Ireland Tour to New Zealand 2012 Discussion thread

totallegend

Kilkenny14 wrote: »

Kidney's selections always seem to lacking in some department, but the injury situation hasn't helped him, so I have sympathy for him.

Overall, I am glad I couldn't go to the first test in Auckland like I planned; it's looking very dodgy right now.

Yes there have been injuries but the reason they're hitting us so hard is that Kidney has refused to engage in any sort of squad development, so we just don't know if a lot of these guys are up to it.

Are you in NZ? Are people taking Ireland seriously at all?

sydthebeat

dtpc191991 wrote: »

I'd say Kearney is even with Dagg and to be honest if BOD keeps playing the way he did in the HC we will have to upper hand on them at 13.

trouble is.. ABs are NOT going to be launching high balls into kearney... they will play everything through the middle.

And as much as BOD is a rugby genius, i think its a very tough ask for him and darcy to front up against bigger stronger guys, whomever it will be.. .SBW, Smith, Ellison, Nonu.,..

its on the wings though where i fear most damage will be done.

bossa_nova

Kilkenny14 wrote: »

Kidney's selections always seem to lacking in some department, but the injury situation hasn't helped him, so I have sympathy for him.

Overall, I am glad I couldn't go to the first test in Auckland like I planned; it's looking very dodgy right now.

I wouldn't have any sympathy for him at all, its his fault that he hasn't made the appropriate steps to have reliable cover for injury's, i mean now with POC out DOC is a certain starter for the "experience" and its a farce that the the two lock behind him who have been playing much better than DOC for the last 2 seasons have only 20 caps between them and only 5 starts. He has no back up at 12 ignored the TH problem when he found Ross and didnt bother his hole to make sure he didnt have another John Hayes situation, was forced to make a 13 out of a winger after BOD was injured

The worst thing about this whole tour is that it would have been about the best time to try push a win against ABs and if we do win a test, then i fear kidney will get another contract extension

Sham Courtney

We have got a hope in hell of winning any of the tests, ABs are too strong even with new faces in the their squad!

Kayless

Sham Courtney wrote: »

We have got a hope in hell of winning any of the tests, ABs are too strong even with new faces in the their squad!

thank god... I don't think we could stick kidney for another 4 years

Fishooks12

Kayless wrote: »

thank god... I don't think we could stick kidney for another 4 years

As much as I don't want Kidney to stay, I'd give my left nut for a win against those cocky kiwi's

The last thing I want to do is become a fan that wants to see his team lose, regardless of the supposed long term benefits I'll be shouting for Ireland

profitius

Sham Courtney wrote: »

We have got a hope in hell of winning any of the tests, ABs are too strong even with new faces in the their squad!

Those mythical gods are unstoppable!

maddragon

Fishooks12 wrote: »

As much as I don't want Kidney to stay, I'd give my left nut for a win against those cocky kiwi's

The last thing I want to do is become a fan that wants to see his team lose, regardless of the supposed long term benefits I'll be shouting for Ireland

That's the bottom line. I'ld give a Kidney to see Ireland beat the ABs. Still it's an ill wind that blows no good so if we do get hockeyed, the IRFU may be forced to make some changes.

totallegend

maddragon wrote: »

That's the bottom line. I'd give a Kidney to see Ireland beat the ABs. Still it's an ill wind that blows no good so if we do get hockeyed, the IRFU may be forced to make some changes.

Boom boom. Nice one.

bilston

maddragon wrote: »

That's the bottom line. I'ld give a Kidney to see Ireland beat the ABs. Still it's an ill wind that blows no good so if we do get hockeyed, the IRFU may be forced to make some changes.

I think it would take a right pasting though. Three 10-20 point defeats wouldn't force the IRFU's hand, in a couple of 10-20 point defeats and a 40 point defeat probably wouldn't do for Kindey either, I think it would take 3 serious beatings in the 40+ scale for the IRFU to do anything or to even consider it. Personally I don't think Deccie can take us any further and I think a change would do us good but at the same time I don't wish for three heavy beatings either. And in fairness if we do beat NZ then Kidney will deserve a lot of credit.

Podge_irl

bilston wrote: »

And in fairness if we do beat NZ then Kidney will deserve a lot of credit.

I'd still want him gone though.

Considering how little is left of his contract, I can't see them going to the expense of cancelling it early regardless of performance.

totallegend

bilston wrote: »

I think it would take a right pasting though. Three 10-20 point defeats wouldn't force the IRFU's hand, in a couple of 10-20 point defeats and a 40 point defeat probably wouldn't do for Kindey either, I think it would take 3 serious beatings in the 40+ scale for the IRFU to do anything or to even consider it. Personally I don't think Deccie can take us any further and I think a change would do us good but at the same time I don't wish for three heavy beatings either. And in fairness if we do beat NZ then Kidney will deserve a lot of credit.

Agree on both.

