Swords CC Club League

killalanerr

Beasty wrote: »

All the guys under the hour (and most under 65 mnutes) had full TT gear, including aerobars, disc wheel, pointy-hat, skinsuit, shoe covers ... (I seem to recall Mr Wherity had none of the above though, so if you put yourself in his league you'll have no problem;))

as i said far to honest for me,you think im seting the bar far to hi then ?

Beasty

Inquitus wrote: »

My aspirations remain as per the 10km TT. Don't come last. Do overshoes have any Aero effect?

Decent ones - 30s or so over 40km

Beasty

killalanerr wrote: »

as i said far to honest for me,you think im seting the bar far to hi then ?

Sub 70 minutes is pretty good going for anyone who has not done a 25 mile TT before and has none of the gear

Get yourself some clip-ons and ideally an aero helmet - they could make 2-3 minutes difference alone

Pacing is critical but it's difficult to assess whether you've got it right unless you've done this sort of distance before or have a Powermeter

manwithaplan

Beasty wrote: »

Decent ones - 30s or so over 40km

What about crap, designed to keep the rain off, neoprene ones?

How hard are clip-ons to get used to and do you need to adjust other aspects of set-up to use them? In short, any point in seeing if I can blag the lend of a pair on the night!

Beasty

manwithaplan wrote: »

What about crap, designed to keep the rain off, neoprene ones?

Anything is better than none (assuming no bad tears to disrupt airflow)

manwithaplan wrote: »

How hard are clip-ons to get used to and do you need to adjust other aspects of set-up to use them? In short, any point in seeing if I can blag the lend of a pair on the night!

Not too bad, but you definitely need to give them a go beforehand, if only to suss out gear changing and braking. When I started using them I made no other adjustments, although they do allow you to move the saddle forward which should improve power a bit

Inquitus

I found the clipons make a massive difference, and required no adjustment. Its a slippery slope though, I was decrying the lack of bar end brakes and shifters by the end of my only short TT to date!

Beasty

Inquitus wrote: »

I found the clipons make a massive difference, and required no adjustment. Its a slippery slope though, I was decrying the lack of bar end brakes and shifters by the end of my only short TT to date!

Shouldn't need brakes on this one, except at the roundabout turn when you'll need to sit up anyway

Hungrycol

Anyone got a link/map to the route and sign on for this?

Beasty

Hungrycol wrote: »

Anyone got a link/map to the route and sign on for this?

here it is on Strava

Last year there was some confusion on the sign-on with it stated as being in Batterstown, but they changed it to Black Bull Road (which is just after the motorway flyover) on the night

I suspect the same confusion may arise again in Wednesday:)

dooverylittle

Is the 25mile TT for club members only or is it just like any league race?

Beasty

dooverylittle wrote: »

Is the 25mile TT for club members only or is it just like any league race?

No different in terms of eligibility, but the trophy goes to the fastest club member

dooverylittle

Beasty wrote: »

No different in terms of eligibility, but the trophy goes to the fastest club member

Great thanks.

bbolger

Interesting selection of advertising on the mobile site for one of Beasty's recent responses...






Some hidden association with the TT bike?

Beasty

Sign-on confirmed as Black Bull, left off the R154 just after the motorway flyover, about 5-6km before Batterstown

Conditions are looking good - possibly the odd shower, but warm and hopefully just a light SWesterly to give a gently push home - no excuses - fast times all-round expected;)

dario28

Beasty wrote: »

Sign-on confirmed as Black Bull, left off the R154 just after the motorway flyover, about 5-6km before Batterstown

Conditions are looking good - possibly the odd shower, but warm and hopefully just a light SWesterly to give a gently push home - no excuses - fast times all-round expected;)

Whats the best way to get there from Portmarnock/swords area ?

Hungrycol

dario28 wrote: »

Whats the best way to get there from Portmarnock/swords area ?

I'm going on the R125 - R155 route.

