The Myth of Steven Gerrard

RasTa

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Individual
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009
PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
Liverpool Top Goalscorer: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009[105]
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006
Goal of the Season: 2006
England Player of the Year: 2007
Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE): 2007
Honorary Fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University: 2008
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award 3rd Place: 2005

Ah yes but does he have the

Premier League : 2004–05 Barclays Merit Award (for 164 consecutive appearances)
or
2006 FIFA World Cup : Man of the match vs Paraguay

He actually has some decent stat number awards does Frank

only player to score at least 10 goals in nine consecutive seasons in the Premier League.

Premier League : Midfielder with the most goals in premier league history - 145 goals

Premier League : Player of the Decade, (2000–2009) according to official statistics

ntlbell

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Liverpool
FA Cup (2): 2000–01, 2005–06
League Cup (3): 2000–01, 2002–03, 2011–12
FA Community Shield (2): 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League (1): 2004–05
UEFA Cup (1): 2000–01
UEFA Super Cup (2): 2001, 2005
Individual
FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year: 2001, 2009
PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Premier League Player of the Month: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
Liverpool Top Goalscorer: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009[105]
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006
Goal of the Season: 2006
England Player of the Year: 2007
Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE): 2007
Honorary Fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University: 2008
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award 3rd Place: 2005

how is this relevant to 100 premier league goals? slightly more important team of the poxy year. a goal is a goal. who cares of he hit from 40yrds and fluked a nesting in the bottom corner?

give me the 100 goals more everyday of the week

nonsense.

Dickerty

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Didn't watch much of our campaign that year I take it? That Dietmar Hammann fellah might wonder why Gerrard was getting all the praise imo.

Hamann didn't even start the final, Igor Biscan had a better tournament overall...

Sure Gerrard only scored the vital goal that got us into the knock-out stages (he was injured for most of the group stage), and the vital first goal in the final, and won the penalty to equalise. Oh, and played in about 4 positions in the final!

CSF

RasTa wrote: »

The best Clutch game player of his generation

He's not American and he doesn't play American football. He plays soccerball

leggit

Worst corner kick taker I've ever seen.

Other than that, at his peak (c. 2004-09), was one of the best players around and would have walked into any team

Melion

Dickerty wrote: »

Hamann didn't even start the final, Igor Biscan had a better tournament overall...

Sure Gerrard only scored the vital goal that got us into the knock-out stages (he was injured for most of the group stage), and the vital first goal in the final, and won the penalty to equalise. Oh, and played in about 4 positions in the final!

And if Didi hadnt come on at h/t that first goal wouldnt have happened and even if it had, it would have been as a consolation in a 5/6/7-1 defeat.

shamrock55

what an insult to such a great player "the myth of steven gerrard" my arse the only myth is how im responding to such a joke of a thread to an op who obviously knows fook all about football:mad:

RasTa

CSF wrote: »

He's not American and he doesn't play American football. He plays soccerball

Thanks for telling me

CSF

RasTa wrote: »

CSF wrote: »

He's not American and he doesn't play American football. He plays soccerball

Thanks for telling me

No problem.

Being serious though he was a really good kickball player, made some really good plays and was probably Liverpool's MVP for a good few years.

TheDoc

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Didn't watch much of our campaign that year I take it? That Dietmar Hammann fellah might wonder why Gerrard was getting all the praise imo.

no, not a second

It comes up every now and again on a documentary with their road to winning, and its usually all Gerrard

murpho999

Really lads, does every thread have to come from LFC/ Man U divide?

All just leads to blinkered arguments.

Will anyone start a neutral one for the purist with one like 'The Myth of Pele?' who has done nothing since 1970 except help restore erections?

CSF

murpho999 wrote: »

Really lads, does every thread have to come from LFC/ Man U divide?

Yup, so annoying

Woooahh, such bitterness in here !

If you slag off our Eric, I'm gonna ruin your thread ! LOL

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Anyway, Gerrard on form was unstoppable.

The best season he had was the season Liverpool had their strongest team in years. For years he played in average enough Liverpool teams and carried the team on many occasion.

Still capable of moments of genius, although it doesn't help that he's not playing in his best position.

LuckyLloyd

Dickerty wrote: »

Hamann didn't even start the final, Igor Biscan had a better tournament overall...

Sure Gerrard only scored the vital goal that got us into the knock-out stages (he was injured for most of the group stage), and the vital first goal in the final, and won the penalty to equalise. Oh, and played in about 4 positions in the final!

I know. He completely changed the whole shape and direction of the game when he was introduced at half time though.

