Fiscal Treaty Megathread [Poll Reset]

humanji

EURATS wrote: »

No it won't. It will mean our kids will be allowed eat dinosaurs

Either way it's bad for our childrens diet!

humanji

EURATS wrote: »

I see. So it's all lies?

Well, yes. At what point did you vote yes for all of that? And how can they be certain that a no vote is doing it right?

EURATS

humanji wrote: »

EURATS wrote: »

No it won't. It will mean our kids will be allowed eat dinosaurs

Either way it's bad for our childrens diet!

Well my kid loves meat so he won't be complaining

--Kaiser--

EURATS wrote: »

I see. So it's all lies?

Nothing in that picture has anything to do with the Treaty

jluv

humanji wrote: »

But that's the problem. If you don't know what you'er voting on, then you are effectively flipping a coin. Now, I think everyone can agree that the information on this treaty was a joke from all sides. But the information was out there. And even if someone doesn't get all the info, but gets enough to come to a conclusion, then that's a good reason to vote.

If they still have no idea on what they are voting on, then there simply isn't a reason for them to vote. It serves no purpose but to skew the result. And it's also pretty insulting to those who made an effort.

Information on this treaty was out there but a joke:eek: But my point is if a person knows nothing or everything,they still have the right to vote whether you like it or not.My initial reaction was to someone saying don't vote. Not really their place to say.We're all entitled to a vote(over 18) and entitled to use as we see fit.I would see it as insulting to take that right away:)

EURATS

humanji wrote: »

EURATS wrote: »

I see. So it's all lies?

Well, yes. At what point did you vote yes for all of that? And how can they be certain that a no vote is doing it right?

There isn't any point discussing it if u feel it is ALL lies. Blatantly not a true statement.
Nothing is certain in this life, apart from death.

hooradiation

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

#

Exact same thing can be said for most of the yes voters.

unsurprisingly, not being a massive fuckup transcends the YES/NO divide.

K-9

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Sh1te. What he suggested was allowing banks time to meet their creditors and agree that there's simply no money in the kitty to pay huge banking debts.

The banks were given this time, they never did that.

How could McWilliams have known that? Has he sooth saying powers or something?

humanji

jluv wrote: »

Information on this treaty was out there but a joke:eek: But my point is if a person knows nothing or everything,they still have the right to vote whether you like it or not.My initial reaction was to someone saying don't vote. Not really their place to say.We're all entitled to a vote(over 18) and entitled to use as we see fit.I would see it as insulting to take that right away:)

But the right isn't being taken away. It's that the person with that right is abusing that right. The right comes with responsibilities. If people ignore those responsibilities then they really should forfeit that right. Since it's not our place to take away someones right, they should be urged to exercise that right with all the responsibilities it entails and if they refuse then it's not surprising that they would be urged not to abuse what has been gifted to them. Or we're left doing what we normally do and look out for only our own interests, and look where that's gotten us.

humanji

EURATS wrote: »

There isn't any point discussing it if u feel it is ALL lies. Blatantly not a true statement.
Nothing is certain in this life, apart from death.

Well, which bit is true? We never voted on any of those things as far as I can recall.

jluv

Akrasia wrote: »

While people shouldn't be told that they can not vote,
Neither should they be told that they have a moral obligation to vote

There are a lot of people out there that have absolutely no idea what way they should vote, but are being told that if they don't vote, they are irresponsible.

Abstaining from a vote is a perfectly legitimate democratic decision if you do not have a preference one way or another.

I totally agree with this...If you don't want to vote or could care either way.Happy days...I know people like this. And they openly admit in conversations about politics/economy that they have no interest and are along for the ride..

Micky Dolenz

jluv wrote: »

I totally agree with this...If you don't want to vote or could care either way.Happy days...I know people like this. And they openly admit in conversations about politics/economy that they have no interest and are along for the ride..

But I bet they still bitch and moan about the state of the country, politicians, etc.

EURATS

humanji wrote: »

EURATS wrote: »

There isn't any point discussing it if u feel it is ALL lies. Blatantly not a true statement.
Nothing is certain in this life, apart from death.

Well, which bit is true? We never voted on any of those things as far as I can recall.

Well true, your observation is correct in so far as they didn't vote for any of those specifically. They were however promises that the FG/Lab voters sucked in and swallowed. I suppose they overlooked this while they focused on their main objective of punishing FF.