Beasty

It will take me less than 20 minutes from Clare Hall - M50, N3/M3, R147, R154

Hungrycol

Beasty wrote: »

It will take me less than 20 minutes from Clare Hall - M50, N3/M3, R147, R154

Yeah that looks a better route....

Inquitus

Lovely night for it. 69:09 and I am happy enough with it, thought I left it all out there and gave it my best shot.

Caught my minute man inside 3-4 km and he proceeded to draft me for the next 34 or so! Beasty shouted at him to get out of it at one point as he passed by on his outbound leg.

glennbhoy

69.03 for my first 40km tt

tougher than i thought it would be

wind on way back was a bit of a biatch

hats off to those sub 60 riders:eek::eek::eek:

Hungrycol

My first 40km TT too. Started off and my speedo wasn't reading so I had to stop after about 200 meters and flip my front wheel so the magnet was on the sensor side.

Kept a close eye on my average and wanted to keep it preferably at 37kph but maybe 36kph depending on how I was feeling. Also wanted to keep my HR low as much as I could, if I kept in the 90%+ I'd have nowt for the last 10kms.

Was passed at about the 10km mark and I tried to stick to the plan above. He was either very good or over eager!

I passed him again about the 25km point and caught my minute man, then caught my 2 minute man. My finishing time about 1:04:45~ but await the official times to come through. Average 37.2 over 39.5kms but I think my bike speedo is calibrated to a 25mm tyre and I'm riding 23mm so I not convinced it's accurate on distance but the stopwatch doesn't lie! I'm delighted as the plan worked and I was under the 70min.

The conditions were near perfect tonight and I imagine there'll be a lot of fast times tonight.

manwithaplan

My first proper TT too. I forgot to get into the drops for the first couple of kms but got a good rhythm going after that. I caught my minute man and two minute man before the turn and got there in under 30 minutes. I thought the wind would be helping on the way back but I couldn't have been more wrong. The road seemed to rise a good bit too.

I got home in 62:41 - happy enough with that with no aero stuff or tri-bars. It was the first outing for the Garmin and the HR monitor was very handy. I have no idea what my max HR is but I kept it between 180 and 190 more or less throughout.

Lusk Doyle

Like lots of others it was my first 25 mile TT also. I really enjoyed that despite the wind in your face condition after the turn which was a surprise! I hit the turn with a 41kph average speed which had dropped to 39kph by the time the finish arrived.

According to Strava, I did it in 1 hr 2 mins and 5 secs. Very happy with that effort. I passed my 1, 2, 3 and 4 minute men and almost caught my 5 minute man.

At one point, as I was about to catch Greenmat (I think?) with approx 3k to go we caught up to a tractor cutting grass on a bend in the road and I was sure that a car would come the other way and I would be forced to either take a big risk or slow down. Thankfully, there was no car and I was able to power through around the bend passing the tractor!

Ryan Sherlock, Melanie Spath and Henry Crowley (our recently crowned club champion) were all faster than me and all under the hour to the best of my knowledge. I'm not sure, and I'm hoping that there was nobody else in between them and me!

I think that I might get to like this TT lark

Thanks as always to the marshals.

Lusk Doyle

manwithaplan wrote: »

My first proper TT too. I forgot to get into the drops for the first couple of kms but got a good rhythm going after that. I caught my minute man and two minute man before the turn and got there in under 30 minutes. I thought the wind would be helping on the way back but I couldn't have been more wrong. The road seemed to rise a good bit too.

I got home in 62:41 - happy enough with that with no aero stuff or tri-bars. It was the first outing for the Garmin and the HR monitor was very handy. I have no idea what my max HR is but I kept it between 180 and 190 more or less throughout.

Excellent time with no aero gear. Really great. Well done. You deserve big points and serious kudos for that effort.

Beasty

Possibly set off slightly too hard registering a max power output of 742w while getting up to speed

Was expecting the wind to help on the way back, and was delighted to be averaging over 40kph on the way out. 3rd quarter is always a killer for me, as there's quite a lot of drags. It was compounded when I realised the wind was actually against us, and the average speed gradually dropped. I also had problem with the gears jumping, and it was only after over 5km of this I realised I'd slipped onto the small ring.

