound2005

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

A fake one actually.

It was for nerve conduction studies on a hand.

Suddenly I'm an expert on nerve conduction studies. It appears to be real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_conduction_study

Logical Fallacy

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

A fake one actually.

It was for nerve conduction studies on a hand.

So they were referred to a study?

Freddie59

ejmaztec wrote: »

The SW don't buy cars.




The HSE does.

Interesting.

shopaholic01

howsyourtusk wrote: »

Yes, their lack of morality forced the FFers into the bank guarantee. I read it in Alive, the catholic newspaper. Great read.

:eek::eek::eek:OMG, you closed your account:(:(:(

mikemac1

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

I've seen the HSE pay for private healthcare for someone because their social worker wasn't happy with the waiting list in the public hospital.

Yes, if you're waiting twelve months or so they have a fund set aside to purchase private treatment for you

That's been around for years, hardly a secret

National Treatment Purchase fund is the obvious and boring name afaik

Ellis Dee

As someone who lived in the Nordic countries for decades - and is in the fortunate position of having a choice between Tullamore Hospital and the Helsinki University Central Hospital for serious surgery (guess which one I chose) - it seems to me posters here think being on welfare in Ireland is some kind of nirvana. For most people it's no pic nic, and especially since there are plenty around who begrude them every bite of food they take. In a prosperous, fairly developed country, the whole idea of a social welfare system is to enable people who, for one reason or another, are unable to provide for themselves to lead a life of human dignity. Naturally, the system should be as efficient as possible to avoid abuse and imaginative, well-resourced programmes to get as many as possible back into the workforce and the tax net need to be put in place..:)

It is not for nothing that people are often called "human resources.:cool:

They are worth protecting and developing.

Cheating and willingness to share society's resources must be treated as separate matters.

If we did as some propose and slash the Irish welfare state down to the level of that in some of the poorer EU members, then undoubtedly some non-nationals will return to their countries of origin. But how many Irish will leave as well?:D:D

Dudess

Re holidays and cars: does the Department of Social Welfare book holidays with Budget Travel/set up a payment plan with Windsor Motors, or how does it work?

Freddie59

Ellis Dee wrote: »

As someone who lived in the Nordic countries for decades - and is in the fortunate position of having a choice between Tullamore Hospital and the Helsinki University Central Hospital for serious surgery (guess which one I chose) - it seems to me posters here think being on welfare in Ireland is some kind of nirvana. For most people it's no pic nic, and especially since there are plenty around who begrude them every bite of food they take. In a prosperous, fairly developed country, the whole idea of a social welfare system is to enable people who, for one reason or another, are unable to provide for themselves to lead a life of human dignity. Naturally, the system should be as efficient as possible to avoid abuse and imaginative, well-resourced programmes to get as many as possible back into the workforce and the tax net need to be put in place..:)

It is not for nothing that people are often called "human resources.:cool:

They are worth protecting and developing.

Cheating and willingness to share society's resources must be treated as separate matters.

If we did as some propose and slash the Irish welfare state down to the level of that in some of the poorer EU members, then undoubtedly some non-nationals will return to their countries of origin. But how many Irish will leave as well?:D:D

You might have escaped the fact that they are leaving anyway.

Freddie59

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You said urban myths.

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/immigrants.asp

USA? Not Ireland. What's your point?

Toby Take a Bow

Cool Mo D wrote: »

Why don't you just look it up yourself? All the payments are here:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/

What would Freddie post about if he checked the things himself?

Ellis Dee wrote: »

If we did as some propose and slash the Irish welfare state down to the level of that in some of the poorer EU members, then undoubtedly some non-nationals will return to their countries of origin. But how many Irish will leave as well?:D:D

We'd also have to deal with less money being spent in the economy. People on social welfare (despite what is usually offered up in AH as 'fact') tend to spend all their money, as they can't save anything on 188 euro a week.

Sunnyisland

Dudess wrote: »

Re holidays and cars: does the Department of Social Welfare book holidays with Budget Travel/set up a payment plan with Windsor Motors, or how does it work?

Right, first you get laid of or better still never have a job in the first place,then go up to your local social welfare office and explain in your most saddest way that you just need a car and a holiday as everyone else seems to have them,promise that you will look for a job and pay back the money when you get one,After leaving social office person crying with emotion and guarantees to help you, you skip of back to the local pub while you await for the next horse race to begin. Happy days & simples

Delancey

Never fails to amaze me the response these bullsh1t threads get.

These seems to be a segment of the population that blame those in receipt of Social Welfare as the root cause of this country's ills and conveniently forget the damage caused by the developers and bankers backed up by their mates in Fianna Fail.
Pretty cowardly to attack a fairly weak group if you ask me.....

A lot of crap is spouted about benefits available , an example is the rumour that Social Welfare pay a ' Pet Allowance ' to help pay for pet food and vet bills. Total bollox of course - there is a benefit payable to the owners of Guide Dogs only but sure why let the real facts get in the way of a good story that allows the stirring up of hatred against what is overall a pretty vulnerable section of society.

Like I said , easy to be a coward.

Mr.Biscuits

If they cut Welfare in the next budget I may strongly have to think about cutting down on the maid's hours.

