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You're all Transgender hens until Proven Otherwise!!
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pickarooney wrote: »I presume the 'hen' thing is simply introducing a third person singular neutral pronoun (in addition to 'han' and 'hon') to avoid having to say he/sh, (s)he, it, they or whatever convoluted way it's done now? We could all do with one of those, surely?
But... aren't hens female?
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Not really Links. It's a very complicated issue that you're a woman with male genitalia who is going out with another woman with male genitalia. Physically, it's got to be difficult to be attracted to that because if you fancy women, then it breaks all the rules.
It's not complicated or difficult to me. I am attracted to my girlfriend and I love her very much, as the song says, always should be someone you really love.
When did special terminology start to be assigned to "ordinary people" (sorry if that's offensive)
since forever? it's why we have terminology like gay and straight, instead of gay and "ordinary people"0 -
no bother, just talk amongst yourselves there.
ahh im not really talking, just waiting around til AH rolls around to catholic church bashing again, transgenderism seem to be the threads du jour lately... :rolleyes:
meh, might as well stay on topic and ask why nobody seems to have considered that the child in the spiderman costume might just be a girl too?
i happen to agree though with other posters that say forcing their own ideas of what THEY think society SHOULD be on children, is just as bad as gender role stereotyping.
a little more tolerance on both sides of the debate would be great, rather than being told to go off and read tomes of somebody else's opinion on the subject, i'd rather see it explained in terms the average person can understand, as opposed to a psychoanalytical dissection of the subject, where people like myself, who would be considered of average intelligence, did not feel like they were being patronised by those who think their opinion is somehow "more valid" in the discussion.
valid as it may be, due to their accumulation of knowledge, or experience on the subject, it doesn't give anyone the right to look down on or dismiss others who are not as knowledgeable on the subject.
if you are trying to educate people, you need to come down to their level, not expect them to come up to yours, that is how teachers educate children, unless now we want to to start teaching young children algebra without them having a grasp of the basics first?0 -
It's nothing to do with perception. A relationship involves sex which is basic human nature. Not having the correct sexual organs for your gender is a massive thing to deal with. Disregarding if links is in this situation, she is attracted to women and I don't see how sexually she can be attracted to a penis if she doesn't like them.Actually it's your perception which makes it complicated.
From Links's point of view, her partner is as female as any other. Therefore there's no reason why there needs to be a "special case" made for her partner.
It's only your own perceptions which make you think that Links's partner is "less" female than another.
No it's not. It's like asking a man to dump his gf to go out with a trans and forget about the meat and two veg.A close approximation of what you're saying would be like asking a man why he's going out with his current girlfriend when he could have one with bigger tits and more curves? Or asking a woman why she's with her current boyfriend when she could get a taller and stronger one?
Well that's not true now, because it seems that hardly anyone has heard of cisgender. Even spell check doesn't recognise it as a wordsince forever? it's why we have terminology like gay and straight, instead of gay and "ordinary people" 0 -
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meh, might as well stay on topic and ask why nobody seems to have considered that the child in the spiderman costume might just be a girl too?
Ah, now there's a thought. Maybe, rather than a boy in a spiderman costume pushing a pram, we're looking at a girl pushing a pram in a spiderman costume.
Is that as grotesque a prospect to drunkmonkey and chums, or is it only the first scenario that spells the demise of civilisation as we know it?0 -
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It's not complicated or difficult to me. I am attracted to my girlfriend and I love her very much, as the song says, always should be someone you really love.
I know love your gal but put her to one side for a minute. I'm going to presume you still have your 3 piece suite. Are you as attracted to Women as you are to transgender Women?0 -
people aren't just walking penises or vaginas
I know, but I'm talking about sexual attraction. Someone can be female but with male genitalia and that's fine with me but I'd never be sexually attracted to them because they have a penis and I want them to have a vagina because that's what I'm attracted to! 0 -
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When you see an attractive woman on the street, do you ask her to lift her dress so you can do a wee-wee check, or do you automatically feel that tingle anyway without knowing whether or not she actually has the appropriate facilities?I know, but I'm talking about sexual attraction. Someone can be female but with male genitalia and that's fine with me but I'd never be sexually attracted to them because they have a penis and I want them to have a vagina because that's what I'm attracted to!
Sure, once you see the three buddies you will lose your attraction, but the fact that you will feel the attraction without knowing whether or not they exist pours cold water on your, "I'm only sexually attracted to vaginas" theory. The sexual attraction precedes the vagina.0 -
When you see an attractive woman on the street, do you ask her to lift her dress so you can do a wee-wee check, or do you automatically feel that tingle anyway without knowing whether or not she actually has the appropriate facilities?
Sure, once you see the three buddies you will lose your attraction, but the fact that you will feel the attraction without knowing whether or not they exist pours cold water on your, "I'm only sexually attracted to vaginas" theory. The sexual attraction precedes the vagina.
interesting sig you have there seamus considering your post! 0 -
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ahh im not really talking, just waiting around til AH rolls around to catholic church bashing again, transgenderism seem to be the threads du jour lately... :rolleyes:
meh, might as well stay on topic and ask why nobody seems to have considered that the child in the spiderman costume might just be a girl too?
i happen to agree though with other posters that say forcing their own ideas of what THEY think society SHOULD be on children, is just as bad as gender role stereotyping.
a little more tolerance on both sides of the debate would be great, rather than being told to go off and read tomes of somebody else's opinion on the subject, i'd rather see it explained in terms the average person can understand, as opposed to a psychoanalytical dissection of the subject, where people like myself, who would be considered of average intelligence, did not feel like they were being patronised by those who think their opinion is somehow "more valid" in the discussion.
valid as it may be, due to their accumulation of knowledge, or experience on the subject, it doesn't give anyone the right to look down on or dismiss others who are not as knowledgeable on the subject.
if you are trying to educate people, you need to come down to their level, not expect them to come up to yours, that is how teachers educate children, unless now we want to to start teaching young children algebra without them having a grasp of the basics first?
I think there have been at least six if not seven people who have spoken from their own experience as transgender or gender queer here, both male and female. That's more trans then I have ever even met in real life. That's more information than most of us will get direct from the horses mouth practically anywhere online in this country at least. This really should be acknowledged.
I've shared my own personal story. I don't do that very often. It's so difficult if you can't see it for yourself to try and express it in a way that makes sense to you. But it really is so much simpler than anyone is giving credit for.
Biological sex and gender are two different things, and that's all it comes down to. I know someone earlier was able to get a grip on this by differentiating between gender and gender roles, and if that helps then ok.
Your sex, your biological sex is determined by what is between your legs.
Your gender (identity) is not what you are but who you are.
I understand that people think it's natural for men to want to build things or break things and for women to want to be in the kitchen making sandwiches but they really are socially constructed gender roles. People just do not want to accept that but then society doesn't want people confusing the system that they feel already works for them.
Truth is that all of us have elements of both male and female, masculine and feminine. They are just words we use to define particular qualities.
some of us are just more aware of ourselves than others.in ancient Hinduism, that each human carries within himself both female and male components, which are forces rather than sexes, and it is the harmony between the creative and the annihilative, the strong and the soft, the proactive and the passive, that makes a true person. Such thought, leave alone entail gender equality, in fact obliterates any material distinction between the male and female altogether.0 -
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