Anders Breivik - Norwegian Massacre

RichieC

Had this guy of been an arab we'd of heard nout about mental health checks in the media.

Owen_S

dark crystal wrote: »

This is what I don't get at all. He claims he murdered 77 of his fellow Norwegians in a protest about multiculturalism (in particular, muslims).

So, if it was other cultures he had a problem with, why not target them instead

Because he felt that the people on the island were very likely to be the future left-wing leaders of the country(some were the children of left wing politicians in power at the moment according to a few articles), hence the people allowing mass immigration of Muslims.

NiThigim

http://podcast.rasset.ie/podcasts/2012/pc/pod-v-16041213m06stodaywithpatkenny-pid0-786144_audio.mp3

He has contempt for the Norwegian society. His council is actually trying to prove his sane and that he is at war with the Norwegian state. What a shame he was not shot dead.

Father Damo

Im not normally one for the hilariousness of the conspiracy theory forum, but this one reeks of some sort of inside job. For a start there seems to be a few people on the side of the law a little too eager to have him sent to an asylum rather than have a fully open trial.

Zebra3

Father Damo wrote: »

Im not normally one for the hilariousness of the conspiracy theory forum, but this one reeks of some sort of inside job. For a start there seems to be a few people on the side of the law a little too eager to have him sent to an asylum rather than have a fully open trial.

That's simple racism.

"We're not terrorists, they are."

Look at what happens when Israelis murder and terrorise Palestinians. Straight away there's a campaign to designate the Israeli terrorists as some sort of loons, but if a Palestinian carries out the same act, he/she is a "product of their society".

jive

gubbie wrote: »

This isn't right. They were talking to some Norweigan expert on the radio (I think Today FM) today about this. The maximum sentence that can be got in Norway is 21 years and after that a panel is brought together to see if the person is a threat to society. If he is, he gets 3 more years, if not, he's free.

Yeah and after that 3 years he'll get another 3 years and the cycle will continue. His beliefs are deep rooted and he isn't going to change and even if he does I find it unlikely that he will be released. I'd imagine he is in there for life once he goes in despite the system they have in place. If he gets released (he won't) then he's not deemed a threat to society and he's served his time so I don't see a problem with it.

Father Damo

Zebra3 wrote: »

That's simple racism.

"We're not terrorists, they are."

Oh come on. For a start, the logic of the whole thing does not make the slightest bit of sense. If he had stockpiled all this heavy weaponry and explosives, why attack Norwegian people? Why not the immigrants he was claiming to want to drive out of Europe? The UVF and LVF never massacred Protestants to warn them to get on their side. The whole thing smells highly fishy. It wouldnt be the first time secretive government forces have manipulated mentally ill people into carrying out dirty work for their own political ends.

u_c_thesecond

I remember watching the deaths last year and it gave me chills.

He is pure evil in my book, the hitler salute when his cuffs were removed shoes he is a faciast and he thinks hes done nothing wrong. And the way he smirked during it- and apparantly when a call was played from a girl in which people could be heard screaming he was still smirking away.

pure evil

biko

I definitely hope he spends the rest of his life in jail for those murders.

The salute was closed-fist salute but probably some simile to a nazi salute.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/9206376/Anders-Behring-Breivik-Norway-terrorist-attacks-in-pictures.html?image=1

sunflower27

dark crystal wrote: »

This is what I don't get at all. He claims he murdered 77 of his fellow Norwegians in a protest about multiculturalism (in particular, muslims).

So, if it was other cultures he had a problem with, why not target them instead

I think the point is he is madly clutching at straws to try and have some hope here.

There is footgae of him crying on the stand, but that was when he was shown incriminating footage of himself making weapons or decribing how he would use them (didn't hear properly).

One of the judges has been taken off the trial after saying that he should lose his life. Can only imagine how high emotions must be running there, especailly with him sniggering. It's really sick.

I wouldn't be able to control myself seeing that. The amount of families and people suffering because of his actions...

smash

I wonder when we can expect the movie.

sunflower27

smash wrote: »

I wonder when we can expect the movie.

Not for a while yet.

smash

sunflower27 wrote: »

Not for a while yet.

Wonder if it will be in 3D

biko

smash, stop messing

Dunny

What happened with the judge?

Duggys Housemate

SeanW wrote: »

Johro wrote: »

No such thing as evil ffs. He's damaged goods, that's all.

So a mafia boss isn't "evil"

A scumbag who sets throws kittens into bonfires just for kicks, isn't evil?

Osama Bin Laden? Various warmongers, past and present?

I'm sorry, I disagree very strongly. Some people are just human garbage.

Anders Brevhik is one of them.

Yes. Some people are psychopaths, and in extreme that's evil. This guy is.

WindSock

More use can be come of him if he is studied and profiled than a slab of cold meat. If it is possible though.

