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Tablet for complete technophobe parent!
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Thanks a lot for the info,
I just saw this handy page actually: http://www.theverge.com/products/compare/2750/2752/3055/2979/159
Quite odd though, Xoom Wifi seems to be better in a few aspects over Xoom 2
Xoom Family is a cheaper version of Xoom Wifi it appears.
To be honest, I think I'll bite the bullet and go get a Xoom Wifi, customise it up a bit and see how it goes. If it's no better or the ipad is preferred, I can pass it on again and maybe lose a tenner or nothing at all, if it's taken to easier, I'll pass on the ipad, but at least I'll have given it a go because I'll never know otherwise if android can indeed suit better in this case
Xoom Wifi also seems to currently run android 3.2 so hopefully I can update it painfree but if not, I'm sure whatever version is on it will be good enough!0 -
To be honest, I think I'll bite the bullet and go get a Xoom Wifi, customise it up a bit and see how it goes. If it's no better or the ipad is preferred, I can pass it on again and maybe lose a tenner or nothing at all, if it's taken to easier, I'll pass on the ipad, but at least I'll have given it a go because I'll never know otherwise if android can indeed suit better in this case
Can you post up your folks experiences after a couple of weeks. I'd say that would be interesting reading.0 -
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I think what he means is that Honeycomb was so reliable that no difference was noticed in upgrading to ICS. I hope that's what was meant anyway as it's definitely a good thing and I'm not sure if the one I'm going to get will have ICS or honecomb. I think stock rom might be best this time. I'd just have fear of too many bugs with a custom rom. Have had enough issues on my desire with custom roms even thought hey had so many more features, but such features won't be used or even noticed by the tablet user 0
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I think what he means is that Honeycomb was so reliable that no difference was noticed in upgrading to ICS. I hope that's what was meant anyway as it's definitely a good thing and I'm not sure if the one I'm going to get will have ICS or honecomb. I think stock rom might be best this time. I'd just have fear of too many bugs with a custom rom. Have had enough issues on my desire with custom roms even thought hey had so many more features, but such features won't be used or even noticed by the tablet user
Sorry yeah, was directing the custom rom suggestion at Mick if he is having issues. Deffo not for consideration in your situation
Edit: Xoom is a nice bit of kit by the way, you wont be disappointed.0 -
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Cool stuff
So if I get a Xoom with Honeycomb, is it easy to update it to ICS or should I wait for the EU roll out?
Its easy enough, you just need to follow a few guides. If you want to do it Ill send you on a few links. Personally I wouldn't bother with it if the tablet is just going to be used for a bit of light browsing etc.
Unlocking the bootloader and instaling a custom rom also voids the warranty, something to bear in mind.
If you were using it yourself Id deffo recommend a custom rom but I don't think it would be of any benefit to your parents to be honest.0 -
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Cool stuff Doesn't seem to be much available in the 2nd hand market at the moment
strange also that the curry's website only has the xoom 2 at 479, but when I was there the last day, the xoom wifi was on display at 349.
Might see if I can get something like this: http://www.argos.ie/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?storeId=10152&catalogId=13352&langId=111&searchTerms=CMT-EH15&authToken= for better sounds and so the oul tapes and CD's can still be played 0 -
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Picked one up today for €275. It's 9 months old, have receipt, it's pretty much immaculate and came with 2 cases and a Kingston 32gb micro SD card, plus I only had to drive 20 minutes to meet them
So I'm now at that stage where I don't really know what I should do first.
I got Go Launcher for tablets and have gotten rid of all screens and bottom menu. Now I just need to find the right apps for music, photos and internet.
Is there a way to rename the icons on the home screen? It currently says "browser" and "gallery", which I'd like to rename "Internet" and "Photos".
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No rename option when I long click I'm afraid, but just found an app called "desktop visualizer" which is allowing me to customise each icon, for example, for photos, I now have a nice photo of the grandchildren taking up a 2x2 tile
Tried downloading Winamp but it keeps saying it needs to force close 0 -
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No rename option when I long click I'm afraid, but just found an app called "desktop visualizer" which is allowing me to customise each icon, for example, for photos, I now have a nice photo of the grandchildren taking up a 2x2 tile(
That's pretty cool. I must have a look at that.
I've Go Launcher Ex on my phone. Is yours the same (does it have Ex in the name?)Tried downloading Winamp but it keeps saying it needs to force close
That's not good. Did you wipe the tablet before putting anything on it?0 -
Previous owner wiped it as far as I know! I have Go Launcher HD, I'm not sure if that's the same? I couldn't figure out a way to put the icon tray on the right like you had it in the screenshot and I can't hide the App drawer or lock the screen so icons can't be moved. Can you do all that in Go Launcher Ex?
