We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

Freddie59

woodoo wrote: »

I'm alright jack Freddie

For now......

seniorstaff

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

Ive said it before I will say it again all public sector works are ...... wait I got banned the last time I called them all scum so better not do that again.

So all Nurses, Gardai , Firefighters, Prison officers, Teachers, postal workers, Soldiers, are scum in your eyes

Why do you call them that?

LilyCricket

Someone with one arm was looking for a grant there 2 weeks ago, studying music he said.

Dudess

seniorstaff wrote: »

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

Ive said it before I will say it again all public sector works are ...... wait I got banned the last time I called them all scum so better not do that again.

So all Nurses, Gardai , Firefighters, Prison officers, Teachers, postal workers, Soldiers, are scum in your eyes

Why do you call them that?

Because it's fashionable to say the entire public service is scum without putting thought into it.

micropig

LilyCricket wrote: »

Someone with one arm was looking for a grant there 2 weeks ago, studying music he said.

Sounds genuine:p:D

Rabidlamb

seniorstaff wrote: »

So all Nurses, Gardai , Firefighters, Prison officers, Teachers, postal workers, Soldiers, are scum in your eyes

Why do you call them that?

Of course they're not that term which he didn't use directly.
People in the private sector on an average wage of €30k just find it difficult to look at those on an average wage of €50k while the country is borrowing €400 million a week.
The fact that increments weren't stopped adds more insult to injury.

Noonan has to find €3.6 billion again next December, tax, vat & duty seem to be tapped out, it's just a question will Labour will allow FG to take on the CPA or the Welfare budget.
It'll be easier batter dole scroungers so I predict they'll take the brunt this year.
The Unions will do a deal on CPA Mark 2 which will see savings from 2014 on.
Labour won't bring down the government as FG could get in with Independents based on the latest Polls.
Interesting times ahead.

Feeona

A rant about the public sector masquerading as a birr ov a laff! Well I never :eek:

Dudess

You'd have to be considerably senior to earn 50k in the public sector. I know this because I, unlike its most vocal detractors (who'd happily work there if they got in) have worked there.

gerryo777

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Of course they're not that term which he didn't use directly.
People in the private sector on an average wage of €30k just find it difficult to look at those on an average wage of €50k while the country is borrowing €400 million a week.
The fact that increments weren't stopped adds more insult to injury.

Noonan has to find €3.6 billion again next December, tax, vat & duty seem to be tapped out, it's just a question will Labour will allow FG to take on the CPA or the Welfare budget.
It'll be easier batter dole scroungers so I predict they'll take the brunt this year.
The Unions will do a deal on CPA Mark 2 which will see savings from 2014 on.
Labour won't bring down the government as FG could get in with Independents based on the latest Polls.
Interesting times ahead.

Who in your opinion are the 'dole scroungers'?

Rabidlamb

gerryo777 wrote: »

Who in your opinion are the 'dole scroungers'?

"Dole Scroungers" should mean those who abuse the system & choose welfare over work.
The right wing media would paint a wider brush & use it as a lazy term to encompass all welfare recipients.
I use it to illustrate how it is easier to sell welfare cuts instead of PS pay reductions.
There is no such derogatory term for the collective of nurses, guards, firemen, teachers etc.
I believe PS pay cuts will come further down the line as part of a CPA2.

Rabidlamb

David McWilliams: Teachers need to learn hard lessons about pay
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-mcwilliams/david-mcwilliams-teachers-need-to-learn-hard-lessons-about-pay-3076672.html

Sensible teachers are being led up the garden path by their union leaders and their expectations will be dashed, leading to anger.

I heard the INTO national conference on the radio yesterday. Did you? If you did, you would have heard a union leadership who are living in cloud cuckooland. On the radio, I heard fighting talk about the Croke Park Agreement and how it is sacrosanct.

In normal times, few would disagree that teachers should get their dues. They should be well paid and well resourced. In fact, resources in primary should be increased, over all other levels of education, because we know that the more resources that are thrown at young children, the greater the outcome, in terms of kids from poor backgrounds getting a better education and a better 'leg-up' in life.

But from the point of view of salaries and pay rates, it seems that the idea that our country is bankrupt has evaded the teachers' union leaders.

Teachers are not being singled out, nor are they being picked on. There just isn't the cash out there.

