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Ireland Tour to New Zealand 2012 Discussion thread

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    #2162
    Fishooks12
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Sexton injured?

    Paddy Wallace brought out no doubt!

    He's got a niggle. Healy is 50-50 to make the next game

    From what I've seen of Healy lately it looks apparent that he's not fully fit, it doesn't effect his performance but the guy could end up with a long term injury very easily


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    #2163
    CatFromHue
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    Confirming that Sexton trained yesterday afternoon, Ireland manager Mick Kearney said: “He did feel a bit of tightness in it (during warm-up) but it was fine and he wouldn’t have come off as a precaution – that would have been a tactical substitution.”

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0612/1224317754534.html

    I don't think Sexton is a doubt yet.


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    #2164
    thomond2006
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    The thought of ROG starting is terrifying...


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    #2165
    GerM
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    The thought that it's confirmed ROG was seen as a tactical move to chase the game against NZ is equally terrifying!


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    #2166
    Judgement Day
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    The thought of ROG starting is terrifying...

    Eaten bread is soon forgotten. :D

    C'mon you boys in Green (+ Black)


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    #2167
    chippers
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    jacothelad wrote: »
    He probably would make a good full back. At the moment he isn't one. being a full back isn't excessively different from being a wing these days. Kearney is a fantastic full back and when he learns to pass after a great break he'll be even...err...fantasticer.

    They are very different positions. Playing fullback is a specialist position - it requires specific qualities that are often only mastered after years of experience in the position.


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    #2168
    ScareGilly
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    Ardillaun wrote: »
    Zebo has earned another start and Trimble should be on the right wing to see if he can offer a little more resistance.

    I'm sorry, what? :confused: Nothing I saw in that game said that to me..


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    #2169
    Fishooks12
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    ScareGilly wrote: »
    I'm sorry, what? :confused: Nothing I saw in that game said that to me..

    He made our only line break of the entire game and was a lot more defensively secure than McFadden


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    #2170
    Tox56
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    He made our only line break of the entire game and was a lot more defensively secure than McFadden

    From what I saw he was all over the place defensively.


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    #2171
    Fishooks12
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    Tox56 wrote: »
    From what I saw he was all over the place defensively.

    Looked more composed than McFadden tbh. Although that wouldn't be hard. If it was a decision between starting McFadden and Zebo based on the last test you'd have to go with Zebo


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    #2172
    molloyjh
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Tox56 wrote: »
    From what I saw he was all over the place defensively.

    Looked more composed than McFadden tbh. Although that wouldn't be hard. If it was a decision between starting McFadden and Zebo based on the last test you'd have to go with Zebo

    I'd agree, but only because very little was ultimately asked of him. He didn't play his way out of the squad, but didn't do a whole lot to say he earned it for next week either. I'd like to see more of him for that reason alone, i.e. we still haven't seen enough to form an opinion.


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    #2173
    JRant
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    molloyjh wrote: »
    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Tox56 wrote: »
    From what I saw he was all over the place defensively.

    Looked more composed than McFadden tbh. Although that wouldn't be hard. If it was a decision between starting McFadden and Zebo based on the last test you'd have to go with Zebo

    I'd agree, but only because very little was ultimately asked of him. He didn't play his way out of the squad, but didn't do a whole lot to say he earned it for next week either. I'd like to see more of him for that reason alone, i.e. we still haven't seen enough to form an opinion.

    Good point, I'd also like to see Touhy given another crack for the same reason. He was solid but unspectacular and will take a few games to get up to test level pace. I think himself and Ryan could really form an excellent partnership going forward. Mind you knowing how DK works that sort of logic only applies to certain players.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #2174
    Fishooks12
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    JRant wrote: »
    Good point, I'd also like to see Touhy given another crack for the same reason. He was solid but unspectacular and will take a few games to get up to test level pace. I think himself and Ryan could really form an excellent partnership going forward. Mind you knowing how DK works that sort of logic only applies to certain players.

    Tuohy looked out of his depth being honest. But he deserves another shot to get up to speed


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    #2175
    Podge_irl
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    Wouldn't be the first player to struggle in his first start at international level. Better to look off the pace in your 2nd cap then your 82nd. Also, he looked great two years ago against NZ so definitely deserves another shot.


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    #2176
    RoundBox11
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Tuohy looked out of his depth being honest. But he deserves another shot to get up to speed


    It was the same when Sean O'Brien broke onto the scene, even after playing out of his skin for Leinster. I remember against Samoa he was anonymous. Once he got acclimatized to test level rugby tho he took off. Hopefully it will be a similar situation with Tuohy.


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    #2177
    Swiwi
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    NZ media reporting Nonu picked ahead of SBW for 2nd test...


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    #2178
    JRant
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    JRant wrote: »
    Good point, I'd also like to see Touhy given another crack for the same reason. He was solid but unspectacular and will take a few games to get up to test level pace. I think himself and Ryan could really form an excellent partnership going forward. Mind you knowing how DK works that sort of logic only applies to certain players.

    Tuohy looked out of his depth being honest. But he deserves another shot to get up to speed

    Out of his depth is a little harsh I must say. Sure he had a quiet game, could have been down to nerves but in all fairness the lineout functioned pretty well and we certainly didn't get mauled in the scrum so he must of being doing something right. A bit more game time in the green jersey will do him the power of good and would mean if used correctly we would actually have a couple of options in the second row.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #2179
    .ak
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    Swiwi wrote: »
    NZ media reporting Nonu picked ahead of SBW for 2nd test...

