Fiscal Treaty Megathread [Poll Reset]

SafeSurfer

humanji wrote: »

Then you don't understand the right to vote or why you have the right or possibly even how it was achieved in the first place, which is a very sorry state of affairs.

I studied history and politics at university for 4 years so I think I have a reasonable grasp of both the struggle for suffrage and the motives behind it.

If you have anything to add to my understanding then please share.

Amirani

Joshua J wrote: »

A lot of elitist snobs in this thread. Good enough reason to vote no I reakon.

Oh dear.

gerryo777

I see they're denying that Spain will not need and are not in discussions about requiring a 'bailout', does that sound familiar folks?

Remember if Spain go, Italy will probably follow and that will take care of all the funds in the proposed ESM.

There will be nothing in the pot for little Ireland and we will have to stump up our circa €11 billion sooner rather than later.

Vote NO people, it's going to cost us!

Things are changing by the minute.

K-9

Joshua J wrote: »

A lot of elitist snobs in this thread. Good enough reason to vote no I reakon.

gurramok

jluv wrote: »

I have the right to vote because I'm an Irish citizen. Any other Irish citizen or anyone else does not have the right to tell me not to vote.

Foreigners residing here not having the right to vote. Its a racist referendum :pac:

cherryghost

The amount of users misinformed yet voting anyways to 'stick it to the man' is shocking.

dvpower

gurramok wrote: »

Foreigners residing here not having the right to vote. Its a racist referendum :pac:

What? Not even our German overlords? Something wrong there.:eek:

goat2

are there a big percentage turning out to vote,

DEFTLEFTHAND

All Yes in this house.

My name is URL

goat2 wrote: »

are there a big percentage turning out to vote,

No. Probably as low a turnout as I've ever seen. Was at 8% at 4pm at my polling station.

DEFTLEFTHAND

goat2 wrote: »

are there a big percentage turning out to vote,

I heard it was very slow this morning but has picked up considerably in the last hour or so with people stopping off to vote on their way home from work

TheSpecialOne

Just in from Voting 'No' along with the two other eligible voters in the House! Low Turnout is good for 'No' side but not for the country...everyone should vote regardless of Yes, No Or spoiled vote!

Battered Mars Bar

Great victory to the no campaign Intelligence prevails.

*I'm aware this isn't the official result let alone polling not finished yet before someone states the bleeding obvious*

But well done to the no campaign.

SafeSurfer

cherryghost wrote: »

The amount of users misinformed yet voting anyways to 'stick it to the man' is shocking.

People have different motivations for the way they vote but all are equally legitimate.

For example, one woman I spoke to is voting no because she feels that if the referendum is defeated some of the blame will be placed on Enda Kenny and his refusal to debate the merits of the treaty. This in her opinion would lead to Kenny being replaced with a leader of more ability who would be prepared to negotiate in the best interests of Irish citizens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsmVjulsbac

goat2

i know he did get up a lot of peoples noses, when he told some protester to get a job or something like that, the man he said it to was a self employed person, who had paid plenty tax over the years and now is tight on work and money, there was no bit of humanity in the way he dealt with that person, but then again why would there be, he has a fine wage and none of our problems of barly scraping to live in these times

ninebeanrows

Haven't heard any good reason to vote no to the actual treaty itself. Lots of people voting no for lots of misguided and just ignorant reasons. The actual treaty is very simple. Vote no to it if you don't want budget resrtictions enforced by Europe + no involvement in ESM fund. Vote Yes if you want budget deficit restrictions + involvement in ESM. I'd take honest objections here but people aren't voting no on the basis of the treaty, which is stupid and careless.

ninebeanrows

practice wrote: »

With the likes of Phil Hogan, Alan Shatter, Eamon Gilmore telling me to vote yes I guess the only way to vote is NO

With Gerry Adams telling me to vote no....... It would make me sprint to the polling station to vote yes!!;)

Joshua J

Weathercheck wrote: »

Haven't heard any good reason to vote no to the actual treaty itself. Lots of people voting no for lots of misguided and just ignorant reasons. The actual treaty is very simple. Vote no to it if you don't want budget resrtictions enforced by Europe + no involvement in ESM fund. Vote Yes if you want budget deficit restrictions + involvement in ESM. I'd take honest objections here but people aren't voting no on the basis of the treaty, which is stupid and careless.

Please be no. Please be no......

*Crosses fingers*

SafeSurfer

Weathercheck wrote: »

With Gerry Adams telling me to vote no....... It would make me sprint to the polling station to vote yes!!;)

You completely contradict your previous post with this!

Iwasfrozen

Daniel S wrote: »

That makes me want to vote yes, but why is everyone saying vote no then?

Because you've read it wrong.

drdeadlift

Weathercheck wrote: »

With Gerry Adams telling me to vote no....... It would make me sprint to the polling station to vote yes!!;)

Will it rain on Sunday?

Snugglebuggle

Quick question, I put a tick instead of an x on my vote, does that mean my vote is spoiled?

My name is URL

Snugglebuggle wrote: »

Quick question, I put a tick instead of an x on my vote, does that mean my vote is spoiled?

Depends on whether or not the person counting votes in your area is an imbecile

But nah, it'll most likely be counted as a legitimate vote.

Daniel S

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Because you've read it wrong.

Okay, why should I vote no?

It put restrictions on our ****ty government (who will always be ****ty because anyone intelligent enough would not run for election in Ireland) to make sure they behave. I can't see anything wrong with that. I'd support a federal state of Europe ("United States of Europe" etc) because we won't be able to compete with larger markets in the future otherwise. IMO anyway.

But back on point, why should I vote no?

Amirani

Snugglebuggle wrote: »

Quick question, I put a tick instead of an x on my vote, does that mean my vote is spoiled?

I believe in this scenario that they assume you meant the alternative option. Hence if you voted yes, they'll assume you meant no and vice versa.

My name is URL

NiallSparky wrote: »

I believe in this scenario that they assume you meant the alternative option. Hence if you voted yes, they'll assume you meant no and vice versa.

What makes you think that? If you tick the Yes box, how in the name of jaysus could that be taken up as a No vote?

ninebeanrows

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You completely contradict your previous post with this!

No I don't! In the future we should aim to have limited budget deficits and I want access to ESM = Vote Yes

Gerry Adams voting no = Vote Yes

ninebeanrows

My name is URL wrote: »

What makes you think that? If you tick the Yes box, how in the name of jaysus could that be taken up as a No vote?

He is telling porkies, tick, x or y or a decent mark in the box and it counts

Amirani

My name is URL wrote: »

What makes you think that? If you tick the Yes box, how in the name of jaysus could that be taken up as a No vote?

EURATS

Weathercheck wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You completely contradict your previous post with this!

No I don't! In the future we should aim to have limited budget deficits and I want access to ESM = Vote Yes

Gerry Adams voting no = Vote Yes

I suppose you are anti Eamonn Gilmore as well. He was official SF in his younger days!!!!!