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07-04-2012 3:20am#1First off I'm not overly religious so I'm not writing this because I believe that not having god in your life will attract demons or evil spirits, I'm writing this because quite a few people have mentioned demons on past posts and not gotten a lot of answers. I've been reading up on demons for years now so I thought I'd add a little of what I have found in the hopes it might answer some questions.
Demons are not necessarily responsible for hauntings its more of a case that they exist in a place once they act there so the chances of encountering one are slim unless you actively dabble in something that opens a doorway for them to come through to this plane. Human beings only exist in the physical form on this plane but demons can exist on either, if a demon possesses someone then that demon is "here" but only because they are existing through that person. They do have their own plane outside of our world but its not as complex as our own and while humans busy themselves with creating and nurturing life demons only exist to cause harm.
While our own existence is more physical theirs is all about obtaining the knowledge and intellectual skills which they can in turn use against us. They don't use language like we do instead their communication is based on the power of thought. While we rely on words which are symbolic representations of our thoughts demons are at their core spiritual beings so their thoughts are transmitted telepathically without the need for words. There is misunderstanding that demons know the future, the truth is we have free will so human freedom makes it undermined. However because their intelligence is far superior to our own they can predict certain aspects of the future by using observation and deduction on a level we cannot in our physical form perceive. There are times though that because of the vast complexities and variability of human actions even the most intellectual demons can be mistaken in its predictions.
Demons can affect us in life in many ways often it can be mental illness or demonic oppression or even possession. Demonic oppression can occur when a persons guard is lowered to the point where a demon can latch onto that person and feed off of their energy, left long enough it can lead to mental illness. Demons are always looking for a way in and tools like the Ouija board are a perfect doorway for them to enter you're life. The common misconception is that the board puts you in touch with deceased family members but that's not always how it goes. My own theory is that the board naturally attracts whatever is closet to us at the time of operating it, and that means those which are less spiritually evolved than our loved ones who have passed. Demons exist on a much lower spiritual plane, they are less evolved and are therefore the likeliest of contacts to be made during an Ouija session.
As mentioned they are intellectually superior to ourselves and use lies and deception to keep the session going. Why would it benefit them to come through? they latch onto humans and feed off of the energy the board operator puts out. Naturally when the session ends they do not want to leave as easily as they came and will use threats and everything in their power to frighten the operators, the fear we show them feeds them even more and that's when a lot of demons show their true colours. Demons do by nature target people who in our own world who have or will have influence over others, they will work together and coordinate all of their efforts if it means a goal can be achieved, there are even cases of exorcisms where higher demons forced other lesser demons to possess humans and under an exorcism prevented their leaving to the best of their abilities.
The idea that certain activities make it easier from demons to assert their power on our planes is not as out there as it may seem, its widely reported that certain occult practices open you up to demonic entities and I certainly believe it but its not all as arcane as it sounds. Things like heavy alcoholism and drug abuse lowers our spiritual defenses making us easy prey for demons, like attracts like so if a person is living their life through anger or violence they are even more susceptible to encountering a demon. Then what about possession? everyone with even a minor interest in the paranormal understands that the ritual of exorcism is to drive out the dark forces at work in a living person. Though like I said I'm not religious I do actually believe that those forces can indeed be forcefully removed by a religious ritual. My belief is that demons are real entities that do exist in their own dimension and enter our plane to target a person or persons, but while they have that power someone spiritually strong enough can force them back out again.
If however possession is simply a mental illness then the ritual performed by the exorcist can force the possessed into believing and accepting that they are being rid of the dark forces at work inside them. If that's the case and demonic forces exist only in our imaginations then the power of faith and belief is strong enough to cleanse that person, when you bring religion into the picture that belief is reinforced and becomes solidified in the minds of true believers.