Found quickpic earlier after seeing it recommended and it's what I'm using as default now and I've all the album art and other non relevant pictures excluded which is great.
Video won't be too important but thanks for the suggestions
I'm not sure if PLAY was included with mine, I just have "Music" not sure if it's the same, will check out mortplayer too, it's more for playing MP3's rather than internet radio etc. I think as long as it's easy to access photos, mp3's and youtube 0 -
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Think I'll just stick with Go Launcher HD, it's nice enough and I've made it as simple as possible. I don't think the desktop being unlocked will be a problem, but just wanted it as an extra precaution. Maybe it'll come in an update.
Any idea on when I may expect ICS to come? 0 -
Just realised/copped on that there's a micro (not mini) HDMI socket which will allow the xoom to be connected to a TV
Will this only work with newer tv's with HDMI connection, or could it work if I got a micro HDMI to SCART cable if one exists?
Unless it's possible to connect it through a UPC tv box and then from that see it on the tv?0 -
Just realised/copped on that there's a micro (not mini) HDMI socket which will allow the xoom to be connected to a TV
Will this only work with newer tv's with HDMI connection, or could it work if I got a micro HDMI to SCART cable if one exists?
Unless it's possible to connect it through a UPC tv box and then from that see it on the tv?
Its a little messy but it should work from micro HDMI to Scart using this method.
I don't know anything about the UPC tv boxes so cant help you there.
I can confirm that it works very well when connected to a HDMI port on the tv.0 -
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Francie Barrett wrote: »You're best off just paying the extra money and going with the iPad.
And why is that? Did you even read the thread? He has bought a Xoom and is happy with it 0 -
Francie Barrett wrote: »You're best off just paying the extra money and going with the iPad.And why is that? Did you even read the thread? He has bought a Xoom and is happy with it
They also originally had an Ipad.0 -
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Will report back alright but it won't be much of a judgement on which was preferred more, just of which were they able to manage to do something as simple as looking at a photo, listening to a song, looking up an answer etc 0
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Will report back alright but it won't be much of a judgement on which was preferred more, just of which were they able to manage to do something as simple as looking at a photo, listening to a song, looking up an answer etc
That's fine. It's just interesting to see what their experiences are and to see if Android is suited or not to newbie users.0 -
Just discovered a new little problem. In my music folder, I have a few artists who have a "best of" album, now when I go into the artists folder and then go into their best of album, it seems to be mixed with all other tracks from other artists who also have a best of
My tagging is all perfect so it must be the app itself creating the problem based on the tags
Problem explained in more depth here: http://www.xoomforums.com/forum/motorola-xoom-apps/14985-odd-behaviour-default-google-music-app.html
Seems it's unresolved anyway and will require me to re-tag albums, bollocks to that!
I want to keep the music app as it's very simple. I might just re-tag the albums I put on this instead of messing with the albums on my computer, bit of a pain though!0 -
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So I gave this to my mam just yesterday and first impressions unfortunately weren't good... I explained that I got the xoom because I believed it could be made easier and because my brother wasn't supporting the ipad like agreed, I had borrowed the iPad myself for a look and had them both there at the same time. Put them both on the table together and straight away, before either were switched on she said she preferred the iPad and was asking what's the difference. I believe this was solely down to the iPad being in a much nicer leather case than the plastic case the xoom was in. There was also a red case I got with the xoom which she said was horrible, I took them both out of their cases and she didn't mention this anymore.
Because I'd been heavily using the xoom, my finger prints were smudged all over and were easily visible on the unlit screen, the ipad was much cleaner which she noticed straight away (why wasn't I using the ipad as much to give it a good test? Because there's not much at all you can do with it to customise it and I found that out pretty quick). Not looking good so far. She turned the ipad on and couldn't unlock it and was trying to spin it in the right direction while it was flat on the table but was still looking at it sideways trying this and swiping her hand all over the screen. Yes we're talking a complete technophobe here who has difficulty getting past the "slide to unlock" screen
She also said she liked the stock flower photo on the iPad background!
So... I showed her how to turn on the Xoom and how to unlock it, then the home screen appeared and her attitude totally changed. She straight away saw the photo icon of my two nieces and started saying how lovely they looked and what a beautiful photo it was and then saw next to this a photo of her favourite music artists, this was all noticed in the first 3-4 seconds and straight away she touched the photo of my nieces and more photos opened up and straight away she was into another album! So within the first 15 seconds, she's looking at photos of the family all by herself.
As I said, it wasn't really about which she preferred more as she had very little experience of the iPad, but about which she'd actually be able to achieve something as simple (to us) as actually being able to see a photo. She didn't feel comfortable turning the iPad on and being presented with a home screen of confusing names and irrelevant icons but seemed to take to the Xoom straight away. I again need to emphasise just how important the homescreen is for somebody like her. I initially thought I'd be having just a handful of standard sized icons or mayyybe a widget if it suited on the Xoom. Desktop Visualiser made things much clearer and easier and just having this photo of the nieces makes all the difference. She loves looking at photos and seeing a beautiful photo of them from the get go makes this so much more obvious and attractive.
