puppy farming

dirtyghettokid

is puppy farming finally illegal?
i saw a show on TV3 a while back, that said they were still fighting to change the laws in ireland regarding puppy farming.
i did a google there, and found an article from january this year that said
"Long awaited legislation outlaws puppy farming in Ireland
Authorities now have power to shut down breeders"

if we suspect someone is running a puppy farm, what should/can we do?

Discodog

The Dog Breeding Establishments Bill didn't make puppy farms illegal. In fact some might argue that it legalises puppy farming. All the puppy farmer has to do is register & pay a fee.

A puppy farm won't face closure unless it fails an inspection & even then it would be given time to put the situation right. I have not heard of any inspections & the Local Authorities, who enforce the law, don't have the money to appoint inspectors.

The only way that you could do anything is if you had evidence that an owner was committing an act of cruelty. Without access to the premises this is virtually impossible.

So puppy farms can & will carry on as normal for many years to come.

WolfgangWeisen

Discodog wrote: »

So puppy farms can & will carry on as normal for many years to come.

This is the unfortunate truth. So long as there are people out there who want a particular breed and they want it NOW there will be scores of scrupulous individuals out there to fill the demand created.

Most people who "want a dog"
-are doing so on impulse, sparked by something they saw/read very recently or an experience they had.
-want it NOW. The thought that they might not get that husky that looks so like a wolf, so they can be the cool kid amongst their friends, for months just will not do.
-want to pay as little as possible.
-aren't arsed researching the breed they're interested in, its traits, its history, its requirements or its health issues.
-etc.

The demand they create will be met with a supply to fill their needs - this is where the puppy farmers come in. They'll take any two dogs and breed them, then never socialise them or treat them properly and sell them off for comparatively cheap to make the most money for as little work as possible. Those that don't sell, well, nobody likes the reality of that situation.

The same people will feign concern for puppy farms, yet will go online, find the breed they're impulsively seeking, find the cheapest source for it and go buy the dog. Puppy farmers aren't dumb, it's not like they're going to bring you into their sheds full of cages of maltreated puppies. Yet, this is what the so called "concerned" buyers imagine and when they're not met with it, they presume the seller is legit.

And on and on this shall go

Please note, the above isn't having a go at husky owners, it's having a go at those who impulsively scramble for the dog that is "in vogue" and unfortunately huskies are fitting that bill at the moment.

dirtyghettokid

i'm just sickened when i see stuff on a certain site. i got duped before myself, and learned a lesson the hard way. i have seen the same "breeder" under different names, using the same pictures, and selling puppies with the same age, and it's far from the truth. these puppies aren't to description. don't know how these people are allowed to get away with it! is there any point of reporting or not?

Discodog

dirtyghettokid wrote: »

is there any point of reporting or not?

Of course there is. If more people reported these ads the more chance there is of changes being made. The sites can just claim that they don't get complaints so everything is fine.

WolfgangWeisen

Report them to the Gardai and the SPCA's for sure. There is a host of other charges they can be done for.

dirtyghettokid

definitely will do, thanks!

HerbSimpson

If puppy farms were outlawed would people wanting a certain breed of dog not have to wait years and years on a long waiting list as opposed to roughly 6-12 months now ?

Do any other countries have a "Gold Standard" set of rules that Ireland should aspire to ?

Cherry Blossom

HerbSimpson wrote: »

If puppy farms were outlawed would people wanting a certain breed of dog not have to wait years and years on a long waiting list as opposed to roughly 6-12 months now ?

Do any other countries have a "Gold Standard" set of rules that Ireland should aspire to ?

BYBs would have to banned as well and if so most people wouldn't get one at all tbh unless they could demonstrate that they are actually capable and responsible enough to have one - which to be a lot of people aren't. People don't have to wait 6-12 months now, you can basicly find pretty much any breed of dog for sale in this country in less than 30minutes - hence the problem.

Discodog

dirtyghettokid wrote: »

definitely will do, thanks!

Don't be too surprised if you get little response. The Guards will have no interest - it is the Local Authorities who are legally responsible. Until the AWB is passed the SPCA's would only get involved if their is a clear case of cruelty. In reality the conditions have to be horrendous before the SPCA's or Guards will act.

If you suspect that someone is breeding substantial numbers of dogs then report the matter to your LA & find out if they are registered.

dirtyghettokid

Discodog wrote: »

If you suspect that someone is breeding substantial numbers of dogs then report the matter to your LA & find out if they are registered.

the dogs are in wexford & i am in dublin.. so would i report it to wexford LA ?

Discodog

dirtyghettokid wrote: »

the dogs are in wexford & i am in dublin.. so would i report it to wexford LA ?

Yes

ISDW

Also report them to the revenue, you can bet they're not paying tax on all that money they're earning.

Discodog

Just a note on this. Under the new law dog breeders were given six months to register. So anyone wishing to complain about or report a suspect breeder needs to wait until after June 2012.