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Garda ANPR check for the NCT ?

  • 12-04-2012 1:47pm
    #1
    islandseye
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭


    I was wondering if anyone knows if the ANPR system used by the Garda vehicles checks for the NCT? I know it deffo does for Tax and Insurance.

    I've had a read through the threads on ANPR, and they are dated at this stage, any up to date info re NCT would be most appreciated.


Comments

  • #2
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,935 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    No it doesn't check for nct.


  • #3
    Jarren
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭Jarren


    http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=106&Lang=1


  • #4
    pcardin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Jarren wrote: »
    http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=106&Lang=1

    so the tax will be the only one that can be detected? :confused:


  • #5
    cadaliac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    Isn't there something about data protection in relation to insurance details when it comes to the ANPR system?
    It does seem like a half arsed job with just the tax details available when checking plates.....


  • #6
    pippip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭pippip


    They do know if there is insurance but not the specific details.


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  • #7
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Based on what is entered on the tax renewal form. So highly accurate. Not!


  • #8
    mb1725
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭mb1725


    Garda Pulse has access to tax, insurance and nct details. I've a brother-in-law in the force and he told me that ANPR data can be downloaded on to a memory stick and checked back at the station later. I presume they would put a 'marker' on offending reg plates for the future.


  • #9
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    mb1725 wrote: »
    Garda Pulse has access to tax, insurance and nct details. I've a brother-in-law in the force and he told me that ANPR data can be downloaded on to a memory stick and checked back at the station later. I presume they would put a 'marker' on offending reg plates for the future.
    But how accurate is this information?


  • #10
    griffin100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭griffin100


    The system has access to insurer policy databases via the RSA. We have to provide a list of all of our fleet vehicles registrations to the RSA on an ongoing basis as we have an open fleet policy so the regs of insured vehicles are not listed on the policy. If we didn't our vehicles would be flagged as uninsured by ANPR cameras and our drivers would be pulled over - or at least that is what we have been told.


  • #11
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    The RSA has nowt to do with insurance.


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  • #12
    milltown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭milltown


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    The RSA has nowt to do with insurance.

    Royal Sun Alliance?


  • #13
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    milltown wrote: »
    Royal Sun Alliance?
    No, the society for the protection of Gay Byrne.


  • #14
    griffin100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭griffin100


    My mistake, it's not the RSA we register with. Its something called the National Fleet Database - http://www.nfd.ie/


  • #15
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    From what i've heard it just checks for tax, and to tax a car you have to have...?


  • #16
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    Limerick man wrote: »
    From what i've heard it just checks for tax, and to tax a car you have to have...?

    Not if you are just renewing your tax online....


  • #17
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Who knows if the Gardaí have any access to these databases?


  • #18
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Oral Surgeon wrote: »
    Not if you are just renewing your tax online....
    Yes, it will accept any made up insurance details.


  • #19
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Yes, it will accept any made up insurance details.

    But that's fraud :O


  • #20
    TMC99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭TMC99


    griffin100 wrote: »
    My mistake, it's not the RSA we register with. Its something called the National Fleet Database - http://www.nfd.ie/

    First time I've seen that - it looks a strange website, no contact details, nothing to say who has access to the data, nothing to indicate if its a government site, insurance brokers site, nothing about data protection etc.


  • #21
    cup of tea
    Registered Users Posts: 751 ✭✭✭cup of tea


    TMC99 wrote: »
    First time I've seen that - it looks a strange website, no contact details, nothing to say who has access to the data, nothing to indicate if its a government site, insurance brokers site, nothing about data protection etc.

    The various Insurance companies that insure fleets, send these letters to the brokers to forward on to their clients or send them direct, asking them to reg their veh's. I'm not too sure of much else.


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  • #22
    mb1725
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,381 ✭✭✭mb1725


    nfd.ie domain ownership details:

    domain: nfd.ie
    descr: Irish Insurance Federation
    descr: Unincorporated Association
    descr: Discretionary Name
    admin-c: AMC830-IEDR
    tech-c: AAM456-IEDR
    renewal: 07-December-2012
    status: Active
    nserver: ns1.blacknight.com
    nserver: ns2.blacknight.com
    source: IEDR

    person: Niall Doyle
    nic-hdl: AMC830-IEDR
    source: IEDR

    person: Blacknight.ie Hostmaster
    nic-hdl: AAM456-IEDR
    source: IEDR


  • #23
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,066 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    Turner wrote: »
    No it doesn't check for nct.

    That's bad.
    I would way prefer if they checked for NCT instead of TAX.


  • #24
    Oral Surgeon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭Oral Surgeon


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Yes, it will accept any made up insurance details.

    Limerick man wrote: »
    But that's fraud :O

    Indeed, I'm all clear btw...:rolleyes:


  • #25
    aujopimur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭aujopimur


    Limerick man wrote: »
    From what i've heard it just checks for tax, and to tax a car you have to have...?
    No you dont, they no longer look for a policy no. just the name of the insurer.


  • #26
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    aujopimur wrote: »
    No you dont, they no longer look for a policy no. just the name of the insurer.

    You try tax a car without having the policy number! it doesn't say it on the form, but they ask for it.


  • #27
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    They may ask, but they don't check any of the details you supply.

    A complete joke but that is Ireland for ya.


  • #28
    johnos1984
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭johnos1984


    Limerick man wrote: »
    aujopimur wrote: »
    No you dont, they no longer look for a policy no. just the name of the insurer.

    You try tax a car without having the policy number! it doesn't say it on the form, but they ask for it.
    They didn't ask me two weeks ago. They just wanted to know who underwrites it


  • #29
    aujopimur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭aujopimur


    Limerick man wrote: »
    You try tax a car without having the policy number! it doesn't say it on the form, but they ask for it.
    I taxed three vehicles this week, 2 imports & 1 Irish no policy nos. required.


  • #30
    bazman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭bazman


    The databases available to ANPR system include:
    - National vehicle & driver database, including vehicle details (e.g. tax, alerts, NCT), vehicle owner details (name, address), and driving licence details (e.g. name, address, points)
    - Irish Insurance Federation Uninsured Vehicle listing (i.e. list of vehicle registrations that are not covered by any insurance company)
    - Garda PULSE database (e.g. convictions, alerts)

    Of this I believe the only things actively checked are:
    - tax
    - insurance
    - alerts (e.g. stolen, scrapped, associated with offence etc)

    Hope this helps


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  • #31
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,473 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Irish Insurance Federation Uninsured Vehicle listing
    On what legal basis does this exist?


  • #32
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Limerick man wrote: »
    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Yes, it will accept any made up insurance details.

    But that's fraud :O


    .....or a typographical error...... ;)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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