infinite monkey theorem

wendell borton

The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

Now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true

AboutTwoFiddy

That's a relief.

The King of Moo

*reluctantly releases monkeys*

AngryBollix

Does this apply to samantha brick?

44leto

wendell borton wrote: »

The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

Now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true

Well the way stats work, the first monkey could randomly generate the works of Shakespeare on his first try.

So you would not need an infinite amount of time.

44leto

To be or not to be that is the question mmmwwmmeewrmmrmrremmermrmre

Its possible alright.

fasttalkerchat

Of course its true. What makes you think otherwise?

im invisible

It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times

TheChizler

It was the best of times, It was the blurst of times?! You stupid monkey!!

*Snap*

PhlegmyMoses

Infinite honey badgers on the other hand.......

partyatmygaff

For a moment I thought this thread was titled "Infinite money theorem". Ireland's now disproven theory on wealth generation in the property market

humberklog

Is this a banana I see before me?

The_Minister

wendell borton wrote: »

The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

Now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true

The internet has been around for a few decades, not infinity.

The words typed into the internet have a person and are not random pressings of the keyboard, which is the point of the idea.


Is there only one monkey?

Mickey H

wendell borton wrote: »

The infinite secretary theorem states that a secretary hitting keys at random on a computer keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely make a typo error.

Now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true

There, FYP.

44leto

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Of course its true. What makes you think otherwise?

It not true, nature wise, a monkey nor us will use a keyboard in a purely random fashion. There will be a pattern to that randomness and the result of that patterned randomness will never be a work of shakespeare.

Think about the problem of randomness, how do you generate a totally random number with no external influences using anything. There always will be.

Owen_S

This would explain how they write Fair City.

MickySticks

This is what I came up with after randomly hitting keys for 30 seconds.

jddjsjsjsjdfjbbvdgdbdjmndldpdlkdjndddndndndnnsjmshsvznxmxmspskisjsjeuwsbenromeodskjdnsmndjdjkjndjndfhtrednaakdspxlcmnc ncfndjndjdjdjedneueki3ikejnmsnskdndjdndndjdndjfkfldodkdk

The King of Moo

MickySticks wrote: »

This is what I came up with after randomly hitting keys for 30 seconds.

jddjsjsjsjdfjbbvdgdbdjmndldpdlkdjndddndndndnnsjmshsvznxmxmspskisjsjeuwsbenromeodskjdnsmndjdjkjndjndfhtrednaakdspxlcmnc ncfndjndjdjdjedneueki3ikejnmsnskdndjdndndjdndjfkfldodkdk

I think that's a passage from Finnegan's Wake!

El Weirdo

The_Minister wrote: »

The words typed into the internet have a person and are not random pressings of the keyboard...

I do wonder sometimes.

The_Minister wrote: »

Is there only one monkey?

It can be one monkey and an infinite amount of time or an infinite number of monkeys and a set amount of time. Same symphony, different movement.

The_Minister

Let me try!!


Bella stared into Edwards eyes and felt his cold skin against her chest. Oh, how she longed to make him dinner and have his babies! Who needed a personality, or a purpose, so long as they had a handsome ageless boyfriend?

FlyingIrishMan

The_Minister wrote: »

Let me try!!


Bella stared into Edwards eyes and felt his cold skin against her chest. Oh, how she longed to make him dinner and have his babies! Who needed a personality, or a purpose, so long as they had a handsome ageless boyfriend?

Still a better love story than twi... oh. :rolleyes:

wonderfulname

The_Minister wrote: »

Is there only one monkey?

Normally it's said as an infinite number of monkeys for an infinite length of time, but you only need one condition to be infinite and it will still make sense.

kincsem

The monkeys complain that they can't get typewriters these days.

mackg

Is there a theorem with a better name than this one? I doubt it.

Sofaspud

Given an infinite amount of time, a monkey's primate ancestors will gradually evolve over a huge amount of time until the human species comes into existance, one of whom will be called William Shakespeare thus writing the complete works of William Shakespear.

It already happened lads!

My name is URL

I blame the unions

fasttalkerchat

mackg wrote: »

Is there a theorem with a better name than this one? I doubt it.

I had a similar idea a few years back and called the Infinate time; infinate possibilities theory.
I was shocked that this theory already existed!

sock puppet

44leto wrote: »

Well the way stats work, the first monkey could randomly generate the works of Shakespeare on his first try.