But for the Croke Park Agreement, the writing is on the wall. The State can't afford it. Never mind all the spin we are seeing and hearing right now from the likes of the NTMA or the Department of Finance. There will be no going back to the markets next year. The Spanish and Italian bond markets are getting hammered. There is no way in the world that anyone is going to lend to Ireland, unless we offer a realistic way out of this and stop pretending that national wage deals signed in 2010 have any realistic hope of being paid.

It strikes me that the union bosses are leading their members up a garden path if they keep telling them that the commitments entered into in the Croke Park deal can be met. This can only lead to disappointment. And there are few things more irresponsible than false hope.

Look at this from the context of a teacher who has to consider an ambitious student. Mammy wants him to do an honours paper in the Leaving Cert. But you, the teacher, know he's just not up to it and would be better off dropping to a pass and focusing on the subjects that he is good at.

What do you do? Do you tell him and save him the disappointment in August? Or do you raise his hopes, hopes that you know can never be fulfilled? It's your choice.

The union bosses have the same choice.

I believe Mr. McWilliams is suggesting a shorter time frame for the break up of the CPA than even I suggested.
This week of sabre rattling by the teaching unions will only turn political support against them.
The media already have the knives out quoting the impressive salaries in every news report.

talla10

Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


/ strirring nice and thick...:pac:

Mickey H

talla10 wrote: »

Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


/ strirring nice and thick...:pac:

We have a winner!!

Rabidlamb

talla10 wrote: »

Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


/ strirring nice and thick...:pac:

I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror knowing my bankrupt country was over paying me obscenely & putting itself more & more in debt.:rolleyes:

StephenHendry

talla10 wrote: »

Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


/ strirring nice and thick...:pac:

lol

micropig

talla10 wrote: »

Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


/ strirring nice and thick...:pac:

I am competent
I am a hard worker
I take pride in my work
I am not lazy
I do not have an over inflated ego and sense of entitlement
I am not a moaning whinger

...I wouldn't fit in:p

Freddie59

talla10 wrote: »

Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


/ strirring nice and thick...:pac:

Ha ha. Still laughing at that one. Ah that ole Egyptian River............

MagicSean

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror knowing my bankrupt country was over paying me obscenely & putting itself more & more in debt.:rolleyes:

You'd be happier knowing your child is being thought by the lowest bidder? Remember the saying, "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"Higher wages attract better quality applicants for jobs. Teachers have one of the most important jobs in the country. We should be looking at ways to get the most from them. This should involve getting rid of teachers that don't match up to the high standards that there pay level demands.

Dudess

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror knowing my bankrupt country was over paying me obscenely & putting itself more & more in debt.:rolleyes:

Bet ya'd be juuuuuuuuuust fine - and happy to take a public sector job.
And also, the statistical possibility of you being grossly overpaid is extremely low.

Overall, between the two, I've preferred the private sector to work in.

micropig

MagicSean wrote: »

"Higher wages attract better quality applicants for jobs.

History shows otherwise

Freddie59

MagicSean wrote: »

Higher wages attract better quality applicants for jobs.

Like in the Banks?:)

MagicSean wrote: »

Teachers have one of the most important CUSHIEST jobs in the country. We should be looking at ways to get the most from them. This should involve getting rid of teachers that don't match up to the high standards that there pay level demands.

There. Fixed that for you. The teachers need to get their own house in order before lecturing anyone else, for example maybe asking for rules to be put in place so that retiring teachers cannot be allowed back, which is causing severe difficulties for young teachers starting out.

AMAZINGLY, this has not even been RAISED at the Teachers conferences. They rally look after the young teachers retiring teachers, don't they?

Rabidlamb

I hear allowances maybe open season soon.
Someone found a loophole in the CPA.

TwoShedsJackson

Freddie59 has closed his account?!?!? woe is me etc.

micropig

Rabidlamb wrote: »

I hear allowances maybe open season soon.
Someone found a loophole in the CPA.

€1.5 billion spent on 800 different types of allowances in the public sector. Total public sector budget this year 13 billion.


I hope they cut the lot of them, starting with the period allowance:pac:

xflyer

It's not whether Gardai/Soldiers/Teachers/Civil servants and all the rest of the PS are lazy, overpaid, underworked and all the rest. In reality we all know most do their best and do a good job, just like the rest of us.

It's just that the country cannot afford their wage bill anymore without borrowing more and more and more money.

David McWilliams put it best:

But for the Croke Park Agreement, the writing is on the wall. The State can't afford it. Never mind all the spin we are seeing and hearing right now from the likes of the NTMA or the Department of Finance. There will be no going back to the markets next year. The Spanish and Italian bond markets are getting hammered. There is no way in the world that anyone is going to lend to Ireland, unless we offer a realistic way out of this and stop pretending that national wage deals signed in 2010 have any realistic hope of being paid.