Temptamperu

Freddie59 wrote: »

Do we have any posters who work in Social Welfare. Listed below are what, allegedly, SW provides payments for. Many of these are dismissed as urban myths. It would be nice to find out which are - and which aren't. The communion "payment" highlighted only one aspect of this last year.

* Cars
* Household appliances
* Broadband/TV payments
* Holidays
* and more

Over to you.

there you go.

Pandora2

Littlehorny

Agricola wrote: »

I heard they pay for boob jobs.

Know someone who got this done, not sure if social welfare paid for it or HSE but this girl i know got the op done.

Chuck Stone

Littlehorny wrote: »

Know someone who got this done, not sure if social welfare paid for it or HSE but this girl i know got the op done.

I'd imagine there is extremely rigorous criteria, like being completely flat chested, for having a boob job done through the public health system (if it happens at all).

Nodin

Freddie59 wrote: »

USA? Not Ireland. What's your point?

That what you listed in the OP has little or no basis in fact. There are "emergency payments" that can be used for items like washing machines and the like, afaik. They will not pay for your the internet, satellite TV etc. There's no such thing as free cars or holidays. Or mobile phones. The last three I've only heard mentioned in relation to Asylum seekers, I might add, so I'd suggest you may have heard a story in mutation there.

It really was the Governments failure to combat these stories when they started in the late 90's that's led to them being so ingrained now.

Freddie59

Delancey wrote: »

Never fails to amaze me the response these bullsh1t threads get.

These seems to be a segment of the population that blame those in receipt of Social Welfare as the root cause of this country's ills and conveniently forget the damage caused by the developers and bankers backed up by their mates in Fianna Fail.
Pretty cowardly to attack a fairly weak group if you ask me.....

A lot of crap is spouted about benefits available , an example is the rumour that Social Welfare pay a ' Pet Allowance ' to help pay for pet food and vet bills. Total bollox of course - there is a benefit payable to the owners of Guide Dogs only but sure why let the real facts get in the way of a good story that allows the stirring up of hatred against what is overall a pretty vulnerable section of society.

Like I said , easy to be a coward.

So asking out the waste of public money is to 'be a coward'?:rolleyes: we have a population of 4.5m - yet there are some SEVEN MILLION PPS numbers circulating. And as for a fairly weak group, that certainly is not case case with a sizable amount. There are many working people who are in a way weaker position, and get none of the benefits that the unemployed are entitled to.

Freddie59

Nodin wrote: »

That what you listed in the OP has little or no basis in fact. There are "emergency payments" that can be used for items like washing machines and the like, afaik. They will not pay for your the internet, satellite TV etc. There's no such thing as free cars or holidays. Or mobile phones. The last three I've only heard mentioned in relation to Asylum seekers, I might add, so I'd suggest you may have heard a story in mutation there.

It really was the Governments failure to combat these stories when they started in the late 90's that's led to them being so ingrained now.

'As far as you know' as you put it. So that's definitive then? because you know it? Have you ever spoken to someone who works in a SW office Nod?

Freddie59

Temptamperu wrote: »

there you go.

And your evidence of this is?

dr.bollocko

Freddie59 wrote: »

So asking out the waste of public money is to 'be a coward'?:rolleyes: we have a population of 4.5m - yet there are some SEVEN MILLION PPS numbers circulating. And as for a fairly weak group, that certainly is not case case with a sizable amount. There are many working people who are in a way weaker position, and get none of the benefits that the unemployed are entitled to.

You say you're asking for answers but I have yet to see any evidence that you have ever listened to any of the answers you get.

Freddie59

dr.bollocko wrote: »

You say you're asking for answers but I have yet to see any evidence that you have ever listened to any of the answers you get.

The answers consist of people offering their opinion, not fact. "As far as they know" blah, blah, etc. These are not answers. They are legitimate question, whether or not some take offence.

Feeona

Mr.Biscuits wrote: »

If they cut Welfare in the next budget I may strongly have to think about cutting down on the maid's hours.

boo hoo for you :mad:, think of the poor people who'll have to use briquettes to light the fire instead of wads of cash

Blazer

Ellis Dee wrote: »

If we did as some propose and slash the Irish welfare state down to the level of that in some of the poorer EU members, then undoubtedly some non-nationals will return to their countries of origin. But how many Irish will leave as well?:D:D

Hopefully the 200,000 who were too lazy to get a job during boom years.
Those who were genuinely too sick to work though are excused but I've know several people who apparently were too sick to work yet was in the local pub and bookies every night.:mad:

Crann na Beatha

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kowloon

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'd imagine there is extremely rigorous criteria, like being completely flat chested, for having a boob job done through the public health system (if it happens at all).

I'd say if it's done it has more to do with breast cancer.

Nodin

Freddie59 wrote: »

'As far as you know' as you put it. So that's definitive then? because you know it? Have you ever spoken to someone who works in a SW office Nod?

Yep.

You ever found a form to fill out for a free car or holiday?

Freddie59 wrote: »

The answers consist of people offering their opinion, not fact. "As far as they know" blah, blah, etc.

This is what you get for trying to be moderate in tone......

Allow me to clarify then, in precise terms - There are no free cars, holidays, satellite payments, broadband or mobile phones. You asked the question "do they exist" and I can say no, because you will be unable to find any reference to same on any Government website whatsoever. A cursory search would have shown that, but do you bother looking? No - sure why bother.....rabble rabble rabble is far more fun.