    That's interesting considering how Hansen said he rated SBW. Maybe he's realized we're absolute walk overs and he can risk playing more out of form players to see what they're like.

    For the record, I think Nonu is the better 12, but he hasn't been on singing from, and I do enjoy watching SBW play...


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    #2180
    its_phil
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    I'd say the Nonu selection is rotation more than anything else. They were never going to play the same XV over 3 games. Is there anymore changes?


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    #2181
    Klunk_NZ
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    Nonu will find form playing outside of Carter and inside of Conrad.
    Who couldn't?


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    #2182
    Ardillaun
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    ScareGilly wrote: »
    I'm sorry, what? :confused: Nothing I saw in that game said that to me..


    I made two statements there so I guess the Zebo one is what you're questioning. You're not saying that Trimble doesn't deserve a chance after our 'efforts' in that position, surely?

    Granted, Zebo was fortunate the traffic went towards the other wing. He missed a last gasp tackle, charging over from his wing to the other and I've seen him do that before but I wouldn't take HUGE marks off for that. I still believe he's got something special in attack that could create space for the centres as well.

    I'd like to have seen Downey on this tour. I guess his time has come and gone now. To start the second horror show, I'd prefer a Leinster backline apart from the wings.


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    #2183
    Swiwi
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    Ardillaun wrote: »
    I made two statements there so I guess the Zebo one is what you're questioning. You're not saying that Trimble doesn't deserve a chance after our 'efforts' in that position, surely?

    Granted, Zebo was fortunate the traffic went towards the other wing. He missed a last gasp tackle, charging over from his wing to the other and I've seen him do that before but I wouldn't take HUGE marks off for that. I still believe he's got something special in attack that could create space for the centres as well.

    I'd like to have seen Downey on this tour. I guess his time has come and gone now. To start the second horror show, I'd prefer a Leinster backline apart from the wings.
    .ak wrote: »
    That's interesting considering how Hansen said he rated SBW. Maybe he's realized we're absolute walk overs and he can risk playing more out of form players to see what they're like.

    For the record, I think Nonu is the better 12, but he hasn't been on singing from, and I do enjoy watching SBW play...

    Agree that currently Nonu is the better player...but SBW probably has more potential...just needs to learn to play rugby like a rugbyplayer and not a converted leaguie. But already he is much better than last season.


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    #2184
    Swiwi
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    its_phil wrote: »
    I'd say the Nonu selection is rotation more than anything else. They were never going to play the same XV over 3 games. Is there anymore changes?

    No official team sheet yet, but Thomson will replace the injured Vito, with Cane coming into the reserves. I would like to see Gear reaplce Guildford, but I don't think that will happen.


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    #2185
    Judgement Day
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    Hope the Nonu reports are correct and that he finds some of his old scintillating form. :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y05M1wjy1JE


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    #2186
    DeDoc
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    RoundBox11 wrote: »
    It was the same when Sean O'Brien broke onto the scene, even after playing out of his skin for Leinster. I remember against Samoa he was anonymous. Once he got acclimatized to test level rugby tho he took off. Hopefully it will be a similar situation with Tuohy.

    to be fair to O'Brien (and Tuohy to a lesser extent) - I think you have to factor in the coaching/team style of play. We played pretty stupid rugby in that Samoa game where we made no effort at all to use O'Brien effectively - i.e. running from deep and late on multiphase ball - almost all the ball he was given was slow pop ball as a one-out runner from poor rucks :(

    I didn't think Tuohy had the disaster of a game that some people seem to be implying - it was certainly not a good game, but I think it was more a case of not making a real impact as opposed to be outright bad.


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    #2187
    irishbucsfan
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    I remember at one point McCaw carried the ball into Tuohy and was smashed backwards. It might just be that Tuohy needs to find his role in the pack.


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    #2188
    Tox56
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    I do remember Tuohy starting well and making some strong carries, but he faded second half, hopefully he just needs to get used to this level.


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    #2189
    smurphy29
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    This was Tuohy's first start in a test match. Against New Zealand. No doubt the pace was a lot higher than what he's used to for Ulster. Of course he'll take a few games to acclimatise. He's a quality player who'll do well at this level, and at 26, he's got years ahead of him. Give the man a chance.


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    #2190
    liammur
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    smurphy29 wrote: »
    This was Tuohy's first start in a test match. Against New Zealand. No doubt the pace was a lot higher than what he's used to for Ulster. Of course he'll take a few games to acclimatise. He's a quality player who'll do well at this level, and at 26, he's got years ahead of him. Give the man a chance.

    Exactly. No tougher place to go. Will Ireland stay within the 23 point handicap, that's the difference in class we're talking about here.


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    #2191
    bilston
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    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Tuohy looked out of his depth being honest. But he deserves another shot to get up to speed

    I thought he was anonymous rather than out of his depth. To be honest I don't think you can say someone is out of their depth until they've had at least 5 or 6 caps. Someone tried to tell me elsewhere that Cave was clearly out of his depth on Saturday on the basis on 7 minutes of rugby!

    I think we're all becoming increasingly difficult to please!


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