Would you like to leave the Catholic Church?

Snowie

LisaLee wrote: »

I wish I could leave, both my fiance and I were baptised into the Catholic Church but don't follow its teachings. We've chosen not to baptise any of our children and let them choose their own faith (If they feel the need to choose one). I'd rather they live by the ethos of 'Treat everyone as you'd like to be treated, and if they're a prick to you then f*ck em, their problem'

stickin it to the man :cool:

Min

No.

superstoner90

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

No I'm saying that the majority of people who answer this thread will say that they do want to leave, I personally do not.

Aw got ya.

Sleepy

I'd rather raise it to the ground but for the purposes of your question, my answer is 'Yes'.

SerialComplaint

Kess73 wrote: »

You would still be listed as being part of it in the official figures, and I think that those figures have a bearing on funding etc the church can get in Ireland. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on that than I can either confirm or debunk that.

The Church doesn't get funding from the State. The 'official figures' are those produced by the CSO from the Census, not those produced by the Church. I was kind-of amazed and disappointed to see that Census 2011 showed 84% of people declaring themselves to be Catholic.

partyatmygaff

Kess73 wrote: »

You would still be listed as being part of it in the official figures, and I think that those figures have a bearing on funding etc the church can get in Ireland. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on that than I can either confirm or debunk that.

How many times does this misconception have to be repeated?

The only "official figure" that the RCC and the government use is the census. The RCC's baptismal records are just that... a record of any and all baptisms that took place in a particular church. They are not used to keep account of the number of Catholics in Ireland for the simple reason that there are many Roman Catholics living in Ireland who were baptised outside of Ireland. I'm not even a Catholic (Nor have I ever been one) but I would have thought all of this was common knowledge.

As for the baptismal register, the same way you can't remove yourself from the register of live births just because you don't want it to be recorded that you were born in Ireland, you can't remove yourself from the baptismal register. It's a historical record of past events. Unless you can go back in time and change history, as far as i'm concerned there's no sense in removing people from a church's baptismal records.

AgileMyth

Don't consider myself a member anyways, though I was christened and confirmed. I didn't have capacity to contract at the time of either..

Frankly the church plays so small a part in my life I really don't care if they consider me a member or not. They are nothing to me.

Crea

TBH I don't believe in fundatmental parts of the religion like transubstantiation and that Mary was born without sin so i'd prefer to opt out. I think that's a good enough reason.

Agricola

Personally I don't care enough about the subject to actually physically go about formally leaving, but without doubt the process of extricating yourself from the church should be made relatively easy if only to put a stop to fiasco's like the Census 2011 results.

Witchie

I only stayed with them until my youngest got into the school he is now in 2nd year in.

I insist in Hospitals etc that they put me down as no religion but have had to fight with many nurses to ensure they do. Thankfully in recent years they are starting to listen to me.

Rockn

I'm not bothered. I don't consider being splashed with water a binding contract.

Freddie59

No.

GarIT

Witchie wrote: »

I insist in Hospitals etc that they put me down as no religion but have had to fight with many nurses to ensure they do. Thankfully in recent years they are starting to listen to me.

I had a fairly long argument with a nurse because my mother told them I was catholic and I said I wasn't. The nurse thought "but your mother knows what's best for you" would change my mind.

My uncle also had to call hospital security to remove a priest that tried to visit him a week before he died.

the culture of deference

Crea wrote: »

TBH I don't believe in fundatmental parts of the religion like transubstantiation and that Mary was born without sin so i'd prefer to opt out. I think that's a good enough reason.

Mary wasn't born.

GarIT wrote: »

My uncle also had to call hospital security to remove a priest that tried to visit him a week before he died.

Thats the priests motto, Get them when they are down.

token101

Stopped going to mass when I was 13/14 (other than Christmas which would done purely as a traditional thing and I haven't even done that in a while). Don't need a letter from anyone to tell me that I've left. I've left in my own head and that's what matters to me.

ejmaztec

Knowing my luck, the day after telling them I've quit, they'll be handing out free Beemers. I'll hedge my bets for a little while longer.

laoch na mona

i dont see how its a big deal its only religion the church never really asks for anything so i might as wel stay just to be safe

marty1985

the culture of deference wrote: »

Mary wasn't born.

