The Myth of Steven Gerrard

jaykay74

super_furry wrote: »

You're a United fan. Why on earth would you let a debate about a Liverpool player get to you so much?

Only problem with the topic at hand is that it seems to be another tit-for-tat argument created because someone else was questioning a player that played for a rival team.

Its in reference to the Cantona thread afaik

LuckyLloyd

kryogen wrote: »

You have hissy fits at times so Im sure you will at least know what Im talking about

I just tell people to stick it and take the card if the card is coming. It's quicker that way.

JimiTime

Always thought he was overrated, but no doubt a fine player. By no means a tempo setter. He's a 'feck it, gimme the ball and I'll do it meself' type of player, which is why we have those spectacular moments from him. That type of player will always struggle for consistancy though. Scholes, Xavi, Alonso, Fabregas etc are tempo setters. They make the team play. Someone said earlier he was the complete midfielder, well no offence, but I question your knowledge of the game (no offence). How anyone could think that I don't know. A fine player he is, but a complete midfield player? Not a chance! Llyod sums him up pretty well I think.

El Inho

what these threads are lacking are peak context.

gerrard in his peak, yeah the best midfielder.

right now he's not, anywhere near his former self, but still important.

if were going to have tit for tat threads over every player i cant see this debate going much futher.

OP said he wanted maturity but in starting this thread he shows none...the lack of maturity from the majority of posters on these topics make it impossible to discuss these 'myths'

kryogen

super_furry wrote: »

You're a United fan. Why on earth would you let a debate about a Liverpool player get to you so much?

Only problem with the topic at hand is that it seems to be another tit-for-tat argument created because someone else was questioning a player that played for a rival team.

Cantona played for United!

kryogen

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I just tell people to stick it and take the card if the card is coming. It's quicker that way.

Unfortunately I have to watch it over the next few weeks as I dont have the luxury of accepting the card! Have told one to many people to stick it this season apparently

Plus I seem to remember quite a few sarcastic posts in the KD thread mocking the muppets rather then simply telling them to stick it Im pretty sure

aidan24326

Pinturicchio wrote: »

"His left foot is fantastic. It’s like Mozart. God gave Freddy [Adu] the gift to play soccer." - Pele

"Totti is the best player in the world." - Pele

Yeah Pele does talk a fierce amount of sh1te. Had he gone to watch Blackpool last season he'd have been telling us that Charlie Adam is the best player in the world. He's a clown really.


For me Gerrard at his best was a top-class attacking midfielder, especially when allowed to play in behind Torres with the likes of Alonso behind him. That role suited him well and there's no doubt he dug Liverpool out of a few holes along the way.

But he never had the footballing intelligence or the composure on the ball to be a great central midfielder. His shortcomings have been exposed moreso at international level where it's a different type of football. He's typical of the type of footballer England seem to produce, all 100 miles an hour action but very poor at holding onto the ball. That said, he's been Liverpool's best player by far, but he should have gone to Chelsea when he had the chance.

Donnielighto

Corholio wrote: »

Never quite did it with England, then again who has in the past 10 years?

CROUCHY!!!

LuckyLloyd

eldwaro wrote: »

the lack of maturity from the majority of posters on these topics make it impossible to discuss these 'myths'

Which is a shame because there are some interesting myths around players over the years:

- Cantona was a world beater;
- Gerrard was a world class central midfielder;
- Beckham was overrated because of his celebrity;
- Sutton was an average player made to look good by Shearer;


etc, etc. But you can't discuss any of these because fans will either want to stick the boot in on one side; or get overly defensive on the other.

DM_7

The only myth about Gerard is that he wasn't top class!

amazing all round player, a real leader, hugely influentual. Without being rude and hopefully not offending to many Liverpool fans, they had some really poor players over last 10 years but Gerrard repeatedly dragged them up a level. Not totally by himself obviously but he was always the most likely to make the difference.

I can't get my head around anyone playing down how good he was at his peak. No player has everything. Gerrard had a lot more to his game then most.

LuckyLloyd

kryogen wrote: »

Unfortunately I have to watch it over the next few weeks as I dont have the luxury of accepting the card! Have told one to many people to stick it this season apparently

Plus I seem to remember quite a few sarcastic posts in the KD thread mocking the muppets rather then simply telling them to stick it Im pretty sure

Oh, I've employed all my AIDS fighting tools in that one to no avail...:rolleyes:

Sir Gallagher

So this thread failed miserably.

kryogen

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Oh, I've employed all my AIDS fighting tools in that one to no avail...:rolleyes:

And they wont, the thread will die away on its own and the muppets will be there till the end

homerjay2005

Hard to judge how good he is/was, as he never really signed for a big club. that chelsea move could have seen him play at the higher level of the PL, but it wasnt to be.

decent player on his day though.

steelcityblues

DM-ICE wrote: »

The only myth about Gerard is that he wasn't top class!

amazing all round player, a real leader, hugely influentual. Without being rude and hopefully not offending to many Liverpool fans, they had some really poor players over last 10 years but Gerrard repeatedly dragged them up a level. Not totally by himself obviously but he was always the most likely to make the difference.