Religion in general has always used the devil and the very notion of evil entities to explain away affliction befalling everyday people, from illness to natural disasters religion always turns to blaming it on demons. I have never prescribed to the idea that demons are fallen angels who rebelled against god and were then cast down to hell. I think it makes more sense that they are supernatural creatures that are from an alternative dimension that exists parallel to our own world. Religion will always state that its a physical hell they originate from because it suits religions needs but whether that is actually the case or that they are from another dimension cases of possession and demonic influence are constantly being reported.
Its a common belief in many religions that other dimensions do exist in our own material world but can only be observed through psychic and spiritual awareness. Different religions have their own names and understandings of these dimensions, Buddhists recognize it but preach that its better to avoid it and concentrate on the higher levels. Hinduism sees it as the vast spiritual existence where the akashic records are stored, a non physical existence where all the wisdom of the universe resides.
To believe in other dimensions has been debated and theorized for many years, Einstein himself speculated about the possibility that parallel universes co-exist with our own reality. If indeed these dimensions do exist then its also possible that portals already exist to serve as doorways for demons and other entities to pass through freely. This could explain many high profile hauntings that have existed over extremely long time spans, or that we ourselves can harness enough energy to serve as portals for demons and spirits. Many native american tribes built burial grounds on suspected grounds that contained portals making it easier for their loved ones to reach the spirit world. To this day we are uncertain how the tribes located these areas but my own belief is they found paranormal hotspots by using psychic intuition and deep meditation. Its possible that similar portals exist around our world today and are used by demons and other entities to traverse our physical realm but they can't exist long enough without energy and so things like possession and oppression occur.
My belief is that portals are fixed to certain places around the world and don't move from place to place, I don't know if new ones open up but I definitely think its a subject that merits extra investigation. Locations of suspected portals often produce scientific results such as changes in temperatures and photographs often reveal orbs, lights, mists even figures all unseen by the person taking the photograph. Demons and other spirits are able to pass through these portals because unlike us they are not hindered by a physical body, however in deep controlled meditation and in astral projection reaching those levels becomes possible.
Demons do have their own ranks and types and this is often distinguished by their intellectual level and power over other demons. I believe regular spirits from the light appear white in nature because it reflects their climb up the spiritual ladder. Demons however appear grey or black because their corruption and experiences transforms their etheric body, in extreme hauntings when religious objects come under attack its often common for a black form of mist to materialize, this is either a demon or a lower entity being controlled by a demon.
Lower entities exist more for egocentrical needs rather than anything else, they thrive on all forms of negativity which in turn can open up the doorway for a more powerful demonic force to come through. There are no simple answers to what demons are because their intelligence seriously outweighs our own and the physical laws we have to abide by do not apply to them. Demons can like I mentioned attach themselves to humans through negative emotions and manipulation, manipulation which can lead to controlling any or all facets of a persons life. There is no real way to avoid the attention of them but there are ways to limit the chances, uneducated dabbling in the occult will most definitely make a person more likely to encounter a demonic but often even become more spiritually active can draw them in too. Because they exist to taunt and mislead, a person who looks to become more religiously active can also cross the path of a demon, many priests when studying for the priesthood report encountering demonic entities trying to tempt them away from the live they are attempting to pursue.
The best way to avoid demons is to keep you're aura strong and resilient, I'm not saying live a life of religious virtue. An aura can become weakened by dwelling on negativity, drinking and abusing drugs, it takes a lot to wear an aura down but once it is weakened that is when an entity will make its move. I view demonology as a science and try to avoid the bibles representation and misconceptions as much as possible but I can never get away from the fact that certain religions objects and icons do indeed have an effect on dark entities, it could be just the power of you're own will being reinforced by you're beliefs. Or they could indeed be fallen angels cast out of heaven by god, at the end of the day it all depends on what you yourself believe and sometimes even the belief of evil forces is enough to manifest just that so don't dwell on it too much. ironically its now 3:20am so I'll leave it here.