I picked it up again in the final quarter to register a time of 62:52, a 40s improvement on my previous best. However it was perhaps slightly disappointing given how good the conditions were, and how good I felt on the outward leg

I'll put more details in the training log, but power was fairly consistent throughout, averaging abouyt 260w (again slightly behind what I had hoped), but the highest 4km segments were the first and last ones at just over 280w, with all the others in the range 246w to 261w, which means my pacing was about as good as it could be for the power I was putting out

Special mentions to manwithaplan who beat my time with no aero gear whatsoever, and Lusk Doyle for a very fast time given it was his first proper go on a TT bike

Fastest on the night was Ryan with a very fast 54 minutes or so, with Mel also breaking the hour - a fantastic achievement

Inquitus

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

At one point, as I was about to catch Greenmat (I think?) with approx 3k to go we caught up to a tractor cutting grass on a bend in the road and I was sure that a car would come the other way and I would be forced to either take a big risk or slow down. Thankfully, there was no car and I was able to power through around the bend passing the tractor!.

I got shafted by the tractor, big Audi coming the other way, too risky, had to stop and wait for a few secs Defo not what you need!

Hungrycol

manwithaplan wrote: »

I have no idea what my max HR is but I kept it between 180 and 190 more or less throughout.

General rule of thumb is 220 minus your age. As youre very fit you're probably not 180! Oops did I give away your age?!

And hay mister, with an astounding time like that you're in scratch next week.

Lusk Doyle

Hungrycol wrote: »

And hay mister, with an astounding time like that you're in scratch next week.

Yes, yes, yes!

greenmat

Like most of us here, this was my first 40km TT. Really hard event but brillant. On my bog standard Road bike with no Aero aids, timed by Joe at 66.09, out of the points but very happy with that time. As Lusk Doyle said earlier, when I came across the tractor about 3 km from the finish cutting the verge he was on a left hand corner meaning I had to go onto the wrong side of the road but the trouble was I couldn't see if any cars were coming against me. Just took the chance it was clear, I was that tired. The things you do to get a few seconds.

Hungrycol

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Hungrycol wrote: »

And hay mister, with an astounding time like that you're in scratch next week.

Yes, yes, yes!

You too!

Lusk Doyle

Hungrycol wrote: »

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Hungrycol wrote: »

And hay mister, with an astounding time like that you're in scratch next week.

Yes, yes, yes!

You too!

No, no, no!

I haven't even had the pleasure of group 4 yet!

manwithaplan

Hungrycol wrote: »

Oops did I give away your age?!

No - I am another year closer to death as of yesterday

you're in scratch next week.

Have some respect for your elders

killalanerr

66.18 for me i think thats about as fast as i could have gone i would like to have got under the 65 but i ran out of steam on the run in
i started off ok i felt good caught my min man early on then got sight of my 2min man and was inch-in up him till col went by me i tried to match him but he slowly pulled away from me up to the 2min man and took him away with him i was really tying up on the run in but happy with that time for a first attempt
It was when i stopped my problems started both my legs locked up and couldnt move i tried to remount and to a bit of a warm down but i was in so much pain i limped back to the car and just hung on to it i never had any thing like it before thanks to the guys for helping me to get into my car you know who you are,had a bath and im loosening up i bit now but still not grate

Beasty

manwithaplan wrote: »

Have some respect for your elders

you're in scratch next week.

Beasty

killalanerr wrote: »

It was when i stopped my problems started both my legs locked up and couldnt move i tried to remount and to a bit of a warm down but i was in so much pain i limped back to the car and just hung on to it i never had any thing like it before thanks to the guys for helping me to get into my car you know who you are,had a bath and im loosening up i bit now but still not grate

Give yourself a week or two - it will soon wear off...

Did I explain to you the importance, particularly for the elderly, of doing some stretches before (and after) a 25m TT?