I can't get my head around anyone playing down how good he was at his peak. No player has everything. Gerrard had a lot more to his game then most.

Agree. I'm not a Pool fan, but I went to see the home fixture against M'Boro back in 08. Boro went one nil up, and were causing a lot of problems.
It was the bursting runs of Gerrard, along with the clinical finishing of Torres, that saved Liverpool to turn into a 3-2 victory. Those two were on another level at the time, and Rafa would have had a truly mediocre side without them.

LuckyLloyd

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Hard to judge how good he is/was, as he never really signed for a big club. that chelsea move could have seen him play at the higher level of the PL, but it wasnt to be.

decent player on his day though.

lol

Turtyturd

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

So this thread failed miserably.

There could be life in it yet.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Hard to judge how good he is/was, as he never really signed for a big club.

Chucky the tree

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Hard to judge how good he is/was, as he never really signed for a big club. that chelsea move could have seen him play at the higher level of the PL, but it wasnt to be.

decent player on his day though.

You are unable to judge a player unless he's played for a team who has won a league title? That's alot of players you must not be able to have a proper opinion on. It's a shame your lack of knowledge of football holds you back tbh.

Xavi6

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Hard to judge how good he is/was, as he never really signed for a big club.

Like Cantona in Europe you mean?

prettyboy81

Gerrard a LFC legend, will be considered all time great for the club.

Gerrard a premiership legend, a player of a generation who LFC were very lucky to have at his peak and that he didn't leave for Chelski.

England never got to see the best of him, as with all players of a generation you build the team around them. No England manager had the balls to do this.

There is no myth here....Gerrard, World Class Pro, who has many defining moments in the Premiership, FA Cup, Champions League, Carling Cup....

Unearthly

Would have loved him at United.

Fergie Time and Gerrard strikes would have been a match made in heaven.

ntlbell

Xavi6 wrote: »

Best player in the league at his peak and the most complete midfielder you'll find.

Show us your league medals.

Sir Gallagher

ntlbell wrote: »

Show us your league medals.

It gets worse.

Donnielighto

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Gerrard a LFC legend, will be considered all time great for the club.

Gerrard a premiership legend, a player of a generation who LFC were very lucky to have at his peak and that he didn't leave for Chelski.

England never got to see the best of him, as with all players of a generation you build the team around them. No England manager had the balls to do this.

There is no myth here....Gerrard, World Class Pro, who has many defining moments in the Premiership, FA Cup, Champions League, Carling Cup....

why build a team around gerrard when you could build it around lampard who has everythin gerrard had and more?

homerjay2005

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Hard to judge how good he is/was, as he never really signed for a big club.

:pac:, not a Liverpool fan then?

Xavi6

ntlbell wrote: »

Show us your league medals.

Tut tut, I expected better from you

Nuri Sahin

Can't add much to LL's post but to say, he is one of the best strikers of a ball technically I've seen especially when factoring in the position he play/has played. So many variations to his strikes ranging from the most ridiculous to the relatively simple ones.

Shame for Liverpool's sake that Rafa was the only one to realise that he isn't a CM. The understanding he had built up with Torres and Xabi as well was such a joy to watch.

ntlbell

Donnielighto wrote: »

why build a team around gerrard when you could build it around lampard who has everythin gerrard had and more?

well if we're going by pele

paul scholes was the best midfield player that ever lived.

if it's good enough for gerrard it's good enough for ginger top

super_furry

ntlbell wrote: »

Show us your league medals.

Is that honestly all you have to offer what could be a decent debate? How about 'my dad's bigger than your dad'?

ntlbell

Xavi6 wrote: »

Tut tut, I expected better from you

I'm out of practice

ntlbell

super_furry wrote: »

Is that honestly all you have to offer what could be a decent debate? How about 'my dad's bigger than your dad'?

What's there to debate? it's all ready been answered

We will never know what stevie G could have done if he was in a half decent team because he was never in one.

It's like talking about the myth of me.

What could have been if I made it :mad:

prettyboy81

Donnielighto wrote: »

why build a team around gerrard when you could build it around lampard who has everythin gerrard had and more?