What do you mean?

krudler

laoch na mona wrote: »

i dont see how its a big deal its only religion the church never really asks for anything so i might as wel stay just to be safe

what do you think the vatican was built from? well wishes and prayers?

GarIT

marty1985 wrote: »

What do you mean?

She's not real....

laoch na mona

krudler wrote: »

what do you think the vatican was built from? well wishes and prayers?

the vatician was there before the catholic church
the church does ask for donations and i wont defend them because I'm not that religious but you dont have to give anything in return for membership you dont even have to go. (how would you actually leave besides just not calling your selve a catholic )

smash

laoch na mona wrote: »

the church does ask for donations and i wont defend them because I'm not that religious but you dont have to give anything in return for membership you dont even have to go.

you get nothing in return for giving them your time.

MugMugs

smash wrote: »

you get nothing in return for giving them your time.

Do you not still get Spiritual healing and the ocassional newsletter?

smash

MugMugs wrote: »

Do you not still get Spiritual healing and the ocassional newsletter?

Spiritual healing.... you crack me up man. You probably have to pay for the newsletter though.

ProfessorWeeto

The Poll stands at:

Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church - 75.65%
No I would not like to leave the Catholic Church - 13.91%
I have never been a member of the Catholic Church 10.43%

Why am I not suprised to see "Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church" topping the polls at 75%? Would I actually be wrong to think the 'anti chruch' athiests we see on here voted in option 1, even tho they arent apart of the church :rolleyes: .. can't pass up an opportunity to try and make Ireland seem more people are favoring no religion these days (sure, there was a big debate by them about the census last week :rolleyes:)

the culture of deference

marty1985 wrote: »

What do you mean?

Mary’s birth, which is not contained in Scripture, but the sanctity of which is attested by the words of the angel Gabriel.

It would take many centuries, though, for the Catholic Church to recognize the Immaculate Conception as a doctrine, and many more before Pope Pius IX, on December 8, 1854, would declare it a dogma.

There is no biblical support or scriptural basis for the Immaculate Conception of Mary doctrine.

marty1985

the culture of deference wrote: »

The first mention of this is in the 6th century, the feast spread to Rome in the seventh century, and the west much later.

Mary’s birth, which is not contained in Scripture, but the sanctity of which is attested by the words of the angel Gabriel.

It would take many centuries, though, for the Catholic Church to recognize the Immaculate Conception as a doctrine, and many more before Pope Pius IX, on December 8, 1854, would declare it a dogma.

There is no biblical support or scriptural basis for the Immaculate Conception of Mary doctrine.

You said she wasn't born. The Immaculate Conception refers to the dogma that she was born without original sin.

woodoo

ProfessorWeeto wrote: »

The Poll stands at:

Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church - 75.65%
No I would not like to leave the Catholic Church - 13.91%
I have never been a member of the Catholic Church 10.43%

Why am I not suprised to see "Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church" topping the polls at 75%? Would I actually be wrong to think the 'anti chruch' athiests we see on here voted in option 1, even tho they arent apart of the church :rolleyes: .. can't pass up an opportunity to try and make Ireland seem more people are favoring no religion these days (sure, there was a big debate by them about the census last week :rolleyes:)

I believe a lot of people were probably put down as catholic by their family in the Census.

I don't believe 84% of Irish people are practicing Catholics.

DEFTLEFTHAND

smash wrote: »

you get nothing in return for giving them your time.

That's your opinion yes but I imagine those with faith get quite a lot out of attending religious services.

krudler

ProfessorWeeto wrote: »

The Poll stands at:

Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church - 75.65%
No I would not like to leave the Catholic Church - 13.91%
I have never been a member of the Catholic Church 10.43%

Why am I not suprised to see "Yes I would like to leave the Catholic Church" topping the polls at 75%? Would I actually be wrong to think the 'anti chruch' athiests we see on here voted in option 1, even tho they arent apart of the church :rolleyes: .. can't pass up an opportunity to try and make Ireland seem more people are favoring no religion these days (sure, there was a big debate by them about the census last week :rolleyes:)

isnt that the problem? if people werent part of the church as they wanted we wouldnt be having this discussion.

the 84% statistic is bullsh1t.

