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Power Pc G5 mod and new build
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10-04-2012 10:41pm#1
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Best of luck with the build, just a few things of note:
What type of work are you using After Effects for ? I dont think theres a need for a quadro card in after effects, you could spend the money of a gaming card without sacrificing performance in the program, especially as you mention gaming as being one of the uses for the computer, quadro's are useless in this regard.
Any particular reason you picked the sabertooth ? Not saying yer wrong here, but you could also go for the p9x79 pro, little bit less expensive, and i dont think your really losing out on anything ? Also the sabertooth has a fan on the motherboard itself, while this can be good cause it keeps temps down, its another moving part that could possibly break on the motherboard. On the other side of things the sabertooth has a 5 year warranty i believe whereas the p9x79 only has 3. So again not saying yer wrong, but personally i like as little moving parts as possible.
The Intel 520 is quite new, probably too new to see if there's much longevity problems with it. The samsung 830 series is cheaper and has been around long enough for it to be tested more. There is also the Mushkin Chronos which is very good. In fact at the aria site you link above they have a special offer for a 240GB Mushkin Chronos for €204 which is fantastic value
I think you'd be mad to spend that much on a 24 when you can grab the 27 for basically the same price (again this is personal choice though, and will be more suited to what you can fit in your work space). That is unless you need some of the connectivity the dell offers, as the catleap is short in that department
Since you have the money to spend the 3930k is a very nice card (have 1 myself
) but are you sure you need it ? The i7 2600 and 2700 are quite good as well (and for gaming the 3930k is overkill). If you do end up getting the 3930k i can tell u the h100 is fantastic with it 
You can't really use a quadro and a geforce side by side (i say cant really - there are some methods such as flashing the bios' but thats pretty dangerous, or you can dual boot windows with drivers for quadro on one install and drivers for geforce on the other or you can also do certain driver hacks but none are really worth it and all are pretty dam time consuming
Heh, just noticed your not buying till june, prices will have changed and new hardware will be out/about to be out so things will most likely have changed, i'm still posting this cause it took a while to write though :P0 -
Best of luck with the build, just a few things of note:
What type of work are you using After Effects for ? I dont think theres a need for a quadro card in after effects, you could spend the money of a gaming card without sacrificing performance in the program, especially as you mention gaming as being one of the uses for the computer, quadro's are useless in this regard.
Any particular reason you picked the sabertooth ? Not saying yer wrong here, but you could also go for the p9x79 pro, little bit less expensive, and i dont think your really losing out on anything ? Also the sabertooth has a fan on the motherboard itself, while this can be good cause it keeps temps down, its another moving part that could possibly break on the motherboard. On the other side of things the sabertooth has a 5 year warranty i believe whereas the p9x79 only has 3. So again not saying yer wrong, but personally i like as little moving parts as possible.
The Intel 520 is quite new, probably too new to see if there's much longevity problems with it. The samsung 830 series is cheaper and has been around long enough for it to be tested more. There is also the Mushkin Chronos which is very good. In fact at the aria site you link above they have a special offer for a 240GB Mushkin Chronos for €204 which is fantastic value
I think you'd be mad to spend that much on a 24 when you can grab the 27 for basically the same price (again this is personal choice though, and will be more suited to what you can fit in your work space). That is unless you need some of the connectivity the dell offers, as the catleap is short in that department
Since you have the money to spend the 3930k is a very nice card (have 1 myself ) but are you sure you need it ? The i7 2600 and 2700 are quite good as well (and for gaming the 3930k is overkill). If you do end up getting the 3930k i can tell u the h100 is fantastic with it
You can't really use a quadro and a geforce side by side (i say cant really - there are some methods such as flashing the bios' but thats pretty dangerous, or you can dual boot windows with drivers for quadro on one install and drivers for geforce on the other or you can also do certain driver hacks but none are really worth it and all are pretty dam time consuming
Heh, just noticed your not buying till june, prices will have changed and new hardware will be out/about to be out so things will most likely have changed, i'm still posting this cause it took a while to write though :P
Yeah I'm sure with the massive upgrade this cpu will be over what I have now, a geforce with be more than enough to make after effects be as smooth as I need it.
Sabertooth has only Digital 8+2 power phase but it uses better chokes, caps and mosfets in the power design to compensate, meaning 24/7 overclock degradation will be far less of an issue than with a pro. Also the 2 extra years warranty is nice.
