Saler bull: LZR - easy on heifers?

SoJoMo

Hi Folks
I'm looking for any experiences with the Saler bull LZR.
Our Hereford stock bull daughters(heifers 21-23 months old) are being kept as replacements and so I phoned the local AI man for an easy calving Saler bull.
So he recomended and came with LZR straws. All fine but now when I look at this bull stats I find that he is in no way an easy calver and not recommended for heifers.
ICBF:
Calving Diff %
PDrelStar within breedStar across breed% Rank within% Rank across6.296****143
Munster AI:
Rank =1% ,Star Rating within breed = ★ Calving Diff (% 3 or 4)
6.17%
Data reliability = 95%
Star rating accross breeds = ★★★ Rank 41%


So does anyone out there know anything about this bull in relation to calving in general and calving from heifers in particular.
I'm getting a bit concerned that the heifer will have problems calving in 8 months time.
Cheers

S

49801

think they'll be grand myself up to the 6/7% mark.

I know there will be plenty ppl that will say only put 2-3% on them.

our new stock lm bull has a rating of 5.56% and I've put him on our retained SAx hiefers to start calving down at 20months.

Bodacious

49801 wrote: »

think they'll be grand myself up to the 6/7% mark.

I know there will be plenty ppl that will say only put 2-3% on them.

our new stock lm bull has a rating of 5.56% and I've put him on our retained SAx hiefers to start calving down at 20months.

I'd use him on heifers as long as they good size and well managed nutrition wise on the few months leading into calving they ll be sound, he may be bit harder than other Salers as he is bigger but Saler still a very easy calving in general breed so you'll be grand I'd say

SoJoMo

Thanks Lads

49801 -
calving at 20 months ... wow, I just couldnt do that ...would it not stunt their growth?

Bodacious -
heifers are "reasonable" size but getting fat. I've never done the restricted diet thing before as all animals get (ad-lib) mostly hay with cows also getting a bit of baled silage.

So what does a healthy restricted diet consist of? How do I know the minimum they need to survive without affecting the health of the calf? And would this not stunt the growth of the calf after its born?

49801

SoJoMo wrote: »

Thanks Lads

49801 -
calving at 20 months ... wow, I just couldnt do that ...would it not stunt their growth?

big cows have big mouths to feed;)

ok it might be more like 22months.
Trying to give them plenty time so they go incalf in synch with the herd for 2nd calving.
That is only every picking animals with at least 350kg at bulling. So they are the best of our hiefers.
Had a look at the ones we discounted in Jan and I still would not bull them. havn't got the hips:pac:.

mentioned on here before we've had an accident with a sub 18 mth hiefer calving in feb. got a fair shock. mother and calf doing just fine

teaserbull

Haven't heard any issues with him calving, LZR is supposed to be doing very well over in france esp his females, which was surprising as his sire "The" never really did much, best salers bull in Progressive anyway!

New bull in Eurogene, Drumlegagh Dennis? and or alternatively use female sexed semen "whitebog convener" on the heifers?

The salers heifer weanlings are a disaster for coming into heat so young....we'done calve at 18 months too :-/ trouble free though!

SoJoMo

Cheers Lads, I feel a bit better now!