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Oh and by 3:20am I mean this: the veil between our world and the spirit world is its weakest between the hours of 3:00am and 4:00am, being that time in our world is constant and that in the spirit world its circular then it would make sense that regardless of time zones the veil thins in that particular region. I always have the strongest paranormal experiences between those hours, some people say its the reverse of when christ died (oh wonderful its good friday) but I think its just down to how our reality coexists with the spirit world, most deaths and after death communications occur between those hours too. Either way I hope the above article answered some questions people were asking. 0
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lisatiffany wrote: »A normal person looks like a big mac to a demon because you're energy keeps them strong and revitalized. They are more like psychic vampires than pitchfork wielding monsters but will use fear and lies to get you're pulse racing because the more angry or upset you are the more they get out of you
This may sound like a stupid question, or even troll like, but I assure you it's not. Admittedly I'd be a skeptic of 99% or paranormal things, but I'm definitely open to the possibilities anyway.
If Demons whole reason for being that you touched on above, is to cause pain/misery/suffering to us...what did they do before mankind was around? Mankind is what, a hundred thousand years old give or take, & has lived on the planet for less than 1% of the Earth's total age. Given they are ethereal in a sense, & vastly more intelligent, I'd assume they've been around for a lot longer than 100k years?
Also one might argue that mankind only arose due to the extinction of the planets dominant species. Had the Dinosaurs not been wiped out, it's very likely mankind would not have been able to evolve in the way it has. Surely that would have meant Demons etc would have had a lot of spare time on their hands?
I suppose I'm using the above to call into account their very existence. It seems to me that Demons only exist because we exist if you get me.
Feel completely free to ignore my stupid points
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great text lisa.i'm new to the boards myself and find the paranormal one very interesting.
it was very informative and i found myself asking the question of 'what' and 'why',as in what would an angel do to get thrown out of heaven,and why would they want to get thrown out?
the mind boggles
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This may sound like a stupid question, or even troll like, but I assure you it's not. Admittedly I'd be a skeptic of 99% or paranormal things, but I'm definitely open to the possibilities anyway.
If Demons whole reason for being that you touched on above, is to cause pain/misery/suffering to us...what did they do before mankind was around? Mankind is what, a hundred thousand years old give or take, & has lived on the planet for less than 1% of the Earth's total age. Given they are ethereal in a sense, & vastly more intelligent, I'd assume they've been around for a lot longer than 100k years?
Also one might argue that mankind only arose due to the extinction of the planets dominant species. Had the Dinosaurs not been wiped out, it's very likely mankind would not have been able to evolve in the way it has. Surely that would have meant Demons etc would have had a lot of spare time on their hands?
I suppose I'm using the above to call into account their very existence. It seems to me that Demons only exist because we exist if you get me.
Feel completely free to ignore my stupid points
Demons/negative energies feed off the energy of fear.There was plenty of fear in the Dinosaur ages.All animal/reptile fear is the same.0 -
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lisatiffany wrote: »Oh and by 3:20am I mean this: the veil between our world and the spirit world is its weakest between the hours of 3:00am and 4:00am, being that time in our world is constant and that in the spirit world its circular then it would make sense that regardless of time zones the veil thins in that particular region. I always have the strongest paranormal experiences between those hours, some people say its the reverse of when christ died (oh wonderful its good friday) but I think its just down to how our reality coexists with the spirit world, most deaths and after death communications occur between those hours too. Either way I hope the above article answered some questions people were asking.
Sorry? You claim to be a scientist of some kind but would you care to distinguish between circular time and constand time? I'm willing to believe that what you say about deaths occuring between 3 and 4 AM is true but I assume you are talking about that particular time in each time zone. I'd have to also raise the point that in a lot of cases, there may be outside influences at play to bring forth that finding. For instance, in hospitals staff may be busy getting ready for the next shift change and may not be as attentive to patients or even that simply checks may be performed every hour or half hour so things that might be noticed earlier might not get the same attention in time, hence a patient dies. It's sad but true.