That's the reality. Thus far the government has shown no tendency to grasp this particular nettle. They have to eventually. The pressure will come from Europe and the IMF and as we all know our brave government snaps to attention when our real leaders speak.

Rabidlamb

xflyer wrote: »

That's the reality. Thus far the government has shown no tendency to grasp this particular nettle. They have to eventually. The pressure will come from Europe and the IMF and as we all know our brave government snaps to attention when our real leaders speak.

That's the crux of it alright, the government can always blame FF anyway so there's that safety net.
I reckon they know it's coming so just hope to stage-manage the situation so it appears the Troika have a gun to their heads.

Smidge

I watched Jimmy Kelly(Unite)on Vincent on Tuesday and nearly fell of the chair when he said "Well look, we know there are 77 people in the public sector who are on more that 500.000 a year, but I don't think anyone is going to lose sleep over that"
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Has he lost his fu*king marbles?
That's 38.5 million a year on 77 peoples salaries and no-one is going to lose sleep over it?
And the government have the cheek to target special need kids?

micropig

mishkalucy wrote: »

I watched Jimmy Kelly(Unite)on Vincent on Tuesday and nearly fell of the chair when he said "Well look, we know there are 77 people in the public sector who are on more that 500.000 a year, but I don't think anyone is going to lose sleep over that"
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
Has he lost his fu*king marbles?
That's 38.5 million a year on 77 peoples salaries and no-one is going to lose sleep over it?
And the government have the cheek to target special need kids?

Yes, they're entitled to it, they're very good librarians and paper clip tray fillers:rolleyes:

Smidge

Ah but sweet St Matthew of the paper punch, 38.5 million euros a year between 77 people and they are targeting the 77 euro a week that special needs kids (who life has already dealt a crappy hand)get through domiciliary allowance.
FFS this country has gone to hell in a hand basket

user098

Its about time they tackled and focused on the real problem, i.e. the Public Servants and so called 'managers' on over 70k, rather than trying to tar all ordinary public workers, with the one brush. This just lets the fat cat parasites hide behind the ordinary public sector worker.

Lapin

user098

Lapin wrote: »

A bit more time on photoshop and it might fool a few

micropig

Statement of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin, T.D. Expenditure Estimates 2012:

Secure 2% efficiencies in disability, mental health and childrens’ services, saving €50 million.

€35 million would have went a long way in preventing cuts

€35 million, the amount deemed appropriate for the development of community mental health services


Minister Ruairi Quinn's €35 million initiative to replace rented prefabs with permanent classrooms in over 200 schools has been welcomed by the Irish Vocational Education Association (IVEA).


€35 million, 77 employees :mad:

woodoo

The troika are very impressed that Ireland has exceeded all its targets. That must include our super public servants. 3 cheers... hip hip horray!!

micropig

woodoo wrote: »

The troika are very impressed that Ireland has exceeded all its targets. That must include our super public servants. 3 cheers... hip hip horray!!

I believed you when you said the medical card issue had been sorted..I won't fall for it again:p

Smidge

The figures are startling to say the least. When it comes done to the brass tacks(and I am not targeting the lower paid ps workers) it galls me that these people are protected when the most vulnerable in society ie poor, children(especially special needs children)are being gutted like fish

woodoo

micropig wrote: »

I believed you when you said the medical card issue had been sorted..I won't fall for it again:p

They are a rogue bunch down there.

user098

micropig wrote: »

Statement of the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Brendan Howlin, T.D. Expenditure Estimates 2012:



€35 million would have went a long way in preventing cuts

€35 million, the amount deemed appropriate for the development of community mental health services


Minister Ruairi Quinn's €35 million initiative to replace rented prefabs with permanent classrooms in over 200 schools has been welcomed by the Irish Vocational Education Association (IVEA).


€35 million, 77 employees :mad:

Yet not a single word about the € 30,000,000,000 of taxpayers money given to Anglo Irish Bank, nor SCAMA. Methinks you are a banker.

micropig

user098 wrote: »

Yet not a single word about the € 30,000,000,000 of taxpayers money given to Anglo Irish Bank, nor SCAMA. Methinks you are a banker.