Lusk Doyle

A cap full of kneipp joint and muscle rescue bath arnica is what you need. Fill a warm bath and then mix in one cap. It's the business!

killalanerr

some super times out their tonight mel i only class MWP and LD if they ever get the full TT gear would be posting some serious times,well done to the beast on improving your pb,LD dont even attempt to line up for G3 next week

manwithaplan

killalanerr wrote: »

It was when i stopped my problems started both my legs locked up and couldnt move i tried to remount and to a bit of a warm down but i was in so much pain i limped back to the car and just hung on to it i never had any thing like it before thanks to the guys for helping me to get into my car you know who you are,had a bath and im loosening up i bit now but still not grate

Jaysus. I'd say you'll be grand but that's not nice. Take it easy on your hols.

ryan_sherlock

Thanks for taking Mel and I along.

After the debacle at TT Nationals I have doing some TT tweaking (I have a VERY bad day every year or two, the type of day that makes you want to quit - even hours afterwards - hopefully this was the 2012 one - my body just was not working, I suffered while barely pedaling my usual warmup wattages!).

A few hours of training in the morning and then my plan was to ride the first 20k at tempo (about 330W) and then a bit harder on the way back. Hit a pothole 5k in (I know, there was about 4 in 40k and I managed to hit one) - lost my bottle (doh!) but sheered a bolt on the extensions (I must have used too short a bolt) - no extensions for the TT - so I was in the sides trying to stay low. Rode strong on the way back - if I rode like that at Nationals I would have been about 30sec off Roche - I smiled, no soreness, no suffering - strange - I like TTs again!

54:14 I think - not sure the conditions were perfect for speed but it was an amazing evening for it. When/where is the next 40K????

Lusk Doyle

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

Thanks for taking Mel and I along.

After the debacle at TT Nationals I have doing some TT tweaking (I have a VERY bad day every year or two, the type of day that makes you want to quit - even hours afterwards - hopefully this was the 2012 one - my body just was not working, I suffered while barely pedaling my usual warmup wattages!).

A few hours of training in the morning and then my plan was to ride the first 20k at tempo (about 330W) and then a bit harder on the way back. Hit a pothole 5k in (I know, there was about 4 in 40k and I managed to hit one) - lost my bottle (doh!) but sheered a bolt on the extensions (I must have used too short a bolt) - no extensions for the TT - so I was in the sides trying to stay low. Rode strong on the way back - if I rode like that at Nationals I would have been about 30sec off Roche - I smiled, no soreness, no suffering - strange - I like TTs again!

54:14 I think - not sure the conditions were perfect for speed but it was an amazing evening for it. When/where is the next 40K????

Ryan, what time would you expect on a good day without any issues?

Beasty

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Ryan, what time would you expect on a good day without any issues?

No pressure Ryan, but a certain Mr McCann (who has been the subject of separate discussion on the forum recently) posted a 47:06 not that long ago ...

I would add that the Batterstown course is not particularly fast. The road is rough in places (not pothioled, but a generally poor surface) and there is around 200m of climbing involved. The conditions were good last night, but not as good as I had expected - you are better with a South Westerly which you can shelter from on the way out and give you a bit of a push on the way back, particularly the third quarter. I suspect it ended up more a Southerly last night.

There are some faster courses in the North (I know someone who gave one of them a go not too long ago, and he reckoned it imnproved his 10 mile time by over a minute)

In Britain they often use dual carriageways without hard shoulders, which have a great surface, are flat, and where you get a massive benefit from passing traffic

dario28

First TT and an absolute disaster

Was aiming for sub65 and hit the halfway at 31mins feeling good. After going round the roundabout my groin started to tighen up. Next thing I had a shooting pain across my sit bones that I have never experienced before , total agony , I couldnt sit down and if I tried to go over 30km the pain became unbearable.
It felt like the longest 20kms back ever had to slow to a near stop a few times.

Im not sure whether its the saddle or that i'd been on hols for a week and a bit previous.

- If anyone has had this I'd love to know what caused it ?