I showed her how the buttons worked, back and home, ignored the rest for now. They were easy enough for her to pick up and being the technophobe she is, pressed with her thumb the way you may press the button for an elevator lightly, closer to the bottom of the knuckle than the tip of the nail, so might require a second push if she misses the first time So back to the home screen she went and again, straight into music herself after clicking the photo of her beloved Joan Baez and starts scrolling through the artists very excited about all the music she loves and new music she's not familiar with. It's not long before there's a track playing and I show her how she can just press home and then go back into photos and browse while the music is playing, then I showed her how she can pause or skip playback from the homescreen itself. All of this was followed pretty easily and I didn't really need to intervene much at all, other than showing her things like pinching to zoom, swiping to change photo, and changing the volume at the side.
Within a few minutes, she was asking how much the iPad would sell for :P
I had to go upstairs for a few minutes and when I came back down she was still sitting in front of it looking at things by herself, where with other such things before, she may have got up to do other things in the house until I came back down. I showed her the unobtrusive but obvious email widget and how she'd know if a new mail arrived and a few other things that we'll explore a bit more once she gets used to the more basic functions. But for now, I'm very pleased with how she took to it and it's going to be easier to explain things and much easier for me to keep it new and exciting for her by popping on new music, photos etc.0 -
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I think there is a large amount of what would be called "experimental bias" in this scenario.
1) You showed her how to use the Xoom, but not the iPad.
Remember, from the moment the homescreen came up, she did everything herself and was looking at photos within 15 seconds. I didn't intervene at all for her to do this. When she first saw the homescreen of the ipad she was confused and didn't know what to do. I showed her what buttons did etc after this initial introduction. Her first impression is extremely important, it will either scare her away from wanting to use it or not. The results speak for themselves.
2) You customised the Xoom, but not the iPad (stock photos Vs personalised photos)
From the examples of customisation shown in this thread, which I'm grateful for the efforts of the posters of course, I just don't think it's enough of a customisation to have the same effect the customisation I was capable of doing with the Xoom had.
3) You modified the Xoom extensively to show her things you thought would be relevant to her, you left the iPad stock.
Again, what else could I have done with the iPad? I'm not familiar with it and was asking for advice. I see I can change icons, remove icons from the homescreen, change the names of them etc. This was a step forward but again nothing compared to what can be done with the Xoom homescreen. The importance of the homescreen is significant.
It's great that she is getting on with the Xoom, you can support it, etc (although I think you are being a bit belligerent and dismissive of the iPad, just because you personally prefer Android, it's an easy device to "support"). Personally I think you underestimate your parents, sure they may be that bit older but that does not make them technophobes, just uneducated. Im sure they manage newfangled technology like SaorView / Sky just fine.
The intended user is the very definition of technophobe. I took the following photo once I stopped laughing after my mam asked me was the ipad charged:
When we got a desktop years ago and she thought it would run out of ink if you typed enough and then, a few years later, when I got my own laptop she asked can you print things off them and where do you put the paper.
I would politely suggest that you are, in fact, the technophobe, you have written-off an entire eco-system, just because it is not for you based on trendy buzz words such as "iTunes PoS", "crapple" and so on. There is nothing out there like iTunes (although DoubleTwist does come close) in terms of functionality. As much as i love my Galaxy Nexus syncing data is a complete pain compared to my iPad, which I set up once and it looks after everything else, removing TV shoes when they have been watched on any device, adding new ones, etc. Drag and drop on Android is great, but is a poor substitute for a proper media sync, unless you get all your media from Google play, but I dont.
I'm sorry but I'd disagree. I'm very aware of iTunes and what it is capable of. I've been a heavy user of MP3 technology for years. Have had many devices from Soul MP3 Discman, to the Rio PMP300, to iRiver H140, to H340. My current MP3 player is a 240gb ipod running rockbox. All the best devices of their time. I imported and sold MP3 players and all my music is managed in a way that can only be described as OCD. Watching my brother put the initial files on the iPad was painful to watch, even himself, who changed from PC to mac was getting frustrated with it's inabilities. Drag and drop is, for me, the best way any device can be managed. Synching may make things less hassle but is not without its flaws and these flaws I'm not prepared to put up with when drag and drop is available.
Please don't advertise this scenario as definitive. The only thing "proven" is that a system modified to suit the users needs combined with some training is easier to use than one that is not.
Yes, a system modified to suit ones needs is easier to use and I believe Android can be modified in away that allows it to be far easier0 -
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