Maybe you could elaborate on what more Lampard had that Gerrard didn't??? The Myth of Frank Lampard....

LuckyLloyd

ntlbell wrote: »

We will never know what stevie G could have done if he was in a half decent team because he was never in one.

lol

super_furry

ntlbell wrote: »

We will never know what stevie G could have done if he was in a half decent team because he was never in one.

And crap like this is why it's all but impossible to have any kind of decent debate on this forum. You've just got to get the point-scoring in, "hur hur Liverpool are crap!" Just ignore the topic at hand and stir the pot, hoping that someone will bite and it decends into yet another tedious United fans vs Liverpool fans clusterfcuk.

ntlbell

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Maybe you could elaborate on what more Lampard had that Gerrard didn't??? The Myth of Frank Lampard....

I think there's about 100 goals in the difference, for a start...

Fuhrer

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Maybe you could elaborate on what more Lampard had that Gerrard didn't??? The Myth of Frank Lampard....

Wahey!


Another thread

ntlbell

super_furry wrote: »

And crap like this is why it's all but impossible to have any kind of decent debate on this forum. You've just got to get the point-scoring in, "hur hur Liverpool are crap!" Just ignore the topic at hand and stir the pot, hoping that someone will bite and it decends into yet another tedious United fans vs Liverpool fans clusterfcuk.

don't post in it then?

flyswatter

Pinturicchio wrote: »

jaykay74 wrote: »

Pele is a rent a quote, depends on who is paying his bills that particular day. Didn't he cite Nicky Butt as an outstanding midfielder during the 2002 WC

"His left foot is fantastic. It’s like Mozart. God gave Freddy [Adu] the gift to play soccer." - Pele

"Totti is the best player in the world." - Pele

He's gone completely senile has Pele, said Neymar was better than Messi the other week.

markie29

Gerrard is not world class in centre midfield....he is/was world class when he was given a free role behind the main striker.

steelcityblues

Nicky Butt was going to be the 'star' of WC 2002, also. :rolleyes:

Fuhrer

Not really a midfielder or a striker. Maybe a forward?


But yeah, he was pretty good.

RasTa

The best Clutch game player of his generation, not consistent enough and would have a lot more silverware if played with Chelsea under Jose or Fergie.

TheDoc

So the "Are Jesus and God done?" threads are finished we know have these?

The only myth around Steve Gerrard is how many billions of pounds he was paid to stay at that club, whilst constantly being let down.

While he comes behind a good few players in terms of the best PL midfielders, I applaud him for what must be an outrageous pain in his back carrying " a top team" through year after year of disappointement and mediocrity.

Don't think he has the football intellegence to carry on much longer, as injuries toll up and he is no longer a box to box midfielder, don't see him being able to anchor a midfield.

And in the long dark of night, how he must have regret that he showed an undying loyalty that was never repaid with any sort measure from the club.

Will be overshadowed by even a large amount of inferior midfielders, but whose trophy cabinets are bursting with victories.

Although in fairness his Champions league medal, should pretty much read " Steve Gerrard conquers Europe "

SlickRic

RasTa wrote: »

The best Clutch game player of his generation.

and there, in 8 words, is hopefully what Gerrard's legacy will ultimately be.

fitting.

PhlegmyMoses

Gerrard has been one of the best midfielders of the PL era. I would have killed for him at united when Keane's career started to fade out. May not have replaced him directly but we missed that kind of explosiveness on the pitch for a few years.

Xavi6

Let's just all be friends and bond over his missus

prettyboy81

ntlbell wrote: »

I think there's about 100 goals in the difference, for a start...

Liverpool
FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12
FA Community Shield (2): 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01
UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005
Individual
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009
PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
Liverpool Top Goalscorer: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009[105]
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006
Goal of the Season: 2006
England Player of the Year: 2007
Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE): 2007
Honorary Fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University: 2008
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award 3rd Place: 2005

LuckyLloyd

TheDoc wrote: »

Although in fairness his Champions league medal, should pretty much read " Steve Gerrard conquers Europe "

Didn't watch much of our campaign that year I take it? That Dietmar Hammann fellah might wonder why Gerrard was getting all the praise imo.

Morricone

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Didn't watch much of our campaign that year I take it? That Dietmar Hammann fellah might wonder why Gerrard was getting all the praise imo.

We wouldn't have done it without Igot Biscan's dominating performance in La Coruna in the group stage. Everyone played a part. Steven Gerrard and his band of merry men conquering Europe would have been more apt.

Red Crow

Good player, over-rated. He had a spectacular shot and often dug Liverpool out of a hole with a late goal.

Honest enough except about the having a word about a dive sh1te. At his peak he was a very good player.