So you would not need an infinite amount of time.

You would need an infinite amount of time for the probability to equal 1.

fasttalkerchat

sock puppet wrote: »

You would need an infinite amount of time for the probability to equal 1.

If they were given infinate time they would probably need little over half of it :D:D

The King of Moo

The King of Moo wrote: »

*reluctantly releases monkeys*

Thanks from: rab!dmonkey

You're welcome, my furry friend.

sock puppet

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

If they were given infinate time they would probably need little over half of it :D:D

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_distribution

God I love boring people to death with probability.

44leto

sock puppet wrote: »

You would need an infinite amount of time for the probability to equal 1.

But it could still happen on the first attempt.

Take the lotto, you could win it on the first game you ever played. That is because it is possible to win.

But with this theory the assumption is it would happen therefore it could happen on the first attempt.

So with that you can see it is not possible even with infinity in the equations.

That's my conjecture. So take it with a pinch of salt.

fasttalkerchat

sock puppet wrote: »

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_distribution

God I love boring people to death with probability.

As soon as I saw the title of the article I facepalmed. The wikipedia article was too complicated but I vaguely remember enough from school that I should have known that!

sock puppet

44leto wrote: »

But it could still happen on the first attempt.

Take the lotto, you could win it on the first game you ever played. That is because it is possible to win.

But with this theory the assumption is it would happen therefore it could happen on the first attempt.

The theorem is that the probability approaches one as n goes to infinity. So in order for the probability to approach one the monkey needs to type for an infinite amount of time. It's the same for any random event.

sock puppet

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

As soon as I saw the title of the article I facepalmed. The wikipedia article was too complicated but I vaguely remember enough from school that I should have known that!

I was asked something similar in an interview. If the probability of an event happening in the next 60 minutes is 0.9, what's the probability of it happening in then next 30 minutes. It was the highlight of my year.

fasttalkerchat

sock puppet wrote: »

I was asked something similar in an interview. If the probability of an event happening in the next 60 minutes is 0.9, what's the probability of it happening in then next 30 minutes. It was the highlight of my year.

Go on, give your answer. You know you want to!

sock puppet

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Go on, give your answer. You know you want to!

6

fasttalkerchat

sock puppet wrote: »

6

Okay, what??

Pherekydes

My infinite troop of monkeys came up with Einstein's theory of Evolution. And Darwin's theory of Relativity. And the God Delusion.

im invisible

Pherekydes wrote: »

My infinite troop of monkeys came up with Einstein's theory of Evolution. And Darwin's theory of Relativity. And the God Delusion.

they havnt got around to that book by Dawkins yet? The Bible?

Fuk, people have been quoting that exact phrase for 15 years OP.

davet82

i think we should cull all monkeys just in case this super breed of shakspeare writing monkeys are hatching a plan to take us out

28064212

Pherekydes wrote: »

My infinite troop of monkeys came up with Einstein's theory of Evolution. And Darwin's theory of Relativity. And the God Delusion.

But no Shakespeare? FAIL!

28064212

wendell borton wrote: »

The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare.

Now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true

Source? The probability of a monkey typing for an infinite of time producing the complete works of Shakespeare is 1.

The probability of them doing it within the lifespan of the universe is as close to 0 as makes no difference

wonderfulname

28064212 wrote: »

But no Shakespeare? FAIL!

In theory, because there's an infinite number of them, they've written every work ever written and next years Pulitzer prize winner.

pickarooney

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I had a similar idea a few years back and called the Infinate time; infinate possibilities theory.
I was shocked that this theory already existed!

The paradox is strong with this post.

Sea Sharp

Of course it's true.
Granted it might take a trillion monkeys going at it for a trillion times the life expectancy of the universe to do it.
It's about as likely as a man with a beard being responsible for the big bang.

28064212

wonderfulname wrote: »

In theory, because there's an infinite number of them, they've written every work ever written and next years Pulitzer prize winner.

Depends on when they started and how fast they type

davet82

fcuk the monkeys, i just wanna know if it was the egg or chicken that came first

The King of Moo

It wouldn't take a monkey too long to type "yore ma."

In fact, I'm not certain that this hasn't been done already.

mackg

davet82 wrote: »

fcuk the monkeys, i just wanna know if it was the egg or chicken that came first

Right so, you go fuck some monkeys and come back and tell us how you get on.