I'm sceptical about your various examples of those who are prone to encounter demons. Alcoholism and drug use can cause mental problems. Even the simple fact that the least both these can lead to is malnourishment would be a factor I'd think. I certainly wouldn't call what they encounter demons. You mention also that priests encounter demons along the way in training. How do the natural though processes of any respnsible human being become demons where priests are concerned? Would you ascribe feelings of uncertainty or doubt on the part of a bride or groom in the days before their wedding to be representations of demons also? If not, why not?
Finally, I think you're feeding into a normal human trait that would consider beings we don't understand to be far more intelligent than us. Hanging about looking for inroads into another dimension to feed off negative energy and generally act as a force for bad hardly seems particularly intelligent to me. I'd ascribe that type of behaviour to a simpler animal. We all know that there are classes of insects whose sole motivations are to feed and reproduce. Human behaviour exhibits fare more complex motivations and I think we can all agree that humans are at the top of the pyramid in terms of intelligence and ability. Humans are aware of these other dimensions and are conducting experiments to find ways to breach the divides between these dimensions. If demons are actually superior to us intelligence wise and have been around far longer, would it not make sense to conclude that they would have come up with a way to mobilise whole armies to feed off in one fell swoop rather than relying on the occasional hapless teenager with a ouija board or a helpless alcoholic?0 -
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Wow lots of feedback right there. I have been busy on photo shoots and covering Easter Rising commemorations for the last few days so I haven't had a chance to check the thread but its nice to see so much of a varied response. I'll write a proper response myself some part of tomorrow but to Ziycon sorry but I'm not going to watch a 2 hour film on youtube, I'm sure its interesting but I'll catch it some time on dvd or bluray. And to ratticus I don't turn to demons for information of any type or for help of any type they are too dangerous and like you said they have agendas. I do however communicate with spirits through channeling and clairvoyance and I naturally ask a lot about other dimensions and of the creatures that reside there. Time and time again I'm urged to be wary of the 2nd dimension that the demons there want nothing more than to cause us harm and that most of the time that is what the Ouija taps into.
In ceremonial magic you yourself bring the entity into a controlled space which means there is a certain level of control and you know what you are doing. What I'm saying is those same entities can and will cause harm if they are given the opportunity to do so especially if the person coming into contact with them knows nothing about protection on any level. Interacting with entities the way you have being doing is done through you're own chosen situation and it works for you so of course they are going to appear behaved and complacent but if someone does invoke one with no idea how to control or even banish it then they are getting themselves into a whole world of trouble. I've known people on all spectrum of demonic activity, exorcists working with possessed and supposedly possessed people, authors who worked on books dealing with demons and exorcism, covens in the uk and russia who work with entities in controlled and protected spell casting and evocation, people who have had demonic energies in their homes after messing around with spirit boards. When it comes to magic yes it can be a positive thing to have an entity work with you but I honestly believe that they show their true colours once they have no use left for a person or once they are given the opportunity to run wild. At the end of the day we are less evolved than they are and on an intellectual level they can run rings around us like you wouldn't believe. Twenty years is a long time to work in magic for a human but 20 years to an entity is no time at all, I don't doubt they appear to be working on you're side but never let you're guard down.
Ratticus I'm curious how these entities have behaved for you over the years and if you honestly believe that they can be that well controlled?. One worrying thing a spirit told me before was that in order to work with an entity on the Ouija board they have to merge with you're aura to move the planchette, I'd love to think that's not the case but I wonder if the same can be said of magic? Once you have the entity contained in the circle do you not think they would be after something themselves? they don't exist so they can do our bidding so there must be some form of an energy exchange for them too?. You mentioned you do it protected and obviously that's the safest way but do you never wonder that demons especially might take advantage?. I'm not taking a stab at you I'm just curious because anyone I do know that works with entities in magic admit the risks involved are very high especially with the high number of negative energies and entities that are well within range of our own plane. I'm also curious that if you don't believe they are inter dimensional energies and entities that can interact with our world through portals and people then what do you believe they are?/where do you think they come from? and what do you think their agendas are?. Again I'm not taking a stab at you I'm just trying to see what you're own thoughts are on the subject. 0 -
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