Overall there was some seriously impressive times and lovely bike p0rn on display

Thanks to the Marshals

Beasty

dario28 wrote: »

First TT and an absolute disaster

Was aiming for sub65 and hit the halfway at 31mins feeling good. After going round the roundabout my groin started to tighen up. Next thing I had a shooting pain across my sit bones that I have never experienced before , total agony , I couldnt sit down and if I tried to go over 30km the pain became unbearable.
It felt like the longest 20kms back ever had to slow to a near stop a few times.

Im not sure whether its the saddle or that i'd been on hols for a week and a bit previous.

- If anyone has had this I'd love to know what caused it ?

Overall there was some seriously impressive times and lovely bike p0rn on display

Thanks to the Marshals

Were you on TT bars, and if so have you used them for long rides previously? The position you adopt is very different than when riding "normally". When I did my first TTs a couple of years ago I never had a problem with 10 miles, but with 25 miles I could hardly walk afterwards through a combination of numbness and hamstring strain

I've sorted the hamstrings through stretching (before and after the TT) and have now put an Adamo saddle on the TT bike - it makes a massive difference to me comfort-wise

Beasty

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Ryan Sherlock, Melanie Spath and Henry Crowley (our recently crowned club champion) were all faster than me and all under the hour to the best of my knowledge. I'm not sure, and I'm hoping that there was nobody else in between them and me!

That should just about put you top of the league. Looks like I have a new purpose in the league now as part of Adam's lead-out team*


* of coures, I'm unlikely to be there at the end to fulfil this duty, but I'll at least act as his domestique for a couple of minutes between being caught by group 4 and dropped by them.

dario28

Beasty wrote: »

Were you on TT bars, and if so have you used them for long rides previously? The position you adopt is very different than when riding "normally". When I did my first TTs a couple of years ago I never had a problem with 10 miles, but with 25 miles I could hardly walk afterwards through a combination of numbness and hamstring strain

I've sorted the hamstrings through stretching (before and after the TT) and have now put an Adamo saddle on the TT bike - it makes a massive difference to me comfort-wise

Nah just my normal bike - I havent felt comfortable since i got the fitzik Arione , Im kinda hoping thats it

Beasty

dario28 wrote: »

Nah just my normal bike - I havent felt comfortable since i got the fitzik Arione , Im kinda hoping thats it

Probably is - bear in mind that with a TT it's all-out with no respite (or at least should be) - you should only stop pedalling at the turn, and be on the drops throughout. It's very different from normal racing when you are moving your position on a regular basis. If you are going to experience issues like this it is much more likely to be in a TT (and will be far worse in a long TT than a short one)

ryan_sherlock

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

Ryan, what time would you expect on a good day without any issues?

That was my second 40k TT so no real idea.

I would guess, last night, if pushing it all the time and no issues another 2:30-4 minutes. As Beasty says - so much depends on the conditions and the actual course.

Beasty

ryan_sherlock wrote: »

When/where is the next 40K????

I was going to say same place, same time tonight with Dublin Wheelers doing a 25m TT on the same course (you would need a specific invitation though) ...

... then I saw the Orwell etc league are supposed to be running a race from Batterstown tonight - not sure what course, but it looks like some co-ordination between the clubs is required otherwise the TT riders are going to get caught up in some bunch racing!

manwithaplan

@dario

For what it's worth, my arse muscles (I'll let the anatomy students correct that) were sore last night, although I didn't feel it too badly until after the finish. My ride home to sunny Killester was a little uncomfortable, but not too bad.

I can still feel it this morning. I agree with Beasty - riding in the saddle and in the drops continually for an hour is very different from racing and introduces different stresses. The saddle might be an issue but there's more to it than that.

RobFowl

Beasty wrote: »

No pressure Ryan, but a certain Mr McCann (who has been the subject of separate discussion on the forum recently) posted a 47:06 not that long ago ...

Sure McCann's only a donkey, don't mind him

(obviously any of us should be able to do repeated sub 50 25's).