Kidney's first games in charge were Autumn 2008 when we were struggling to hold on to eighth place in the rankings to get second seeding for the RWC. Now here we are, four years later and where are we? The Grand Slam was great but in the overall scheme of things, how have we progressed?

That said, a win against NZ would take all the pressure off in terms of rankings and would be a massive credit in Kidney's account.

Podge_irl

Podge_irl wrote: »

I'd still want him gone though.

Considering how little is left of his contract, I can't see them going to the expense of cancelling it early regardless of performance.

not little enough imo

http://www.kidneyclock.net/

Fishooks12

totallegend wrote: »

Agree on both.

Kidney's first games in charge were Autumn 2008 when we were struggling to hold on to eighth place in the rankings to get second seeding for the RWC. Now here we are, four years later and where are we? The Grand Slam was great but in the overall scheme of things, how have we progressed?

That said, a win against NZ would take all the pressure off in terms of rankings and would be a massive credit in Kidney's account.

He does on rare occasion (Australia and Italy in the WC) execute a gameplan to perfection

Fishooks12

Fishooks12 wrote: »

He does on rare occasion (Australia and Italy in the WC) execute a gameplan to perfection

they're unfortunately the exceptions that hammer home the rule.

wrt the Italy gameplan, it's the same one we've used for 12+ years against them.

Battle for 60, run for 20.

Kayless

I would rather walk into the next world cup with: THE form players, playing each position, strength in depth (prop,centre) a smart coach such as Gatland or Schmitt and most of all no provisional basis

If Kidney wins even one of those match's the IRFU will extend his contract, guess who'll then be leading us to the next RWC to get hammered again by Wales. :eek:

twinytwo

sydthebeat wrote: »

trouble is.. ABs are NOT going to be launching high balls into kearney... they will play everything through the middle.

And as much as BOD is a rugby genius, i think its a very tough ask for him and darcy to front up against bigger stronger guys, whomever it will be.. .SBW, Smith, Ellison, Nonu.,..

its on the wings though where i fear most damage will be done.

what ever about darcy, drico has been stopping bigger, faster guys in their tracks for years, sure he misses a tackle every now and again. I promise they fear him more that he does them.

BoardsMember

Deleted User wrote: »

they're unfortunately the exceptions that hammer home the rule.

wrt the Italy gameplan, it's the same one we've used for 12+ years against them.

Battle for 60, run for 20.

Completely, and ignores our better players to play it safe. Yawn.

Fishooks12

BOD is still the best defensive 13 in the world for me

His opposite number in NZ is probably the second best

Both of them under 6ft and pretty light

JRant

Fishooks12 wrote: »

BOD is still the best defensive 13 in the world for me

His opposite number in NZ is probably the second best

Both of them under 6ft and pretty light

I'd have them the other way round myself. Smith is the best 13 in the business and injuries have held Drico back the past 12/18 months.

.ak

JRant wrote: »

I'd have them the other way round myself. Smith is the best 13 in the business and injuries have held Drico back the past 12/18 months.

Fishooks said BOD is the best defensive 13. Do you think Conrad is better in that field?

ray jay

Kayless wrote: »

If Kidney wins even one of those match's the IRFU will extend his contract, guess who'll then be leading us to the next RWC to get hammered again by Wales. :eek:

Not if we have another mediocre 6 Nations. Not that many people are going to be watching the tests against the All Blacks compared to the number who tune in for the 6 Nations. Finally getting a win against NZ would be great, but finishing 3rd or worse in March will have far more bearing on Kidney's future.

Raisins

I agree if we win a single one of these tests Kidney will have Thornley and Co. in his back pocket for at least and 12 months no matter what happens in the 6 nations.

I_smell_fear

Searched the last few pages but couldn't find anything.

What channel(s) is the match tomorrow shown on?

ormond lad

I_smell_fear wrote: »

Searched the last few pages but couldn't find anything.

What channel(s) is the match tomorrow shown on?

Irelands first game is not until tomorrow week

Kayless

Yeah I would love to see us beat the All blacks (for the love of god, who wouldn't?) but I fear if we get lucky and do beat them, we'll end up stuck with kidney for another 4 years or so...

monkey90

Kayless wrote: »

If Kidney wins even one of those match's the IRFU will extend his contract, guess who'll then be leading us to the next RWC to get hammered again by Wales. :eek:

Where on earth is the sudden optimism coming from? There's absolutely no hope of us winning any of the three tests! We'll be slaughtered in tests 2 + 3 and probably lose by about 10-15 points in the 1st test

Scioch

I think we will be well beaten in all three tests. Just hope a few of the players can stay on the pitch this time to avoid a complete embarrassment.

lynchy101

twinytwo wrote: »

what ever about darcy, drico has been stopping bigger, faster guys in their tracks for years, sure he misses a tackle every now and again. I promise they fear him more that he does them.

Simply not true.

Not 1 NZ player fears BOD.

Why would they?

thomond2006

lynchy101 wrote: »

Simply not true.

Not 1 NZ player fears BOD.

Why would they?

Can you quote that from Nonu, Smith and SBW?