Amirani

It's a shame the Advertising Standards Authority or an alternative body don't police the putting up of incorrect and scaremongering election/referendums posters.

jluv

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

But I bet they still bitch and moan about the state of the country, politicians, etc.

No. That was the point. They will openly admit that they can't complain as they do not take an interest or vote. Most not registered. Can't understand it myself but thats their right..

Daniel S

Any links for an unbiased review of the referendum? I'll I can find is scaremongering and I really haven't the time right now to look into it any further?

squod

THE DUBLIN Docklands Development Authority should be scrapped. The Herald today reveals the extent of the spending decisions made by the authority without proper governance rules.

The revelations are contained in a new Comptroller & Auditor General Report, which found that six payments, totalling more than €300,000, were made without proper tender processes.

Contracts worth €1.2m were awarded without being advertised.

Incredibly, the DDDA did not inform the Government that it had joined in on a controversial €412m deal to buy the Irish Glass Bottle site in Ringsend, without commissioning a valuation.

The decision has left the Irish taxpayer with a bill of €360m.

In the wake of today's revelations Environment Minister Phil Hogan has no choice but to the axe this quango.

As we continue to pay the DDDA's bill, however, one can only hope lessons will be learned.

This what the fiscal compact means to our government. Absolutely nothing.


31 May 2012. Never forget.

dvpower

EURATS wrote: »

Well true, your observation is correct in so far as they didn't vote for any of those specifically. They were however promises that the FG/Lab voters sucked in and swallowed. I suppose they overlooked this while they focused on their main objective of punishing FF.

"No jobs, emigration, pay cuts, hospital cuts, pay back bankers debts, higher taxes, service charges, higher fuel prices, everything that has gone wrong."

When did anyone vote Yes for any of that?
And how does voting No in this referendum effect any of it?

This is a stupid poster aimed at the gullible.

Amirani

Daniel S wrote: »

Any links for an unbiased review of the referendum? I'll I can find is scaremongering and I really haven't the time right now to look into it any further?

Best source IMO: http://www.referendum2012.ie/

dvpower

NiallSparky wrote: »

Best source IMO: http://www.referendum2012.ie/

There was a good video posted earlier in the thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78926665&postcount=920

SafeSurfer

humanji wrote: »

Voting no will mean allowing dinosaurs to eat your children.

No side counters with Dinosaurs have been extinct for 65 million years. Dont believe the scare tactics of the yes side.

Daniel S

NiallSparky wrote: »

Best source IMO: http://www.referendum2012.ie/

That makes me want to vote yes, but why is everyone saying vote no then?

EURATS

dvpower wrote: »

EURATS wrote: »

Well true, your observation is correct in so far as they didn't vote for any of those specifically. They were however promises that the FG/Lab voters sucked in and swallowed. I suppose they overlooked this while they focused on their main objective of punishing FF.

"No jobs, emigration, pay cuts, hospital cuts, pay back bankers debts, higher taxes, service charges, higher fuel prices, everything that has gone wrong."

When did anyone vote Yes for any of that?
And how does voting No in this referendum effect any of it?

This is a stupid poster aimed at the gullible.

That's not on the poster. And FG have performed miserably on Behalf of the nation. Simple as

jluv

humanji wrote: »

Then you don't understand the right to vote or why you have the right or possibly even how it was achieved in the first place, which is a very sorry state of affairs.

I have the right to vote because I'm an Irish citizen. Any other Irish citizen or anyone else does not have the right to tell me not to vote.They do however have the right to disagree with how I vote.The right to be condesending I'm not sure about:rolleyes:

Dempsey

Alot of people I know who voted yes to every EU treaty I can remember are finally voting no today. Just thinking about it there, I've never voted in favour of an EU treaty.

EURATS

Dempsey wrote: »

Alot of people I know who voted yes to every EU treaty I can remember are finally voting no today. Just thinking about it there, I've never voted in favour of an EU treaty.

Thumbs up to u from me Dempsey!!!

Amirani

Daniel S wrote: »

That makes me want to vote yes, but why is everyone saying vote no then?

Some people are genuinely worried about giving more powers to Brussels. Others are just fooled by the sensationalist propaganda.

Forest Demon

No from all my family. I only wish I could have voted twice.

Joshua J

A lot of elitist snobs in this thread. Good enough reason to vote no I reakon.

DrumSteve

Forest Demon wrote: »

No from all my family. I only wish I could have voted twice.

Vote early and vote often.