Just highlighting projects costing €35 million


I no banker
I am foreigner
I come to take your job
But you have no job:pac::pac:

user098

micropig wrote: »

Just highlighting projects costing €35 million

While avoiding the billions of taxpayers money being spent on Anglo and SCAMA
Ssssshh thrash the worker, remember public worker vs private worker, race to the bottom, so the golden circle can laugh at them both all the way to their tax free caymen island bank accounts.

micropig

user098 wrote: »

While avoiding the billions of taxpayers money being spent on Anglo and SCAMA

Not avoiding them at all.

NiThigim

youre obviously not a banker, you are only talking of millions!

micropig

user098 wrote: »

Ssssshh thrash the worker, remember public worker vs private worker, race to the bottom, so the golden circle can laugh at them both all the way to their tax free caymen island bank accounts.

:pac::pac::pac:

If you earn over €500,000 I consider you part of the golden circle.

Am I thrashing the worker? Yes the 77 workers who earns over €500,000

Did you not read my post?

user098

NiThigim wrote: »

youre obviously not a banker, you are only talking of millions!

Exactly. Pennywise and poundfoolish, he's had the wool pulled over his eyes, while Seanie, Bertie and pals laugh all the way to their caymen island bank accounts, he's complaining about irish workers pay, people who, after they pay their taxes, spend their wages locally on private sector goods and services.

Smidge

I know this thread is about public sector bashing, that's not was I was looking to do tbh. I was just shocked that such a small(77) group of people obtain such a huge paypacket EVERY year:eek:
Just to put things into perspective, those 77 people are paid by the state over the course of 5 years..................

192 and a half MILLION

NiThigim

His basic salary is €690,000 (The Irish Government put a €500,000 salary cap on chief executives of state-guaranteed banks). Additionally he has an annual car cash allowance of €34,000, and receives free tax advice in accordance with executive levels. Other benefits include health insurance and loans at preferential rates and has waived his entitlement to club membership fees.
A letter from Chairman Pat Molloy to Boucher in the spring of 2010 reveals that executive bonuses will probably be back in 2011. Boucher will be entitled to a pension of two-thirds of his €690,000 salary when he reaches 60. His dependant is entitled to 100 per cent of this amount whether Boucher dies in service or afterwards. The employment contract includes a permanent gagging clause.
As at 31 December 2009 he had €946,000 in loans from the Bank of Ireland, with €708,000 described as "other loans" and €235,000 in mortgage loans. In April 2010, following contact between theTaoiseach's department and the bank he waived his option to retire on pension at 55 and thus removed the need to top up his pension by €1.5m.

Who am I?

Nope not Public Service, try again

micropig

user098 wrote: »

Exactly. Pennywise and poundfoolish, he's had the wool pulled over his eyes, while Seanie, Bertie and pals laugh all the way to their caymen island bank accounts, he's complaining about irish workers pay, people who, after they pay their taxes, spend their wages locally on private sector goods and services.

77 workers earn €35 million. I comment this is madness and you think I'm attacking the worker 'pennywise and pound foolish':pac::pac::pac::pac:


Are you having a few smokes tonight because you can go in late on the flexitime for casual friday?:D:D:D

user098

micropig wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

If you earn over €500,000 I consider you part of the golden circle.

Am I thrashing the worker? Yes the 77 workers who earns over €500,000

Did you not read my post?

I consider anyone on over 70k part of the golden cirlce problem, but then again I'm able to differentiate between ordinary public and private sector workers, and the parasite scam artists, who want to drive all ordinary workers wages down in order to keep their fat profits, and luxury lifestyles. In the middle of one of Irelands worst ever recessions, the top 10 richest people in Ireland have got richer. I'm a bit fed up hearing cut and paste rubbish from Dennis O'Brien's media rags.

Smidge

micropig wrote: »

77 workers earn €38.5 million. I comment this is madness and you think I'm attacking the worker 'pennywise and pound foolish':pac::pac::pac::pac:


Are you having a few smokes tonight because you can go in late on the flexitime for casual friday?:D:D:D

fyP:)

Smidge

user098 wrote: »

I consider anyone on over 70k part of the golden cirlce problem, but then again I'm able to differentiate between ordinary public and private sector workers, and the parasite scam artists, who want to drive all ordinary workers wages down in order to keep their fat profits, and luxury lifestyles. In the middle of one of Irelands worst ever recessions, the top 10 richest people in Ireland have got richer. I'm a bit fed up hearing cut and paste rubbish from Dennis O'Brien's media rags.

Anyone on that kind of money cannot comprehend what it feels like to dread the postman or the telephone