Liam O

Has Gerrard ever been consistently world class though? Like over 2 seasons in row in his career has he been in the top 3 players in the league or has he just been better than all the Liverpool players he played with? He has never really been on a team with 4 or 5 players of his ability except for England maybe and he failed to show anything like his Liverpool form there. A bit like Liverpool (and this isn't designed as a dig) in that he's able to get himself ready for the big games but week in week out he has never really been there consistently. You could say that season where Liverpool pushed United a few years ago and he was probably world class for the 2nd half of that one.

CSF

CSF wrote: »

Yup, so annoying

The thing is, it can narrowed down to a certain few most of the time.

Also, there's actually good posts/debate being made in here, just a pity you have to wade through mountains of shit too.

Liam O

CSF wrote: »

Yup, so annoying

Tell that to the Leeds fan who started both the threads today?

These threads have been good for discussion.

There has been so much whinging here the last few days, that's what's so annoying.

SlickRic

lads, stop whingeing.

you're going to get posts you don't like, and that you deem "shíte" all the time on these sorts of sites.

i suggest you just deal with it and/or ignore it.

as has been said, there's been good discussion, and a bit of friendly banter had in these threads.

rossie1977

Liam O wrote: »

except for England maybe and he failed to show anything like his Liverpool form there.

as opposed to say a lampard or rooney whom haven't scored at a major tournament for england since 2004

Liam O

rossie1977 wrote: »

as opposed to say a lampard or rooney whom haven't scored at a major tournament for england since 2004

I knew that would be said, it might be an issue if they weren't having regular 20 goal seasons...

prettyboy81

ntlbell wrote: »

how is this relevant to 100 premier league goals? slightly more important team of the poxy year. a goal is a goal. who cares of he hit from 40yrds and fluked a nesting in the bottom corner?

give me the 100 goals more everyday of the week

nonsense.

But it's not 100 goals, get your figures correct please before posting!

ntlbell

prettyboy81 wrote: »

But it's not 100 goals, get your figures correct please before posting!

it's around 100 more :rolleyes:

contribute man.

The_Kew_Tour

Great player would like him at United.

Just short of World Class, but still very good player.

ntlbell

I thought he spent too much time kissing camera's very odd behavior for a captain.

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

it's around 100 more :rolleyes:

contribute man.

Going by your way, Lampard is better than Scholes too.

C'mon you're better than the rolly eyes thing !

ntlbell

rarnes1 wrote: »

Going by your way, Lampard is better than Scholes too.

C'mon you're better than the rolly eyes thing !

I didn't say he was better, he asked what did lampard had that stevie G didn't

I said more goals.

Why does everything need to be explained here at infant levels?

maybe not !

prettyboy81

ntlbell wrote: »

it's around 100 more :rolleyes:

contribute man.

I have made my contribution...where as you threw out a nice rounded number of 100 & have not elaborated or checked this figure.

Make an effort man!

ntlbell

prettyboy81 wrote: »

I have made my contribution...where as you threw out a nice rounded number of 100 & have not elaborated or checked this figure.

Make an effort man!

because i wasn't expecting the Spanish inquisition.

lampard scored more than stevie G

fact.

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prettyboy81

ntlbell wrote: »

because i wasn't expecting the Spanish inquisition.

lampard scored more than stevie G

fact.

EOF

Okay RAFA...

Backstreet Moyes

From a neutrals point of view Gerrard any day of the week for me over Lampard. Up their with the best of them would have loved him at United. He should have moved on but fair play to him for sticking with Liverpool.

5starpool

ntlbell wrote: »

I thought he spent too much time kissing camera's very odd behavior for a captain.

Scousers either swear at them or kiss them it seems.

Kess73

ntlbell wrote: »

because i wasn't expecting the Spanish inquisition.

lampard scored more than stevie G

fact.

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No Monty Python gif from anybody?

Helix

not as good as lampard in his day

Sappy404

Kess73 wrote: »

No Monty Python gif from anybody?

Just read it, was scrolling down looking for it hoping nobody else noticed so I could post one, then you went and wrecked it Kess

Back on topic, who would have thought this thread would devolve into a Liverpool vs Man United p!ssing contest!? I'm shocked.

kingshankly

Gerrard was in his prime the total all round footballer and had it all.
I know Haman was brilliant when he came on in the champions league final but it was gerrard who dragged us into that game and was outstanding when moved to left full
He had it all vision pace stamina shooting ability could head and tackle and there was times at Liverpool he got on the end of his own crosse.
The man was an inspiration and still is (not as much) and is still one of the best finishers in the premier league.
How people can say he wasn't world class beggars belief

Luap

Ohhhhh Ya Beautyyyy!!!!


What a hit son.


Bring back Andy Gray! :P

applehunter

Key player for Liverpool in winning a Champions League.

Scored some spectacular goals throughout his career. This glossed over other deficiencies.