Plazaman

Even if convicted there is no such thing as doing hard time in Norway. The Norweigan prison system takes seriously it's philsophy that a prisoner should be treated a humanely as possible. "Depriving a person of their freedom for a period of time is sufficient punishment in itself without any need whatsoever for harsh prison conditions." one prison source is quoted as saying. SOURCE

Prisoners' cells include flat screen TVs, minifridges, and long windows that let in more sunlight. Prisoners share kitchens and living rooms with sofas and coffee tables. There's a state-of-the-art gym with a climbing wall and expensive artwork commissioned for the prison. At other maximum security prisons, inmates have access to the internet, even in their jail cells.

Looks like Anders will have a great old time.

Duggys Housemate

The lay judge - kinda like a juror - suggested the death penalty on Facebook. That's against Norwegian law.

In the US, on a trial for murder, you can be removed for opposing the death penalty.

You know what? He's sane. Absolutely sane. Probably the sanest person on Earth. No way is there anything crazy about him.

Yup, if that's what it takes for him to serve the rest of his life out in jail, then so be it. I genuinely can't see him coping too well, being a mass murderer and a child killer. Execution would be far too quick and far too easy for him.

Duggy747

He's giving his statement at the moment:

I have done the most sophisticated and spectacular political attack seen in Europe since the Second World War....

Liberals and marxists never wanted to have a democracy, since they feared new hitlers would pop up and cause the third world war.
1968 was the marxist revolutionary year… a socialist egalitarian system was built...the greater the victim you were the higher up in the hierarchy of power you could be.

crazygeryy

he doesnt look evil and he doesnt look insane.personally i think he should be tortured to within an inch of his life.then put in jail for life and then just surprise him one day and tell him hes being excecuted today come on lets go.
anyone saying he should get a bullet or the death penalty,its to quick he need s to die a slow painful horrifying terrifying death,like his 77 victims.

hes just after saying "id do it all again" ffs

sunflower27

crazygeryy wrote: »

hes just after saying "id do it all again" ffs

Not that remorse to families is any consolation, but that is the ultimate slap in the face to them.

I don't know if he is insane or not, but some people are obviously born that are capable of the most horrific crimes with no conscience at all to the hurt and suffering they cause and he is obviously one of them.

I agree that execution is the easy way out for him.

crazygeryy

sunflower27 wrote: »

Not that remorse to families is any consolation, but that is the ultimate slap in the face to them.

I don't know if he is insane or not, but some people are obviously born that are capable of the most horrific crimes with no conscience at all to the hurt and suffering they cause and he is obviously one of them.

I agree that execution is the easy way out for him.

the fact that he may only get a maximum of 21 years in prison just defies logic and is very scary.surely in a country where that is the law, they can make an exception for this animal and lock him up for good.whos going to object?

Dyr

I should probably worry that the first thing I noticed about his propaganda video was what MMORPG he'd nicked the soundtrack off.

In fairness though, it was a soundtrack by a Norwegian composer and a game developed by a Norwegian company so I guess he stuck to his principles.

Ush1

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't know how he could be considered as 'sane'. He may not be diagnosable but he's clearly fcuking mental.

You're considered sane when you don't suffer from any known mental illness and display a certain degree of rationality AFAIK.

I think one shrink found him insane and another perfectly sane.

St.Spodo

Showing a level of evil beyond our comprehension doesn't necessarily make him insane. Broadly speaking, there are cranks throughout Europe who share his views, Breivik was just willing to kill for those views. I don't pretend to be an expert on criminal law but surely fanaticism doesn't automatically equate to insanity.

Ush1

WindSock wrote: »

More use can be come of him if he is studied and profiled than a slab of cold meat. If it is possible though.

I agree.

I think with the death penalty it will never get to the root of a problem. It is purely meant for deterrent/punishment/societal solution.

hooradiation

Father Damo wrote: »

Oh come on. For a start, the logic of the whole thing does not make the slightest bit of sense. If he had stockpiled all this heavy weaponry and explosives, why attack Norwegian people? Why not the immigrants he was claiming to want to drive out of Europe? The UVF and LVF never massacred Protestants to warn them to get on their side. The whole thing smells highly fishy. It wouldnt be the first time secretive government forces have manipulated mentally ill people into carrying out dirty work for their own political ends.

Simply because you cannot comprehend the reasoning of a lunatic doesn't mean there was a conspiracy.

goodie2shoes

My name is URL wrote: »

Is such an extreme level of evilness not a sign that insanity may be a factor? There was no realisable reason for him to do what he done.. all of it was built up in his own head, and completely disconnected from reality.

I do hope that he is found to be insane. Otherwise his crusade will seem more normalised than it deserves to be.

Just because you disagree with someone's viewpoint or their methods however repugnant, does not necessarily mean they are insane.