Gardaí to receive pursuit driving training

d3exile

http://www.joe.ie/motors/motors-news/gardai-to-get-schooled-in-high-speed-driving-0023261-1


I've done the CBD2 Response Driving Course and found it absolutely brilliant but was very surprised to find pursuit driving wasn't an aspect of it, hopefully this will be a shift in the right direction and future courses should hopefully have an aspect of it...

Random

i wonder will there be complaints about junior members coming out of future recruitment drives being fully qualified to drive at speed and longer serving members getting less driving time and not being happy etc.

its about time they trained the gardai properly anyway. maybe next they might give them a more practical uniform too.

kub

Random i agree with all you just said, also if they are serious about training then surely the equipment in which this training will be utilised should be fit for purpose.

Delancey

I must be naive , I had always presumed that pursuit driving was what the fabled Garda Driving Course was all about

d3exile

Delancey wrote: »

I must be naive , I had always presumed that pursuit driving was what the fabled Garda Driving Course was all about

The standard AGS car course now is the response driving course, basically responding to a specific scene as quickly and safely as possible, it's a different kettle of fish chasing a vehicle at high speed, would of made sense to include pursuit in the course but common sense sometimes doesn't prevail when HQ decisions are made...

tatumkelly

Has to be a positive step... safer for the gardai, as well as innocent citizens on the road.

WilcoOut

Random wrote: »

i wonder will there be complaints about junior members coming out of future recruitment drives being fully qualified to drive at speed and longer serving members getting less driving time and not being happy etc.

dont you know it!

The gra will get it revoked i bet, so that you wont have the veterans whinging,

rather than move forward, we'll be stifled and kept in the dark ages

d3exile

WilcoOut wrote: »

Random wrote: »

i wonder will there be complaints about junior members coming out of future recruitment drives being fully qualified to drive at speed and longer serving members getting less driving time and not being happy etc.

dont you know it!

The gra will get it revoked i bet, so that you wont have the veterans whinging,

rather than move forward, we'll be stifled and kept in the dark ages

With the new CBD courses there's no reason why all probationers shouldn't come out with CBD1 done, not response driving or high speed but it's something at least, then members could be selected for the pursuit/response training...

I could definitely see a lot of unrest if lads with 10years service get leap frogged by kids just outta the college

Mycroft H

Is there still lads driving about on the cheif supers permission? Its about time that stopped.

scholar007

Have AGS got any patrol cars left that can safely drive at high speed apart from the Volvos)?

d3exile

BX 19 wrote: »

Is there still lads driving about on the cheif supers permission? Its about time that stopped.

Chiefs still exists but it's on the way out being replaced division by division with the new CBD system, chiefs will now be CBD1, basically classroom theory and lectures followed by an assessment drive, no speeding or unusual driving, if you're deemed safe you are allowed drive official vehicles from a to b, no lights or sirens and no speeding, they have the same system in the UK I think but one of the UK lads will have to confirm that for me...

POGAN

scholar007 wrote: »

Have AGS got any patrol cars left that can safely drive at high speed apart from the Volvos)?

Volvos are getting old too

pah

d3exile wrote: »

if you're deemed safe you are allowed drive official vehicles from a to b, no lights or sirens and no speeding,

What's the point in having them behind the wheel then?

Eru

pah wrote: »

What's the point in having them behind the wheel then?

Exactly, a murder suspect fleeing the scene but you cant chase them. Logic in AGS

Zambia

pah wrote: »

What's the point in having them behind the wheel then?

At least they can drive a police car. Better a cop arrive late then never.

d3exile

Eru wrote: »

pah wrote: »

What's the point in having them behind the wheel then?

Exactly, a murder suspect fleeing the scene but you cant chase them. Logic in AGS

To be fair 90% of the job doesnt necessitate the use of lights and sirens, burglaries, thefts and criminal damage ie taking reports after the fact, material damage RTAs, Not to mention gathering evidence or arresting/ transporting, none of these require 999 response

WilcoOut

Zambia wrote: »

At least they can drive a police car. Better a cop arrive late then never.

not much of a service though is it?

all member of a police force should be trained to be behind teh wheel of official patrol cars and be abale to repsond to all situations safely and effectivly

could you imagine a child being snatched into a van and a patrol car being flagged down by the hysterical mother and the mule responding, sorry youll have to ring 999 and get someone qualified to persue him :rolleyes:

REXER

Great, lets make a bad situation worse with escalating the problem from the bad guys fleeing the scene to the bad guys fleeing the scene with the cops in pursuit, putting other road users and pedestrians in added danger!

What ever happened to radio's, roadblocks etc?

swiftblade

REXER wrote: »

Great, lets make a bad situation worse with escalating the problem from the bad guys fleeing the scene to the bad guys fleeing the scene with the cops in pursuit, putting other road users and pedestrians in added danger!

What ever happened to radio's, roadblocks etc?