Would prefer a Scholes, Keane, Viera in my midfield but no shame coming in just behind them.

Guy:Incognito

ntlbell wrote: »

I think there's about 100 goals in the difference, for a start...

Lampard and Gerrard have played around 580 games for Chelsea and Liverpool respctively and Lampard has 36 goals more going from stats on the teams sites.

From what I can find onine Lampard has 24 goals from about 130 games for West Ham too. Lampard i salso 2 years older.

ntlbell wrote: »

it's around 100 more :rolleyes:

contribute man.

60 with 2 more years of games is not "around 100"

applehunter wrote: »

Would prefer a Scholes, Keane, Viera in my midfield but no shame coming in just behind them.

To do what job though? Gerrard and Scholes are differnt type of player to Keane and Viera. If it's a goalscoring midfielder you need Keane or Viera wont be much use to you. Gerrard and Scholes both have about 3 times as many goals as the other 2 (Gerrards goals to game sratio is better).

bucketybuck

Gerrard is an apt companion topic to the "Myth of Cantona" thread. Looked at dispassionately, they will be judged very similiarly. Both fantastic players, neither one of the "greatest ever" players, but both undeniably the greatest influences for their respective teams.

I believe Fergie is quoted back in the day as saying he would love to sign the young Stevie Gerrard, and as a Utd fan he was easily the opposition player I would most have liked to have seen join the club, where I think he would have picked up the baton from the aging Keane back in the mid 2000's.

He was not the complete midfielder, he was no Keane or Viera, but like Cantona he did dominate games to the extent that a team with Gerrard could never be taken lightly.

Its such a pity that no England manager had the balls to drop either Gerrard or Lampard. They hamstrung that group of players and got nowhere because of it.

Royal Legend

Personally I think Gerrard thinks that he is a central mid fielder when he is not. I think he had it in his head that it was his best position, it never was. Rafa proved that Gerrards best position was right side midfield, he scored more goals in that position then he ever did in the centre and if you watch his play lately, his crossing from the right hand side is as good as Beckhams ever was in his prime.

Will I Amnt

Always admired Gerrard for his ability to grab a game by the scruff and just turn it Liverpools way.
Devastatingly effective when deployed in his best position and made the players around him better.
The majority of Liverpools recent successes would not have come about without him.

Brain Stroking

kingshankly wrote: »

Gerrard was in his prime the total all round footballer and had it all.
I know Haman was brilliant when he came on in the champions league final but it was gerrard who dragged us into that game and was outstanding when moved to left full
He had it all vision pace stamina shooting ability could head and tackle and there was times at Liverpool he got on the end of his own crosse.
The man was an inspiration and still is (not as much) and is still one of the best finishers in the premier league.
How people can say he wasn't world class beggars belief

I would have expected with a username like that you would know what a total all round footballer was. Gerrard was a very good player but was mentally and tactically suspect.

As Johnny Giles said: "Steven Gerrard is not a great midfielder. He is a midfielder that can do great things".

Sums it up perfectly in my opinion

niallo27

Brain Stroking wrote: »

I would have expected with a username like that you would know what a total all round footballer was. Gerrard was a very good player but was mentally and tactically suspect.

As Johnny Giles said: "Steven Gerrard is not a great midfielder. He is a midfielder that can do great things".

Sums it up perfectly in my opinion

How can a player constantly be able to do great things without being a great player.

citytillidie

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Lampard and Gerrard have played around 580 games for Chelsea and Liverpool respctively and Lampard has 36 goals more going from stats on the teams sites.

From what I can find onine Lampard has 24 goals from about 130 games for West Ham too. Lampard i salso 2 years older.



60 with 2 more years of games is not "around 100"




To do what job though? Gerrard and Scholes are differnt type of player to Keane and Viera. If it's a goalscoring midfielder you need Keane or Viera wont be much use to you. Gerrard and Scholes both have about 3 times as many goals as the other 2 (Gerrards goals to game sratio is better).

Lampard was also the main pen taker for Chelsea, Gerard only became main pen taker after Fowler, Gary Mc and Owen left Liverpool

steelcityblues

niallo27 wrote: »

How can a player constantly be able to do great things without being a great player.

Johnny Giles isn't a sensible pundit, but he is a pundit who can say sensible things!

darced

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Brain Stroking

niallo27 wrote: »

How can a player constantly be able to do great things without being a great player.

You inserted the word "constantly" there.

monkey9

I've loved Steven Gerrard's work these past fourteen years!!

niallo27

Brain Stroking wrote: »

You inserted the word "constantly" there.

Yes would you not agree, he had constantly produced moments of brilliance down the years, what about the mental side of his game you were on about.