OneArt

In Germany you've got to pay a church tax if you put down your religion as Catholic/Protestant etc. So I left it blank. They won't be getting any of my money.

Anyway I think the full moon is coming up. Got to go get a goat for the Feast of Blood...

marty1985

woodoo wrote: »

I believe a lot of people were probably put down as catholic by their family in the Census.

I don't believe 84% of Irish people are practicing Catholics.

Sure, who would believe that?

But the census makes no attempt to measure people who are properly practising Catholics. Nor should it; it is no concern of the state's how well DEFTLEFTHAND practices his Catholicism or you practice your skepticism.

The state is interested in knowing how people see themselves in religious terms; not in making assumptions or devising rules about how people ought to see themselves in religious terms, and then trying to skew the census question to get people to answer in those terms.

This seems to be a big problem for atheists, but fair minded people are getting tired of pointing out that's only a "problem" in so far as you don't like the way people choose to characterise themselves. And I'm afraid that's your problem, not theirs. You're just going to have to live with it. Catholics, it should be noted, are human beings; they have dignity; they have autonomy. They get to control and determine their own religious identity according to criteria which seem proper to them.

woodoo

marty1985 wrote: »

who would believe that?

But the census makes no attempt to measure people who are properly practising Catholics. Nor should it; it is no concern of the state's how well DEFTLEFTHAND practices his Catholicism or you practice your skepticism.

The state is interested in knowing how people see themselves in religious terms; not in making assumptions or devising rules about how people ought to see themselves in religious terms, and then trying to skew the census question to get people to answer in those terms.

This seems to be a big problem for atheists, but fair minded people are getting tired of pointing out that's only a "problem" in so far as you don't like the way people choose to characterise themselves. And I'm afraid that's your problem, not theirs. You're just going to have to live with it. Catholics, it should be noted, are human beings; they have dignity; they have autonomy. They get to control and determine their own religious identity according to criteria which seem proper to them.

I'm not atheist, i am agnostic. I don't damn people for believing in God. Believing in God doesn't belong to the catholic church.

I just find the Catholic Church's teachings on many things to be dodgy.

marty1985

woodoo wrote: »

I'm not atheist, i am agnostic. I don't damn people for believing in God. Believing in God doesn't belong to the catholic church.

I just find the Catholic Church's teachings on many things to be dodgy.

OK, cool. Please consider my post not directed at you personally.

the culture of deference

92% of primary schools are controlled by RCC.

This is the issue we have with the census.

I couldn't care less what fairy stories you believe in. You are not a catholic unless you follow their rules exactly.

pbirney

No!

IM0

someone post a clip of the simpsons leader episode where they get up to leave

ejmaztec

woodoo wrote: »

I believe a lot of people were probably put down as catholic by their family in the Census.

I don't believe 84% of Irish people are practicing Catholics.

The other 16% post on After Hours and skew any related polls to give the impression that 99% of the entire population are atheists.

The 84% can't use keyboards because their hands are stuck together, and they couldn't reach them anyway because they're always kneeling down.

Benny_Cake

Kess73 wrote: »

AboutTwoFiddy wrote: »

If you don't believe in it you've left it. It's not as if we're branded or something.

You would still be listed as being part of it in the official figures, and I think that those figures have a bearing on funding etc the church can get in Ireland. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on that than I can either confirm or debunk that.

The only figure that would count in this case would be the census figures, which is an entirely different discussion. The Catholic Church would be able to say how many baptisms took place in a given year, but otherwise they would have no clear numbers and would also rely on the census. If you don't consider yourself a Catholic and didn't declare yourself a Catholic in the census, then you aren't one.

krudler

marty1985 wrote: »

Sure, who would believe that?

But the census makes no attempt to measure people who are properly practising Catholics. Nor should it; it is no concern of the state's how well DEFTLEFTHAND practices his Catholicism or you practice your skepticism.

The state is interested in knowing how people see themselves in religious terms; not in making assumptions or devising rules about how people ought to see themselves in religious terms, and then trying to skew the census question to get people to answer in those terms.