They are left in Hollywood, along with shooting out the tyres. :P

Seriously though, Unless the fleet of cars is seriously upgraded I can't see the advantage of having pursuit training when you don't have the tools to carry it out correctly. I understand there are some decent TC unit cars, but no were near enough.

MagicSean

REXER wrote: »

Great, lets make a bad situation worse with escalating the problem from the bad guys fleeing the scene to the bad guys fleeing the scene with the cops in pursuit, putting other road users and pedestrians in added danger!

What ever happened to radio's, roadblocks etc?

They are quite useful in the city where you have loads of Gardaí minutes away. Not so useful in the country stations where the nearest support is not close and the number of roads far exceeds the number of Gardaí.

Zambia

WilcoOut wrote: »

not much of a service though is it?

all member of a police force should be trained to be behind teh wheel of official patrol cars and be abale to repsond to all situations safely and effectivly

could you imagine a child being snatched into a van and a patrol car being flagged down by the hysterical mother and the mule responding, sorry youll have to ring 999 and get someone qualified to persue him :rolleyes:

In fairness there are not that many times a patrol car is flagged down in front of a major crime like that.

However if it did happen the Mule using the common sense god gave him/her would follow as best he could while calling for the air wing , Traffic corp and other units.

In relation to pursuits here's one that does not end with a crash or adrenline filled moment. There are more ways to skin a cat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyyLtzgXzJ8

WilcoOut

Zambia wrote: »

In fairness there are not that many times a patrol car is flagged down in front of a major crime like that.

However if it did happen the Mule using the common sense god gave him/her would follow as best he could while calling for the air wing , Traffic corp and other units.

im sorry, thats not acceptable

every officer should be equiped and capable to tackle everything that crops up during his day

everything short of bomb disposal or counter terrorist manouvers

to think that an officer could not persue an assailant but would have to follow 'as best they could' while having to wait for someone else to do so would be hilarious if you wernt so serious

what is best they could?

would the be unable break a red light? over take on a continous white line? use a bus lane? 9all while safe to do so of course) all the while the getaway car is doing everything bar going airbourne to get away from the gardai...............

pa990

WilcoOut wrote: »

Zambia wrote: »

In fairness there are not that many times a patrol car is flagged down in front of a major crime like that.

However if it did happen the Mule using the common sense god gave him/her would follow as best he could while calling for the air wing , Traffic corp and other units.

im sorry, thats not acceptable

every officer should be equiped and capable to tackle everything that crops up during his day

everything short of bomb disposal or counter terrorist manouvers

to think that an officer could not persue an assailant but would have to follow 'as best they could' while having to wait for someone else to do so would be hilarious if you wernt so serious

what is best they could?

would the be unable break a red light? over take on a continous white line? use a bus lane? 9all while safe to do so of course) all the while the getaway car is doing everything bar going airbourne to get away from the gardai...............

If only you really knew

Zambia

WilcoOut wrote: »

im sorry, thats not acceptable

every officer should be equiped and capable to tackle everything that crops up during his day

No argument there but are you going to pay for that level of skill

Money no object sure, but lets face it money is an object.

TylerIE

pa990 wrote: »

If only you really knew

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pa990

TylerIE wrote: »

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The Code 'v' Reality

cursai

Driving course......if I could get a bike course I'd be happy.

Terrontress

WilcoOut wrote: »

Zambia wrote: »

In fairness there are not that many times a patrol car is flagged down in front of a major crime like that.

However if it did happen the Mule using the common sense god gave him/her would follow as best he could while calling for the air wing , Traffic corp and other units.

im sorry, thats not acceptable

every officer should be equiped and capable to tackle everything that crops up during his day

everything short of bomb disposal or counter terrorist manouvers

to think that an officer could not persue an assailant but would have to follow 'as best they could' while having to wait for someone else to do so would be hilarious if you wernt so serious

what is best they could?

would the be unable break a red light? over take on a continous white line? use a bus lane? 9all while safe to do so of course) all the while the getaway car is doing everything bar going airbourne to get away from the gardai...............

When dealing with a genuine emergency I am sure that any breaches of traffic law would be considered relative to the scale of the emergency.

If any private motorist had seen a child abducted or had to get an injured person to hospital quickly, I'd imagine they would not follow the act to the letter.

I can't see why a Garda without emergency driving training would be any different. As long as he knows his own limits and those of his car.

deadwood

Terrontress wrote: »

I can't see why a Garda without emergency driving training would be any different. As long as he knows his own limits and those of his car.

In, say, a collision of some sort?

Terrontress

deadwood wrote: »

Terrontress wrote: »

I can't see why a Garda without emergency driving training would be any different. As long as he knows his own limits and those of his car.

In, say, a collision of some sort?

Some sort of fish-run would you think?

Unforeseen circumstances?

Terrontress

deadwood wrote: »

Terrontress wrote: »

I can't see why a Garda without emergency driving training would be any different. As long as he knows his own limits and those of his car.

In, say, a collision of some sort?

Some sort of fish-run would you think?

Unforeseen circumstances?