Mushkin chronos is a non contender for me, the choice was basically down to the 520 or the corsair force 3, and the 520 has got nothing but great reviews whereas there have been mixed ones for the corsair. I've based choosing my ssd on their IOPS performance, rather than read/write speed which would suggest that the chronos was a clear winner due to giving the 'same' performance for a much lower price.
The thing about the dell vs catleap is that I can always return the dell if there's a problem, and from the reviews I've seen of that dell monitor it boasts very consistent colour reproduction which is something I really want. The catleap would also work out to be a little bit more expensive with the risk of it arriving with deadpixels and there's pretty much nothing I could do then. In an ideal world I would get a dell 27inch but at their current price there's just no chance. I'm also going from an apple 22" cinema display from ~6 years ago(@1680x1050) so the 24' will feel far too big, a 27in would be a ridiculous step up :P
I'm definitely going to need the 3930k(or the 990x -> 2600k replacement if that's there in June), 90% of this computers use is going to be photoshop and video editing. The gaming is an afterthought, really, and I just listed it as I was wondering about the whole quadro thing.
Thanks for helping, I know it's not for a long time but I'm getting excited about it already. 0 -
the p9x79 deluxe has 16 + 4 + 2 + 2 power phase if your interested, bit more expensive than the sabertooth, but kinda combines the best of both worlds, still if your happy with the sabertooth im not telling u not to go for it, just more things to think on
I'm dubious of the 520 series since it's initial delays and then introduction with no seeming announcement (maybe i just missed it or it was small though, and again this is just personal feelings, not grounded in any factual data )
I'm not an audiophile so our interests may differ but the onboard sound on the asus x79 boards is quite good, do you need that sound card ?
If you do a lot of after effects work, and depending on the type of work, it might also be worth throwing in a bit more RAM
Heh, i know how ya feel, as soon as you make the decision to upgrade its hard not to keep speccing parts 0 -
the p9x79 deluxe has 16 + 4 + 2 + 2 power phase if your interested, bit more expensive than the sabertooth, but kinda combines the best of both worlds, still if your happy with the sabertooth im not telling u not to go for it, just more things to think on
I'm dubious of the 520 series since it's initial delays and then introduction with no seeming announcement (maybe i just missed it or it was small though, and again this is just personal feelings, not grounded in any factual data )
I'm not an audiophile so our interests may differ but the onboard sound on the asus x79 boards is quite good, do you need that sound card ?
If you do a lot of after effects work, and depending on the type of work, it might also be worth throwing in a bit more RAM
Heh, i know how ya feel, as soon as you make the decision to upgrade its hard not to keep speccing parts
Since you've mentioned the little fan on the sabertooth I'm starting to dislike it. A lot..
The 520 has some really consistent benchmark results. a 240gb 'lower' end ssd for around the same price may actually perform better, though, I still don't understand but 240gb ssds always outperform 120s 60s and 400+s (I'll find out some day!). But I'm pretty much just choosing based on 4-5 independent benchmarks of all of the main ssd contenders.
Long and short of needing the sound card is yes I do :P Although I may choose to get a usb DAC so I can use it with my laptop also. When I get a harder to drive set of cans the Xonar would come in handy as it has a headphone amp that drives upto 150ohms IIRC. Currently just have a pair of Audio technica ath M50s which are only 37ohm so onboard could drive really easily. I may end up just trying the onboard audio and if needs be get something in the future < That is what I shall do. Yeah I've never dealt with anything near 16gb ram let alone 32 so it's hard to gauge what I'll need. 2 8gb sticks may be a better choice to leave me lots and lots of headroom to expand in the future if I need. But that does throw timings and speed out of the window. But realistically I won't notice the difference outside of benchmarks. I've been just trying to hold back from making this thread for a few weeks and I gave into temptation last night. :P
Thanks for helping, and saving me from the noise of a 1 inch fan on my southbridge! 0 -
hehe your actually building a very similar computer to my own so it's much easier to see where your coming from
I'm running 32gb ram myself, and have come close to maxing it out on a few diff occasions, but they have all been inside 3d programs with dynamics and high res texturing. I'm not compositing very much these days so havent really pushed after effects, but that program eats ram like no other, and depending on your work it could be beneficial to have that extra ram. 8 gig sticks will indeed provide ya with more room for expansion, but by the time you need to upgrade to a 64gb setup ..... will you even be using the same ram sticks ? also the ram u linked earlier comes to ~€150 ... you can pick up 32gb in 8 x 4gb sticks for less that €20 more, or in 4 x 8gb sticks for a little more than €200 over at hardwareversand so if you decide to go down that road, its not that much more expensive0 -
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