This seems to be a big problem for atheists, but fair minded people are getting tired of pointing out that's only a "problem" in so far as you don't like the way people choose to characterise themselves. And I'm afraid that's your problem, not theirs. You're just going to have to live with it. Catholics, it should be noted, are human beings; they have dignity; they have autonomy. They get to control and determine their own religious identity according to criteria which seem proper to them.

er, no, the catholic church has set rules to abide by to be really considered a catholic, people picking and choosing what beliefs suit them makes them a christian, not a catholic, but people in this country seem to be unable to tell the difference between being born a catholic and being a practicing one.

Coriolanus

Bring in the German religion tax and then we'd see a different picture to the census.

Oh and op, if you can convince your parish priest that you've converted then they take you off the active list I think. I suggest Islam, so you get your very own fatwa when you defect a second time.

Cork24

i must get on this Right away,, and fill out this Form..

If i have Kids i will not give them a faith i will teach them every thing i know about being a Catholic, Muslim, Hindu and Buddhism and allow him to pick what he will want his life to part of a faith..

later12

I want to be a member of the Roman Catholic church.

I think anyone who comes from a non Catholic background can probably symathise with the underwhelming nature of Protestant ceremonies. I mean all religion is pure mythology anyway, and if you're going to do it at all, give it welly: I'm talking Latin mass, ornate buildings, deliciously priceless artwork, burning incense, intriguingly obscure traditions, and bizarre superstitions.

I'm a fan of asceticism in general, I think, but it mixes badly with religion. The Christian Church seems to have learned this shortly after the death of Jesus Christ, the problem with most of the Protestant churches was its unlearning during the reformation. Anyone ever been to a Quaker funeral? Silence, Tea, biscuits, a chat and then a bit of silence again? If you're into religion, that's not how you want to go. Do it with a bang.

Toby Take a Bow

later12 wrote: »

if you're going to do it at all, give it welly: I'm talking Latin mass, ornate buildings, deliciously priceless artwork, burning incense, intriguingly obscure traditions, and bizarre superstitions.

You should check out some Orthodox churches. Insanely over-the-top.

Cork24

later12 wrote: »

I

I think anyone who comes from a non Catholic background can probably symathise with the underwhelming nature of Protestant ceremonies.

Every being in a Protestant Grave yard ??? NO I have you can eat your Food off the ground, and right across the road next to it their a Catholic Grave Yard Guess what the Grass is as High as myself!! So if i have to pick i'll go with the Protestant Grave yard...


Sick of this Bull S**t of a Country with it living in the past, your nothing but a Hun.

Cork24

IF you do Leave the Church and you die in the Morning whats the Story their ,

what is you opinion how to you have a passing,

those where the days when you can just burn the body out in the field

later12

Cork24 wrote: »

Every being in a Protestant Grave yard ??? NO

Em, did you read my post?
Yes, I have. I think you missed the (fairly lighthearted) point I was trying to make.

Sick of this Bull S**t of a Country with it living in the past, your nothing but a Hun.

You're saying I live in the past and calling me a hun? Delicious.

Anyway I'm not interested in any of this religious stuff, it was just an observation about Catholic ceremonies.

krudler

Cork24 wrote: »

IF you do Leave the Church and you die in the Morning whats the Story their ,

what is you opinion how to you have a passing,

those where the days when you can just burn the body out in the field

you get shot out of a cannon off the cliffs of Moher.

marty1985

krudler wrote: »

er, no, the catholic church has set rules to abide by to be really considered a catholic, people picking and choosing what beliefs suit them makes them a christian, not a catholic, but people in this country seem to be unable to tell the difference between being born a catholic and being a practicing one.

Sorry krudler, people are still free to choose their own religious identity. In fact, they just did recently in a big census.

The reality is that a lot of people identify in the census as Catholic, and they have their reasons for doing so. We can all make unwarranted assumptions about what those reasons are, and then complain because the presumed reasons do not meet their own criteria but be honest, it’s not a line of argument that people find very compelling.

qrrgprgua

love these Boards.ie polls... They never ever reflect reality.